Was Lucifer The LORD's first angel? Is he incapable of doing good deeds?

Yes, it doesn't add up

yes, the god of the bibles,
was an incompetant boob.

'Time' isn't linear.

Go 'back' further.

It's all there/here

Why would Lucifer take on his master? If his wisdom, beauty, and intelligence is "Perfect", surely he would know he cannot win.

Even a small child would acknowledge that common sense.

God, untreated, all powerful, all mighty, omniscient, ever present would defeat Lucifer with ease.


Am I missing something here?

Why didn't Jesus try to save Lucifer in the wilderness.

Think about it, Jesus could speak some sense into Lucifer and forgive him if he sincerely turned from his ways and repented.

Will God truly "torment with fire" Lucifer, the demons, and the billions who never accepted Jesus as Christ?

Why would God choose to torture so many for eternity. That's fucking scary that an all loving God would take his vengeance out on mortals or created angelic beings.

Does God's love have limits? If so then God isn't all powerful.

Consider the inverse.

Everything was purposely re-encoded in the inverse.

Polarity is necessary for perception of the fragments removed from the Source. Creation is a subtraction from All, not an addition to nothing.

Lucifer is the Sinister (Levorotary) arm/wave function of Satan, the mirror, polar opposite of the Source. A Square wave approximation, a collection of individually immeasurable high frequency pulses collectively imitating a high amplitude low frequency; the Source. God is the lowest frequency waveform from which all other waveforms orignate. Angels are harmonics, demons are essentially pulse code modulators.

Lucifer is akin to a digital recording of an analogue bass note, played back on a powerless device of zero amplification, zero watts, but with every bass boost knob and software equalization applied and cranked full blast.

YHWH is the South/negative pole of (pre)creation, Christ is the Rectus (dextrorotary) dynamic wave function akin to a permanent magnet which has always existed since before time and will continue to exist after time.

Satan is the North/positive pole of creation. Lucifer is the static square wave function, akin to a temporarily powered electromagnet which has no power of its own.

it does add up when you consider free will

And the Stars?

What if Satan worked for God and when he’s no longer needed he will be relieved of that duty or destroyed ? Not tortured forever ? What if it’s the same for humans mere destruction not eternal punishment

So much confusion on who satan is and who the serpent was some say it was merely a snake . So much confusion . Lord help us and we know the Bible can’t be totally trusted

If you know and understand the scripture, where it speaks of Lucifer, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out.

...It is only one chapter.

Hint: pay close attention to the first and last verse.

Isa.14
[1] For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
[2] And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
[3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
[4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
[5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
[6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
[7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
[8] Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
[9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
[10] All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
[11] Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
[13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
[14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
[16] They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
[17] That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
[18] All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
[19] But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
[20] Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
[21] Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
[22] For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
[23] I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
[24] The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
[25] That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
[26] This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
[27] For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
[28] In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
[29] Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
[30] And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.
[31] Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
[32] What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.

Not a single worthy answer. Thanks anyway

YALBADOATH was his name. He was created by Sophia without God which is why he was flawed.

Intelligence and wisdom with no Greater Love.

Yalbadoath then created the reality we live in, many spheres within spheres and he created the angels, they are his and he plays at being God to try and prove to God he is better and his draconian ways are better.

He doesn't want you to have free-will. He tried to trap God in a host in his creation by creating Humans in God's image to trap a little piece of god in it so he could defile and debase it over and over.

He is the Judgemental mad God trying to get you to bend to his will and desire by using deception. He wants you to give up your free-will to him.

He is not the God Jesus spoke of which is why his servants had Christ killed. He was exposing their religion as a control system of Evil.

Heylel means "praise".
It is not first creation, but nearest to god, first creation in that sense, nearness. It knows deeply from what so closely it is formed and praise, loudly.

Psalms 113-119 are The Praise Psalm; Psalms of HEYLEL

ROME uses it as a scapegoat.
They invented in latin the name Lucifer,
to bait-&-switch.

"Worthy" attracts 'worthy'.

:)

Keep talking. Your on track.

Thread: God..the GREAT experimenter.

Lucifer was one of the 19 Seraphic Archangels created at the beginning.

He and the other 18 Seraphic Archangels were created 109,000,000 years ago.

The other 18 were Michael, Gabriel, Raphael. Uriel, Chamuel, Sariel, Sandalphon, Sariel, Clariel, Jophiel, Jerugdiel, Jerahmeel, Castiel, Azrael, Azaroth, Castariel, Azariah, and Anariah.

All beings were created as holy as possible, but only Archangel Chamuel and one of the Sariels remained that way forever. Several seconds after he was created, Lucifer fell from being the holiest being in existence, to what would become the position of 72nd holiest once all other beings were created - 2 positions below where a Christian ends. Several seconds after the creation of the 19, all 16 other Archangels fell from being as holy as possible, falling to positions that, after all things were made, would be

1. Archangel Michael - 5th
2. Archangel Gabriel - 12th
3. Archangel Raphael - 7th
4. Archangel Uriel - 3rd
5. Archangel Sandalphon - 9th
6. Archangel Sariel - 3rd
7. Archangel Clariel - 2nd
8. Archangel Jophiel - 18th
9. Archangel Jerugdiel - 8th
10. Archangel Jerahmeel - 10th
11. Archangel Castiel - 10th
12. Archangel Azrael - 5th
13. Archangel Azaroth - 18th
14. Archangel Castariel - 13th
15. Archangel Azariah - 17th
16. Archangel Anariah - 10th

After the fall of the 17, Clariel, the 2nd holiest being, became so disgusted at falling from being the holiest being in existence, that she begged God to allow her to be translated from an Archangel to an angel under the Archangel Sariel who did not fall. God did so. Now there were 18 seraphic Archangels. After this, Elohim created the remaining angels under the Seraphic Archangels - the rest of the Seraphic host - and the other 6 classes of angels - Cherubim, Ophanim, Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, and Principalities. All beings in these classes ended up falling several seconds after their creation, though, like all Seraphic Archangels except Lucifer, not falling from Christianity. Lucifer, for 9,000,000 years, was the universe’s only non-Christian: two positions away from where a Christian ends, though nothing as remotely twisted as who he became.

100,000,000 years ago, 9,000,000 years after he was created, God sent Lucifer 9,000,000 years into the future, several hours after the Luciferian rebellion, translated him from an angel into a Vegan, and sent him to the Vega star system, to become the ancestor of the Vegan star civilization. Upon becoming a Vegan, Lucifer became a Christian again, becoming the 27th holiest being in existence. Biological children of the father and mother of the lyran civilization were given to Lucy the Vegan, and they were de-lyranized and veganized, becoming the children of Lucy the Vegan. The Vegan civilization functioned as the twin flame of the lyran civilization. The first lyran to be born - the first being ever born in the History of the Universe, 91,000,000 years ago, was twin flames with the aspects of Jerugdiel, incarnate, that became the first child of Lucy the Vegan.

For 4.5 million years, Lucy was the 27th holiest being in existence. Then, for a single day, he became the holiest being in the universe again - as holy as it is possible to be - becoming, like Chamuel and Sariel, the seal of perfection. After 24 hours he went back to being the 27th holiest being. During those 24 hours, EVERYTHING was revealed to Lucifer, whereas he only had bits and pieces before; including his future betrayal. This knowledge stayed with him once he became the 27th holiest being again, but was gradually lost in due time, by the time another 4.5 million years were up. After falling from being the seal of perfection for the second time, however, Lucifer’s timeless self remained the seal of perfection, thigh he himself was no longer that holy. The non-congruence of his present self and timeless self notwithstanding, Lucifer’s timeless self remained the seal of perfection until his fall - for 13.5 million years.

82,000,000 years ago, Lucy the Vegan was de-veganized, turned into a Seraphic Archangel again, and sent back to the year he came from, 100,000,000 years ago.

Nine million years later, it happened.

In order to ensure their own fall, Satan and his host invaded the minds of the entire angelic host, sending incredibly disturbing images and visions into the minds of all 72,000,000 angels from across time. All angels were shown disturbing things in an attempt to break them down and desensitize them. All angels who had the Holy Spirit written on their heart followed the guidance of God to ignore the visions/images and ask God what they meant later. All the other angels, except for the Ophanic Archangel Archangel Conciel, misinterpreted the will of God as asking God what the images and visions meant. Keep in mind that up until that time, all the angels ever knew was complete and total peace. Seeing so much as someone raising their voice or not replying when someone said ‘thank you’ was seen as indication of that person being the Antichrist or Sin Incarnate - even by Lucifer when he was the least holiest angel: a million times holier than the average human being. There was such peace that no one even asked God anything along the lines of ‘Father! How could something like this happen?’ The visions completely and totally traumatized all 72,000,000 angels; those that allowed themselves to become morally and spiritually compromised in the aftermath of their traumatization became the fallen.

Lucifer was the first to ask God the meaning of the visions; though his twin flame, Archangel Chamuel, insisted that he not; Lucifer misinterpreted the will of God to be contrary to his best friend’s claims, believing that it was God’s will for the horrors to be explained then, and interpreting God’s contradiction as God merely testing him.

What Lucifer saw was the first few moments of the reign of Ahab & Jezebel. They were standing on the corpses of Ahab’s murdered father, Omri, and his men, drenched in blood, cackling and saying ‘I’m Ahab, and I’m Jezebel, and it’s national (expletive directed at Jesus) for the eradication of the Je.wish race day!” Jezebel then said ‘What’s (expletive directed at Jesus) for the eradication of the Jewish race day, Ahab?’ Ahab replied. ‘It’s when we eradicate every last man, woman, and child for the eradication of the entire universe!’ They then proceeded to curse Jesus once more.

After God explained to Lucifer all about Ahab, Jezebel, human wickedness, and the fallen, though leaving out the part about Lucifer becoming Satan (it would have been worse otherwise), Lucifer reflected on his conversation with God, reflected on asking God ‘Father, how could this happen? How could you allow something like this?’. To comfort himself, he dwelt on himself having conversations with the Father, dwelling on how comfortable the knowledge the father gave him was. He recalled himself talking with the Father, deriving Peace from conversing with him. He then dwelt on the fact he asked the father a question, asking him why something so horrible could be, deciding that it felt comforting to ask the Father a question, as opposed to simply being told something by him, it made him feel as though he was like the father, asking instead of simply being told, which he liked because he loved how holy the father was; considering himself like him only inasmuch creation is made in the image of God. So Lucifer decided to ask God many questions he already knew the answer to. This made him feel powerful. Soon, however, he decided to love power, not because it was of God, but because it made him feel like he was the center of it all, not God. Good pride became bad pride, and bad pride became sociopathy. Soon, Lucifer began to try to usurp God and become supreme lord of the universe. He entered the throne room, attempted to kill God, and while doing so, decided he hated God for refusing to allow himself to become his own god more than he wanted to become his own god; he blasphemed the Holy Spirit, became a psychopath, and asked God to cast him from Heaven. He did so. Once cast from Heaven, he began speaking in gibberish, a nonsensical language that is the fruit of complete and total disconnection from God. ‘Kafunasalasasatankui’! He uttered. To illustrate and celebrate his disconnection from God, he decided to change his name from Lucifer, to something from the meaningless phrase he just uttered: Satan. (Later on, when God created the Hebrew language, the terms ‘enemy’ and ‘accuser’ became denoted by ‘ha-Shatan’ to purify all the times what would otherwise be the completely-gibberish term is said.)

Within 30 minutes of the fall of Lucifer, 23,999,997 other angels fell. ‘God, how could you allow this?’ becoming ‘Asking God the answer to these horrors makes me feel like I’m exercising my likeness to my Creator, it makes me feel powerful’ becoming ‘let’s seek power for the sake of power’ becoming ‘let’s rally around Satan’ after which they blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

The 2nd angel to fall was Azaroth, Archangel Azaroth’s holiest angel. After his fall, Archangel Azaroth’s name was changed to Archangel Haluel. Azaroth was the 7th holiest being before he fell. The 3rd to fall was Lucireth, one of Lucifer’s angels. She assumed the fallen angel name Madonna.

Between the falls of Azaroth and Lucireth, Chamuel looked Satan in the eyes, and Satan repented, becoming Lucifer again. After this Azaroth tempted him to become Satan again, and for the 2nd time, Lucifer blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

17 hours after Lucifer’s fall, the Archangel Sariel who fell to become the 3rd holiest being, blasphemed the Holy Spirit and becoming the 3rd wickedest.

7 hours later, Lilith, the 11th holiest, Archangel Chamuel’s holiest angel, fell, completing the luciferic host.

Minutes later, the light Sariel’s twin-flame connection to the other Sariel broke; Chamuel’s twin flame connection to Lucifer broke, and the two were joined to eachother.

After the fall of Lucifer, the 7 wickedest entities were:

1. Satan
2. Lilith
3. Sariel, Jezebel & Belial
4. Baal
5. Mammon
6. Madonna (Satan’s twin flame)

Had Lucifer never fallen, none of the others would have; his fall desensitized the rest who ended up falling.

And had Lucifer remained as holy as Lucy the Vegan, he would have never fallen.