Bold Prediction: Nancy Pelosi will never allow a senate trial of President Trump to happen. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63699695 United States 12/20/2019 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you do realize this is the FOURTH impeachment vote the house has taken since Trump has been in office? It's all about optics for their libtard base, making it appear they tried everything to defeat the bad orange man. Meanwhile, the country is prospering under Trump's leadership!!! |
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User ID: 75950402 United States 12/20/2019 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pelosi has painter herself and her entire party into a corner. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63699695 you do realize this is the FOURTH impeachment vote the house has taken since Trump has been in office? It's all about optics for their libtard base, making it appear they tried everything to defeat the bad orange man. Meanwhile, the country is prospering under Trump's leadership!!! McConnell said they have submitted 7 in total so far ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74628864 United States 12/20/2019 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If Nancy doesn't forward the article's Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76594256 Then the ellection will be more like a referendum Trump can then tell ppl why he think Nancy is a criminal By exposing her and others crimes All the while promising to prosecute if re ellected It's all winning all the time now for team trump He should not wait for reelection. The DOJ should start filing charges now. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77635505 United States 12/20/2019 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out, OP. Quoting: Larry D. Croc My remaining question is whether McConnell has the means to force the situation in some way to effectively remove the sword of Damocles during the first few months of 2020. I have read that some people suggest that the real reason for Pelosi's sudden "no-urgency-anymore" stance is so that in case RBG FINALLY kicks the bucket they won't have to accept any nominee from an "impeached" President. So, if McConnell DOES have a way to either force it or roundfile it he'd better do it pretty soon, otherwise there'll be all sorts of vacancies on the Supreme Court if Pelosi succeeds in holding the paperwork for the next five years! The impeachment articles become null and void when the next Congressional session begins. SCOTUS is going to force Pelosi to turn it over or hold her in contempt. This forces Pelosi to either follow their order or make her have to vote to dismiss the articles. Either way the democrats look more foolish than they do now. |
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Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 77961993 United States 12/20/2019 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pelosi has painter herself and her entire party into a corner. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63699695 you do realize this is the FOURTH impeachment vote the house has taken since Trump has been in office? It's all about optics for their libtard base, making it appear they tried everything to defeat the bad orange man. Meanwhile, the country is prospering under Trump's leadership!!! And yet, last night on the Dem Debates they were all going on and on about how BAD the economy is, Biden said he was willing to shitcan hundreds of thousands of jobs in order to go to AOC's "Green Economy", and when reminded of the actual facts about the booming Economy, Warren blurted out "Well, they're just WRONG!" It's like they're running on an alternate planet or something. "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
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Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 77961993 United States 12/20/2019 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out, OP. Quoting: Larry D. Croc My remaining question is whether McConnell has the means to force the situation in some way to effectively remove the sword of Damocles during the first few months of 2020. I have read that some people suggest that the real reason for Pelosi's sudden "no-urgency-anymore" stance is so that in case RBG FINALLY kicks the bucket they won't have to accept any nominee from an "impeached" President. So, if McConnell DOES have a way to either force it or roundfile it he'd better do it pretty soon, otherwise there'll be all sorts of vacancies on the Supreme Court if Pelosi succeeds in holding the paperwork for the next five years! The impeachment articles become null and void when the next Congressional session begins. SCOTUS is going to force Pelosi to turn it over or hold her in contempt. This forces Pelosi to either follow their order or make her have to vote to dismiss the articles. Either way the democrats look more foolish than they do now. Hard to figure out how they could look MORE foolish! This could get really INTERESTING! "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 12/20/2019 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out, OP. Quoting: Larry D. Croc My remaining question is whether McConnell has the means to force the situation in some way to effectively remove the sword of Damocles during the first few months of 2020. That depends on how President Trump tells McConnell he wants to proceed. Pelosi herself can now be charged with: 1) Obstruction of Congress; for failing to send the Articles to the senate. 2) abuse of power; for delaying the process indefinitely. I would even suggest that Schiff could as well be charged as well for those same reasons 1) Obstruction of Congress; for refusing to allow the minority a day to call their desired witnesses and hear testimony 2) abuse of power; for using the phone records of a sitting member of congress in his report It's almost as if they want to be tarred and feathered for what they have done. You forgot that Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler have violated 4 of Trump’s constitutional rights. Now Pelosi is violating Trump’s 6th amendment to a speedy trial. I didn't forget, I deliberately left that out so someone else could expound on what they have done. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74628864 United States 12/20/2019 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She’s waiting for a republican senate Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76973693 They timed this house vote so it’s hanging over his head and hopefully enough to prevent people from voting for Trump in 2020 They have their election rigging in place and plan to steal the senate If Pres Trump wins in 2020... they can get their Dem-majority senate...the impeachment will then be forwarded over Does anyone honestly believe that the Dems will end up with 66 seats in the senate after the election? I guess it's possible with the amount of seats up for reelection, but come on. It only takes a majority to decide which witnesses are called, and that is what they are afraid of. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78107266 United States 12/20/2019 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She’s waiting for a republican senate Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76973693 They timed this house vote so it’s hanging over his head and hopefully enough to prevent people from voting for Trump in 2020 They have their election rigging in place and plan to steal the senate If Pres Trump wins in 2020... they can get their Dem-majority senate...the impeachment will then be forwarded over Does anyone honestly believe that the Dems will end up with 66 seats in the senate after the election? I guess it's possible with the amount of seats up for reelection, but come on. It only takes a majority to decide which witnesses are called, and that is what they are afraid of. Thanks to Democrat Senator Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader. |
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User ID: 75950402 United States 12/20/2019 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She’s waiting for a republican senate Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76973693 They timed this house vote so it’s hanging over his head and hopefully enough to prevent people from voting for Trump in 2020 They have their election rigging in place and plan to steal the senate If Pres Trump wins in 2020... they can get their Dem-majority senate...the impeachment will then be forwarded over Does anyone honestly believe that the Dems will end up with 66 seats in the senate after the election? I guess it's possible with the amount of seats up for reelection, but come on. It only takes a majority to decide which witnesses are called, and that is what they are afraid of. Thanks to Democrat Senator Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader. They never thought they would lose power.... ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63699695 United States 12/20/2019 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Philly Special For everyone thinking along this line, keep in mind that it takes a 2/3 super majority vote from the senate to convict the POTUS of the articles of impeachment. Does anyone honestly believe that the Dems will end up with 66 seats in the senate after the election? I guess it's possible with the amount of seats up for reelection, but come on. It only takes a majority to decide which witnesses are called, and that is what they are afraid of. Thanks to Democrat Senator Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader. They never thought they would lose power.... Now they are realizing they may never get it back |
Steve8511
User ID: 481317 United States 12/20/2019 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the risk of having the full GLP effect come down on me like a herd of monkeys trying to hump a doorknob, I submit to you that there is no way Pelosi will ever send the Senate the articles of impeachment. Quoting: Herbert George Wells Here's why: 1) Adam Schiff illegally got the telephone records of the president's lawyer, Rudy Guiliani, journalist John Solomen, and republican congressman Devin Nunes and included them in his impeachment report; opening a huge can of worms for Pelosi. If those articles go to the senate it will be Schiff's actions on trial and the president's lawyers will be allowed to cross-examine Schiff on the witness stand even if he is one of the house managers sent to present their case for impeachment. What Schiff did was almost just as bad as the FBI's electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign and Pelosi knows it was so bad that Schiff refused to show up before the Judiciary committee to submit his report. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Schiff has done would become the CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 2) The Democrats' case is barely strong enough to put to paper because Schiff failed to use all the powers of the courts to compel the White House to provide the witnesses Schiff says he wanted to appear in his secret sex dungeon beneath the capital building. Schiff also screwed up by refusing to allow White House counsel to attend advise and defend any member of the Trump administration Schiff had on his shortlist to grill like a hotdog at an Ed Buck costume party. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Schiff did not do would become another CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 3) The House impeaching Trump was a purely political act meant to pacify those liberals in Congress and in the Democrat party that were a curly little pubic hair away from revolt and the removal of the makeup-stained gavel from Pelosi's hands. Pelosi has bet the final years of her career in the hope that having articles of impeachment hanging over Trump's head during his re-election campaign will be a modern-day sword of Damocles that who gets the democrat nomination can point to as proof Trump should not be President again. If Pelosi had any sense of how Trump looks at things she would know that he will turn her threat to send the articles of Impeachment to the senate into one more another reason to vote for him even if she does send those articles to the senate in next October. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Pelosi has done would become yet another CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 4) The only people in America that haven't figured out that this is just a political stunt by Pelosi are the "Orange man bad" crowd screaming reeeeee into the paper bag of paint fumes they are huffing. Pelosi never meant for this to go anywhere but into her desk drawer as yet another insurance policy for the democrats in case Trump gets elected again is another record landslide win over the democrats. Sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate would ensure that Republicans will retake the house in 2020 and holding on to them will ensure that a Republican speaker of the house can quietly round file them when Pelosi is forced to step down or retire. Possibly... I suspect they are planning to smear the President to the point that the winds change then send it to the senate. They are waiting until the senate wants him gone. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78268016 United States 12/20/2019 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | whoever is pulling her strings will decide what she is allowed to do. bet someone has the goods on her, and owns her. the question is, who is it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76733064 Probably whoever was operating the Awan brothers. That would come out too, in a senate impeachment trial. Put Trump on the witness stand, he'll be happy to explain all he knows from the IC community about all the DNC criminal and treasonous that is now classified. As president he can declassify his testimony as he speaks and has the country's full attention without media spin. The democrats' worst nightmare. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78268016 United States 12/20/2019 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Philly Special For everyone thinking along this line, keep in mind that it takes a 2/3 super majority vote from the senate to convict the POTUS of the articles of impeachment. Does anyone honestly believe that the Dems will end up with 66 seats in the senate after the election? I guess it's possible with the amount of seats up for reelection, but come on. It only takes a majority to decide which witnesses are called, and that is what they are afraid of. Thanks to Democrat Senator Harry Reid former Senate Majority leader. They never thought they would lose power.... Not only that, but they never thought they would lose power to someone they couldn't destroy and control by their treachery and treason as long as the corporate media had their back. They never expected to lose power to someone who would fight back and fight to win. |
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User ID: 76707481 United States 12/20/2019 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pelosi and gang should’ve figured out long ago: the majority of Americans DON’T CARE!!! Bored to death with their perpetual unwillingness to accept that Trump was voted President. Deal with it already. Bebe |
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User ID: 76462481 United States 12/20/2019 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully the Senate can do a work-around and investigate this mess anyway and put it in front of the public. Quoting: White Gloves 75670424 What a mess; confidence in Congress is in the ditch. From what I heard yesterday, and there were numerous guesses, they can still hold the trial BUT without the articles it’s just a empty verdict She can hold on to them as long as she wants too, meaning she could send them over whenever they regain the senate No one really seems to know what is going on Rush Limbaugh said on his show today that if she dosent officially send them to the senate, McConnel can just vote to dismiss the case, only needs 51 votes. The documents are now part of the public record, the Senate can get them. look at them and just dismiss the case. |
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User ID: 77694187 United States 12/20/2019 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well thought out, OP. Quoting: Larry D. Croc My remaining question is whether McConnell has the means to force the situation in some way to effectively remove the sword of Damocles during the first few months of 2020. That depends on how President Trump tells McConnell he wants to proceed. Pelosi herself can now be charged with: 1) Obstruction of Congress; for failing to send the Articles to the senate. 2) abuse of power; for delaying the process indefinitely. I would even suggest that Schiff could as well be charged as well for those same reasons 1) Obstruction of Congress; for refusing to allow the minority a day to call their desired witnesses and hear testimony 2) abuse of power; for using the phone records of a sitting member of congress in his report It's almost as if they want to be tarred and feathered for what they have done. Fantastic thread OP. I sure hope that Pelosi and Schiff do not walk away from this unscathed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63699695 United States 12/20/2019 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | McConnell knows how batten down the hatches. Don’t think so? Just look at his year long SC Justice pick stall after Scalia. He knows how to play the long game. At the moment, this requires a short game. Hold the Senate impeachment trial. I heard a portion of McConnell's speech after Pelosi's announcement. He is extremely disappointed the House because they have significantly lowered the bar for impeachable offenses, so all future Presidents can now be impeached because the other side simply doesn't like them. Trump is right, the dems are trying to punish all those that voted for him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76845748 United States 12/20/2019 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When do the arrests start? Real crimes and treason have been committed against the people of the United States of America. Quoting: Crypto-Tard They had to peel the layers off first. They will now start making deals and throwing their own under the bus. It will include Republicans also. This is not just a partisan issue, it is a criminal issue. Buckle up! |
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User ID: 77044752 United States 12/20/2019 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The American Grand Jury is quietly waiting for certain additional elected government officiaL and certain additional appointed government officials to commit the overt act that triggers the writing of bills of attainder for treason. One of the powers that is forbidden to congress is the writing of a bill of attainder for treason. There are 5 kinds of grand juries. 1. county 2. state 3. federal 4. federal special and the American Grand Jury. Most officials do not know about the AGJ because they operate in secret. U.S. v. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 (1992) - (Court held: (1) that a court cannot force a prosecutor to present evidence to a grand jury that shows the person they’re investigating may NOT have committed a crime; (2) that courts have very little power to intervene in grand jury proceedings because grand juries are not part of the court system but are in effect a fourth branch of government, separate and apart from the judiciary, the executive branch, and the legislature.) The American Grand Jury even has the full legal and lawful authority to write a attainder for treason upon a member of the Supreme Court. U.S. v. Calandra, 414 U.S. 338 (1974) - (Court held that a grand jury can consider evidence that was obtained unconstitutionally, in an unlawful search and seizure, because the exclusionary rule does not apply to the grand jury.) If Pelosi proceeds any further, ... then she is finished. I think she may know that and that her real best bet is to resign now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78040912 United States 12/20/2019 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She may be holding them back until after the election to see if the Democrats win a majority in the Senate. There is no point in her sending them over as long as the Republicans are in control. Quoting: Spiritmyst Plus, the Democrats could use the situation as a major talking point during the election: "You can't vote for someone who is going to be impeached as soon as you elect him." The President can bring it to the Supreme Court; being denied the Right to a speedy trial, being denied the Right to face his accuser(s). The "impeachment" was such a farce, that President Trump was denied ALL DUE PROCESS and the Supreme Court can toss it out on that basis. The longer pelosi delays the worse it looks for the dems. Trump has all year to expose how deeply exposed the very top dems were in Ukrainian/obama corruption. REMEMBER, ALL OF THIS is being done to keep the corruption of obama and his pawns still hidden from the mass brainwashed American and world public. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78266053 United States 12/20/2019 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At the risk of having the full GLP effect come down on me like a herd of monkeys trying to hump a doorknob, I submit to you that there is no way Pelosi will ever send the Senate the articles of impeachment. Quoting: Herbert George Wells Here's why: 1) Adam Schiff illegally got the telephone records of the president's lawyer, Rudy Guiliani, journalist John Solomen, and republican congressman Devin Nunes and included them in his impeachment report; opening a huge can of worms for Pelosi. If those articles go to the senate it will be Schiff's actions on trial and the president's lawyers will be allowed to cross-examine Schiff on the witness stand even if he is one of the house managers sent to present their case for impeachment. What Schiff did was almost just as bad as the FBI's electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign and Pelosi knows it was so bad that Schiff refused to show up before the Judiciary committee to submit his report. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Schiff has done would become the CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 2) The Democrats' case is barely strong enough to put to paper because Schiff failed to use all the powers of the courts to compel the White House to provide the witnesses Schiff says he wanted to appear in his secret sex dungeon beneath the capital building. Schiff also screwed up by refusing to allow White House counsel to attend advise and defend any member of the Trump administration Schiff had on his shortlist to grill like a hotdog at an Ed Buck costume party. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Schiff did not do would become another CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 3) The House impeaching Trump was a purely political act meant to pacify those liberals in Congress and in the Democrat party that were a curly little pubic hair away from revolt and the removal of the makeup-stained gavel from Pelosi's hands. Pelosi has bet the final years of her career in the hope that having articles of impeachment hanging over Trump's head during his re-election campaign will be a modern-day sword of Damocles that who gets the democrat nomination can point to as proof Trump should not be President again. If Pelosi had any sense of how Trump looks at things she would know that he will turn her threat to send the articles of Impeachment to the senate into one more another reason to vote for him even if she does send those articles to the senate in next October. Sending the articles of impeachment to the senate would ensure everything Pelosi has done would become yet another CenterPoint of the Senate trial. 4) The only people in America that haven't figured out that this is just a political stunt by Pelosi are the "Orange man bad" crowd screaming reeeeee into the paper bag of paint fumes they are huffing. Pelosi never meant for this to go anywhere but into her desk drawer as yet another insurance policy for the democrats in case Trump gets elected again is another record landslide win over the democrats. Sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate would ensure that Republicans will retake the house in 2020 and holding on to them will ensure that a Republican speaker of the house can quietly round file them when Pelosi is forced to step down or retire. I agree, and enjoyed the flourishes throughout! It's a hill Pelosi will die on politically and it will kill her and the Democrats politically as well. What she is missing is that it's a simpler argument to grasp that Pelosi is arguing against holding the trial. That 180 degree flip doesn't make any sense to the vast majority of the people, and they will express their displeasure next November. The Democrats are already paying a huge price in the public's eyes. I suspect the Democrat members of the House will be reporting back to her exactly that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78255970 United States 12/20/2019 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think Nancy can prevent a trial and/or aquittal if McConnell decides to move on it. She blew her wad by forcing the impeachment resolutions. Now it's out of her hands. It really doesn't matter if she sends the impeachment resolutions to the senate. McConnell makes the rules. |