Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

Jesus is the SON OF God.
NOT Father God Himself.

These are statements that Jesus made which show His subserviance and obedience to the Father.

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28 & John 10:29

14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17

Matthew 26:36-42

36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Mark 14:32-39

32 And they came to a place which was named Gethsemane: and he saith to his disciples, Sit ye here, while I shall pray.
33 And he taketh with him Peter and James and John, and began to be sore amazed, and to be very heavy;
34 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
39 And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words.

John 17

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...the Father SENT me 47 verses in the 4 Gospels
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.


...I give THANKS to the Father. Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21 & John 11:41-42

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.


Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.


...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Acts 1:7 Jesus speaking

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.


...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:61-62

64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 14

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.


Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

That's NOT Jesus speaking.

Here's what Jesus says.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father,

Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

ANOTHER translation

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

"Master" is easily seen as "creator" of heaven and earth.

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You just love making strawman arguments eh? She never said Jesus is the Father.

You keep trying to make this a battle between Jesus and the Father but it's really about Jesus and your "third entity".

The Father SENDS the Holy Spirt.
That shows both authority AND power over him / it.

Until YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND that the Father is THE SOURCE of ALL Power AND Glory.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father,

Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Another translation.

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

"creator of heaven and earth"

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Oh, another part of Scripture you deny.

The Bible says "God created everything through Jesus".

TLS says "not so".

The Bible does not teach that the Power of God is the Father.

Many verses show that the Power of the Father is the Holy Spirit, and Christ, but not the Father.

Jesus is still the source of creation (He's the Spirit).

You keep attacking the air.

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

YOU don't understand the difference between Jesus' OWN WORDS and the words of others.



ALL of creation was INITIATED BY the Father.

NOPE

You keep DENYING WHAT Jesus SAYS.

It's your PAULINE crap that gets you acting stupid.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Another translation.

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

Again, John 1:3
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.


Not even denying that creation comes from the Father, but Jesus is the creator Spirit, through whom God created everything.

Yep:

John 1:3
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.


He's the source of creation. (The Spirit).

Really?

Scriptural FACTS.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENT the Holy Spirit.

"SENDING" takes authority AND POWER.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Another translation.

25 Answering at that time, Yahshua
said, I praise You, Father, Master of
Heaven and of earth, because You hid
these things from the sophisticated
and intelligent and revealed them to
babes.

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Really?

Scriptural FACTS.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENT the Holy Spirit.

"SENDING" takes authority AND POWER.

No one is denying that the Father sends Jesus (the Spirit).

Only 1 Mediator TLS...

Scriptural FACTS.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENT the Holy Spirit.

"SENDING" takes authority AND POWER.

John 16

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of
truth, is come, he will guide you into all
truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he
speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine,
and shall shew it unto you.


7. Jesus said the Father will send "ANOTHER Helper". That's IN ADDITION to Jesus being with the Apostles.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 1:3
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.


The Bible isn't wrong.

Strawman.

Never denied the Father sends Jesus (the Spirit).

Mediator

Synonyms from my Oxford "Quick Reference thesaurus":

•conciliator
•go-between
•intercessor
•intermediary
•middleman

If you SAY Jesus is the ONE Mediator but low-key BELIEVE in a "third entity" who "goes between" us, Jesus, and the Father, then you're a liar.

What part of "ONE MEDIATOR" don't you understand?

Hebrews 3:1 (KJV)
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Definition of Apostle according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament:

“a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.”

It sure is funny how the vast majority of other translations - done by NUMEROUS folks over the centuries - disagree with your "reading".

Jesus CLEARLY states that He sits "ON the right hand OF power"..."OF God".

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

More translations "Sitting on" "sitting at" or "seated at"

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Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

More translations "Sat at" "sat down at" "sat down on"

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Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

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Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

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YOU claim that Jesus / Holy Spirit IS power.

Jesus was GIVEN power. BY the Father.

Father God SENT Jesus. (47 times in the 4 Gospels)
Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28
Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50
Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22
Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18
Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10
Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18
Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17
Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2
Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18
Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49
Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35
Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33
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Father God GAVE Jesus the power to raise Lazarus. John 11

-Jesus said "thank you Father for hearing me". Hearing what?
...It's obvious that Jesus ASKED the Father for the power to RAISE Lazarus.

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Father God (and Jesus) created man - "Let us make man in OUR image". Genesis 1:26

Father God SENDS the Holy Spirit.

SENDING requires AUTHORITY AND POWER.

Are you seeing the pattern here yet???

Father God rained fire and brimstone on Sodom & Gomorrah.
Father God caused the plagues in Egypt.
Father God parted the Red Sea.
Father God sent "fire from heaven" to devour Elijah's offering.

and God said..."Let there be light".

That IS power!!!!

Jesus is the Holy Spirit (the Power of God).

The Father *IS NOT* the Holy Spirit (the Power of God).

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

Scriptural FACTS.

The Father SENT Jesus.
The Father SENT the Holy Spirit.

"SENDING" takes authority AND POWER.

The Father IS God.

The Father IS the SOURCE of POWER.

The Photine Bible - Jesus speaks about blasphemy

PHOTINE Matthew 12

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:

but the blasphemy against Holy Spirit Jesus the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of God Jesus Son of man,

it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh

against Holy Spirit Jesus the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,

neither in this world, neither in the world to come.