Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.

Jesus said He was SENT by the Father 47 times in the KJV.
Count them.

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1. Did God SEND God? NOPE.

God SENT His only begotten SON.

2. The Lord's Prayer is addressed TO THE Father - the "living God" - the "only true God" that Jesus declares in John 17:3.

NOT to Jesus.

3. Jesus NEVER said "I am God".

With John 20:17, that means that the verse of "before Abraham, I am" means that Jesus EXISTED BEFORE Abraham.

4. Jesus PRAYED TO the Father several times.

Does God PRAY to Himself?

NOPE.

But the "Faithful and True" SON of God did.

NEED I GO ON????

So WHAT?

Jesus is STILL GOD. The Holy Spirit (THE WORD) IS GOD.

Your "doctrine" OVERLOOKS the majority of scripture that says Jesus is the SON OF God.



5. "Sending" requires authority.

The Father has AUTHORITY OVER the SON.

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1. Jesus prays to the Father.
...Father God doesn't pray to anyone.

2. Jesus gives thanks to the Father.
...The Father doens't give thanks to anyone.

3. Jesus states that He learned from the Father.
...Father God NEVER had to learn.

4. Jesus states that the Father TOLD Him what to say.
...NO ONE tells the Father what to say.

5. Jesus states that the Father is GREATER than He is.
...NO ONE is greater than Father God.

6. Jesus states that "only the Father is good".

7. Jesus states that only the Father knows WHEN Jesus will return.
...The Father's WILL is what is to be done - by HIS time table.

8. Jesus states that He sits at the Father's right hand - "the right hand of power".
...The Father is the source of all power and authority.

9. Jesus states that the Father SENT Him.
...Father God doesn't get "sent" by anyone.

10. Jesus states that He was WITH the Father before the world was created.

11. Jesus states that He was GIVEN power / authority over heaven and earth.
...Was Father God ever "given" power?

John 1:1 the Word was God.

Deal with it.

As IF I'm gonna even quote your garbage.

Go ahead and keep DENYING the Father as God.

Jeremiah 10:10 But the LORD (YHWH) is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1 Thessalonians 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

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John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

Oh so now I'm denying the Father too!

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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The Word was God. Jn 1:1.

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 06/28/2020 12:23 AM

Jesus' blood and body , his perfect human life are what speak, or mediate.

We read at Hebrews 9:15-17: “So that is why he [Christ] is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for their release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance. ... For where there is a covenant, the death of the [human] covenanter needs to be furnished.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

The Word (Jesus) was God. Jn 1:1

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

Word for word literal translation, indicates that the Word is not the God, Almighty trGod, but is a mighty one, a god.

Trinitarians seem to forget that even the judges of ancient Israel, who wielded great power in the nation, were called “gods.” [Ps 82:6; Joh 10:34, 35])
Actually, in the Greek text, the definite article ho, “the,” appears before the first “God,” but there is no article before the second.

So then Jesus is what, a false God?

Stop parroting JW.org chauchat

All the people you could have helped save instead of hinder from being saved..

Jesus = the Holy Spirit.

NO "third person".

ONE mediator between us and God

Judges 13:17-23

17Then Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes to pass?”

18“Why do you ask my name,” said the angel of the LORD, “since it is beyond comprehension?”

19Then Manoah took a young goat and a grain offering and offered them on a rock to the LORD. And as Manoah and his wife looked on, the LORD did a marvelous thing. 20When the flame went up from the altar to the sky, the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame.

When Manoah and his wife saw this, they fell facedown to the ground. 21And when the angel of the LORD did not appear again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it had been the angel of the LORD.

22“We are going to die,” he said to his wife, “for we have seen God!”

23But his wife replied, “If the LORD had intended to kill us, He would not have accepted the burnt offering and the grain offering from our hands, nor would He have shown us all these things or spoken to us this way.”

Ironic that you chose to leave OUT verse 16 - just before that.

Judges 13:16 16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah,
Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and
if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer
it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he
was an angel of the LORD.

I don’t think irony means what you think it means. But I understand your objection. There was no calculated effort to exclude verse 16, however. I began the excerpt at verse 17 because I was discussing ‘names’ in the context of divinity with someone I admire right before I posted.

Still, I’m not sure what verse 16 reveals that isn’t revealed in the verses I posted.

The verse clearly establishes that the angel DID NOT want honour / recognition. He claimed NO DIVINITY.

That's why the angel refused to give them his name.

Judges 13:16 16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah,

Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread:

and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering,

thou must offer it unto the LORD.

For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD.

I agree He did not (and does not) want honor or recognition in the form of any ritual or offering. I also agree He makes no claims to divinity. He does demonstrate His divinity, though. Right?

I disagree the reasoning for His refusal to give a name was about anything other than Him not having a name humans can comprehend.

NOPE.

Angels aren't divine. Holy yes. Divine - no.

Only the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are divine.

In theory - the "current" angels can rebel just like satan and the 200 did.