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 User ID: 77505643  United States12/18/2019 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Holy Spirit is the person of Jesus. Not the Father. You have to change the text to support your doctrine. Quoting: Photine 75598088 Yes, you changed the text to support your doctrine. LORD in all capital letters means Jehovah Usage. Using this template {{LORD}} gives "LORD", the standard translation with small capitals for the Hebrew name for God (the Tetragrammaton, , transliterated as YHWH) or Jehovah (English pronunciation), as it is translated in the King James Bible and other English Bibles: the LORD. Template:LORD - Wikipedia You substituted "Lord" for the all-caps "LORD",as it appears even in your posts immediately above on this same page of thread ! |
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User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ezekiel 37:14 Quoting: Photine 75598088 I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD. Ps 33:6 By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the Spirit of His mouth all their host. Ps 104:30 When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth. To wit ^ |
| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance , whatsoever I have said unto you. John 4:25-26 25The woman said to him, "I know that The Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things." 26Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He." |
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| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ezekiel 37:14 Quoting: Photine 75598088 I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD. Ps 33:6 By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the Spirit of His mouth all their host. Ps 104:30 When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth. To wit ^ "My Spirit" in Eze 37:14, ain't the Father as you are saying. It's the Word (Jesus). |
| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 8:42 "for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." John 15:26 "when the Comforter is come,...... the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father," Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old" Micah 5:2 "But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, Which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, Out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; Whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days." |
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User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Luke 23: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77543161 39:One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” 40:the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41:We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42:The he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43:Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise. In many modern languages, commas are used to convey or clarify the meaning of a sentence. But in the earliest available Greek manuscripts, punctuation was not consistently used. Thus, the question arises: Was Jesus saying, “I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise”? Or was he saying, “I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise”? Translators may insert a comma according to what they think that Jesus meant, and you can find either rendering in common Bible versions. How can we reason on what Jesus must have meant? Recall that Jesus had earlier told his followers: “The Son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.” He also said: “The Son of man is going to be betrayed into men’s hands, and they will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised up.” (Matt. 12:40; 16:21; 17:22, 23; Mark 10:34) The apostle Peter reports that this happened. (Acts 10:39, 40) So Jesus did not go to any Paradise on the day he and that criminal died. Jesus was “in the Grave [or “Hades”]” for days, until God resurrected him.— Acts 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he forsaken in the Grave nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore, because he was exalted to* the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ Jesus BODY was in the grave for 3 days. NOT His spirit. Father God gave Jesus a commandment to raise His OWN body. John 10 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Up to the time that Jesus spoke about the “other sheep” attempts had been made to take the life of this “fine shepherd.” But never did he do anything deserving of death at the hands of men. This explains why he said: “No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.”—John 10:18. I looked up that word translated "commandment" one time and, it seemed like "command" -as in a 'military command' Jesus had been given authority over- was the real sense that was meant to be conveyed. I know 1 peter 3 says- 18 For Christ died once for all time for sins,+ a righteous person for unrighteous ones,+ in order to lead you to God He was put to death in the flesh+ but made alive in the spirit.+ 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison,+ 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting* in Noah’s day,+ while the ark was being constructed,+ in which a few people, that is, eight souls,* were carried safely through the water.+ 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you (not by the removing of the filth of the flesh, but by the request to God for a good conscience),+ through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 22 He is at God’s right hand,+ for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.+ But I don't know if that means he was immediately alive in spirit form as soon he was put to death in the flesh, or not "until the 3rd day?" Either way seems fine to me. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77543161 United States12/18/2019 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jer 23:29 Quoting: Photine 75598088 Is not My Word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Daniel 2:34 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Psalm 72:4 He will bring justice to the poor of the people; He will save the children of the needy, And will break in pieces the oppressor. |
| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jer 23:29 Quoting: Photine 75598088 Is not My Word like a fire? saith the LORD? and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Daniel 2:34 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Psalm 72:4 He will bring justice to the poor of the people; He will save the children of the needy, And will break in pieces the oppressor.  |
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User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ezekiel 37:14 Quoting: Photine 75598088 I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD. Ps 33:6 By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the Spirit of His mouth all their host. Ps 104:30 When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth. To wit ^ "My Spirit" in Eze 37:14, ain't the Father as you are saying. Quoting: Photine 75598088 It's the Word (Jesus). No. You, yourself have copied LORD as it appears in the KJV, with all caps, signifying Eze 37:14 is one of the almost 7000 times the 'tetragrammaton' -in English, Jehovah- appeared in the original manuscripts. And I agree with this as a fulfillment of Eze 37:14: God’s people went into captivity to Babylon the Great with the growth of the apostasy in the second century C.E. This was a dark period of time, similar to what the ancient Israelites experienced while in exile. How happy we can be, though, that after God’s people experienced centuries of spiritual oppression, we are living in the time when “those having insight will shine . . . brightly” and “many will cleanse themselves” and they “will be refined”!—Dan. 12:3, 10. Last Edited by chauchat on 01/07/2020 11:15 AM |
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| Pho (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ezekiel 37:14 Quoting: Photine 75598088 I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD. Ps 33:6 By the Word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the Spirit of His mouth all their host. Ps 104:30 When You send Your Spirit, they are created, and You renew the face of the earth. To wit ^ "My Spirit" in Eze 37:14, ain't the Father as you are saying. It's the Word (Jesus). No. You, yourself have copied LORD as it appears in the KJV, with all caps, signifying Eze 37:14 is one of the almost 7000 times the 'tetragrammaton' -in English, Jehovah- appeared in the original manuscripts. And I agree with this as a fulfillment of Eze 37:14: God’s people went into captivity to Babylon the Great with the growth of the apostasy in the second century C.E. This was a dark period of time, similar to what the ancient Israelites experienced while in exile. How happy we can be, though, that after God’s people experienced centuries of spiritual oppression, we are living in the time when “those having insight will shine . . . brightly” and “many will cleanse themselves” and they “will be refined”!—Dan. 12:3, 10. The verse in question is 2 Cor 3:17, sir. |
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| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eph 2:18 For through Him we have access to the Father by one Spirit. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "No one comes to the Father except through me." Jn 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 Cor 3:17. and surrounding verses refer to Exodus 34-- {and Jehovah's reflected glory in Moses' face} 29 Moses then came down from Mount Sinai, and the two tablets of the Testimony were in his hand.+ When he came down from the mountain, Moses did not know that the skin of his face was emitting rays because he had been speaking with God. 30 When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, they noticed that the skin of his face emitted rays and they were afraid to go near him. Exodus 34:34 King James Version 34 But when Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. "LORD" ^ in all caps means "Jehovah." [see below] Exodus 34:34 American Standard Version 34 But when Moses went in before Jehovah to speak with him, he took the veil off, until he came out; and he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. Jesus reflects Jehovah's light. In John 17 Jesus prays I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them,+ because they are no part of the world,+ just as I am no part of the world. 15 “I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one.+ 16 They are no part of the world,+ just as I am no part of the world.+ 17 Sanctify them by means of the truth;+ your word is truth.+ 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I also sent them into the world.+ 19 And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, so that they also may be sanctified by means of truth. 20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21 so that they may all be one,+ just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you,+ that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.+ 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one,+ so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. 24 Father, I want those whom you have given me to be with me where I am,+ in order that they may look upon my glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world.+ 25 Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you,+ but I know you,+ and these have come to know that you sent me. 26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known,+ so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”+ |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said the part that's not slashed through. It's the Word (Jesus). No. You, yourself have copied LORD as it appears in the KJV, with all caps, signifying Eze 37:14 is one of the almost 7000 times the 'tetragrammaton' -in English, Jehovah- appeared in the original manuscripts. And I agree with this as a fulfillment of Eze 37:14: God’s people went into captivity to Babylon the Great with the growth of the apostasy in the second century C.E. This was a dark period of time, similar to what the ancient Israelites experienced while in exile. How happy we can be, though, that after God’s people experienced centuries of spiritual oppression, we are living in the time when “those having insight will shine . . . brightly” and “many will cleanse themselves” and they “will be refined”!—Dan. 12:3, 10. The verse in question is 2 Cor 3:17, sir. |
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| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Romans 8:26 butthe Spirit himself intercedes for us. Romans 8:34 Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God--and He is interceding for us. 1 Jn 2:1 My dear children,... we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 4:23, 24 Jesus said "the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” |
| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 4:23, 24 Jesus said "the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” God is Spirit**** Nice try. |
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| Photine (OP) User ID: 75598088 Canada12/18/2019 09:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Galatians 4:6 (GNTA) To show that you are his children, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who cries out, "Father, my Father." Obviously the Spirit AIN'T the Father. (Chuckle). Unless you believe the Father cries "Father my Father", LOL. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States12/18/2019 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77505643 John 4:23, 24 Jesus said "the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” God is Spirit**** Nice try. Not a clue what this is supposed to mean. |
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User ID: 78262894 United States12/18/2019 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: TheLordsServant LOL Anyone who's actually READ the New Testament can TELL that Jesus Yeshua is the SON OF God... ...NOT the Holy Spirit. 2 Cor 3:16-4:5 the veil is removed in Christ. whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. the Lord is the Spirit. we preach Jesus Christ as Lord," A piss-poor translation as I have already PROVEN. SEVERAL other verses ALSO prove you NONSENSE to be WRONG. You don't preach Jesus as Lord. Ouch. Who's the one who DENIES what Jesus said and takes Paul's words out of CONTEXT to teach false doctrines? I WILL bow to Jesus for sure - for He is the SON OF God - SENT by the Father. Just as the Holy Spirit is SENT by the Father.  I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
