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Message Subject Christ is the flaming sword that guards tree of life in the Garden of Eden.
Poster Handle TheLordsServant
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n the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;




 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78258948

In John 20:17 Jesus declares the Father is God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

And YOU are even MORE stupid!

"BEFORE God"???? chuckle

WHEN exactly was the time "before God"? Not scriptural.

You're another numbskull that takes John's 1:1 AND YET IGNORES a vast number of other verses that make your UNDERSTANDING of John 1 to be INCORRECT.

"Jesus IS the Father" is an ignorant false doctrine that IGNORES crucial verses of the Bible.

John 17 shows us that Jesus was WITH the Father in the beginning.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Genesis 1:26 verse of "Let Us make man in OUR image". Only Jesus and the Father would qualify as the "Us" and "our" individuals.

In John 5 Jesus makes this statement.

19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So how did Jesus LEARN to do anything?

By WATCHING the Father. So anything created by Jesus was done AFTER He had seen the Father do similar.

Father God was NEVER "born", yet Jesus makes this statement.

John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."


Colossians 1:15-18

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So therefore, God, the Father, created Jesus.

And being both a "created entity", AND having been SENT to earth BY the Father, is "how" Jesus died.

This verse in Revelation clearly shows Jesus as both "firstborn of creation" AND "firstborn of the dead".

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

God Himself didn't die for us. God CANNOT die.

Jesus earthly body did - He did this at the Father's commandment.

John 6

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Bonus verses by Jesus about who the Creator is.

Mark 10

5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
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