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My Christmas gift to you: Research that should have been declassed long ago

 
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What could possibly been the inducement to participate in an experiment of this nature???
 Quoting: Captain Casey Jones


I think OP is telling the truth, and for certain the participants were not willing.

No shortage of subjects apparently, maybe they got them from a national park?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13455469


If he's telling the truth, homeless people, prostitutes, and other disenfranchised people where there would be little to no interest from law enforcement if they went missing.
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I wouldn't doubt SHE is telling the truth, if you have ever read her threads - she has quite the life story.
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Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS.
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Oh your wrong, Yale’s been involved in many nasty things. Remember Sandy Hook? The Fairfield mental hospital now closed in the area did horrible experiments on patients such as waterboarding, lobotomies, etc. and the Yale lab doing research was there. An orderly from Germany that was a former Nazi soldier that worked their said they called the Yale lab, “the morgue”! I think you get the picture?! A number of doctors with name changes also had German accents, get it?!
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What could possibly been the inducement to participate in an experiment of this nature???
 Quoting: Captain Casey Jones


I think OP is telling the truth, and for certain the participants were not willing.

No shortage of subjects apparently, maybe they got them from a national park?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13455469


If he's telling the truth, homeless people, prostitutes, and other disenfranchised people where there would be little to no interest from law enforcement if they went missing.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


I wouldn't doubt SHE is telling the truth, if you have ever read her threads - she has quite the life story.
 Quoting: Ipso Facto


My apologies; I am not familiar with her life story, albeit just from this one thread it sounds fascinating.
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This isn't the Milgram's experiment. It's the next stage up. And so are the ramifications.

...

Most of us know about the Milgram experiment, done by a psychologist at Yale University named Stanley Milgram, research on conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience.

The result was people who were quite happy to administer what they thought were lethal levels of electricity to other subjects, as long as they were being told to do so by an authority figure.

...

Just like the Milgram experiment, this research has its roots at Yale, where it was being conducted in a later period between the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Instead of testing to see if participants would kill another person when asked to by authority, this experiment tested to see if a person would die willingly if told to do so by authority.

The participants were told they were going to die in the experiment and that they had two choices. They could go quietly and willingly, and as a reward they would be revived. They were told if they fought, then they would not be revived.

Participants were completely submerged in a small therapeutic pool. A plastic sheet was then pulled over the surface of the water leaving no room for air. It was at this point that they had the option of willingly drowning without struggle, or struggling to free themselves.

Many of the participants chose to drown quietly. They were rewarded for their efforts by being pulled from the water and revived after, with CPR and medical intervention. There was a non-survival rate due to the severity of the nature of the experiment.

While national security is important, and this type of research - while not always pleasant - is done with it in mind, there are times when it is reasonable to assume they are crossing a line between traditional warfare and something much more deeply concerning.

Merry Christmas from the cleanup crew.
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Murder is murder. No way anyone volunteered to do this. I would have refused and died. So what.
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You have always been solid. Thank you. Merry Christmas.
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Oh and 5 star for you
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Hit and run by the OP. A drive-by.
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Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS.
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consent rules came much later

a doc with local ties led to that.

he was Dr. Southam. I asked a child of his if they were related to him and they nearly ran away.

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This isn't the Milgram's experiment. It's the next stage up. And so are the ramifications.

...

Most of us know about the Milgram experiment, done by a psychologist at Yale University named Stanley Milgram, research on conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience.

The result was people who were quite happy to administer what they thought were lethal levels of electricity to other subjects, as long as they were being told to do so by an authority figure.

...

Just like the Milgram experiment, this research has its roots at Yale, where it was being conducted in a later period between the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Instead of testing to see if participants would kill another person when asked to by authority, this experiment tested to see if a person would die willingly if told to do so by authority.

The participants were told they were going to die in the experiment and that they had two choices. They could go quietly and willingly, and as a reward they would be revived. They were told if they fought, then they would not be revived.

Participants were completely submerged in a small therapeutic pool. A plastic sheet was then pulled over the surface of the water leaving no room for air. It was at this point that they had the option of willingly drowning without struggle, or struggling to free themselves.

Many of the participants chose to drown quietly. They were rewarded for their efforts by being pulled from the water and revived after, with CPR and medical intervention. There was a non-survival rate due to the severity of the nature of the experiment.

While national security is important, and this type of research - while not always pleasant - is done with it in mind, there are times when it is reasonable to assume they are crossing a line between traditional warfare and something much more deeply concerning.

Merry Christmas from the cleanup crew.
Don't say I never gave you anything.
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Murder is murder. No way anyone volunteered to do this. I would have refused and died. So what.
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You might look at what Adytum posted?
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Thanks T.

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Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS.
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THIS
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Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS.
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THIS
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Here, I googled it for you:

"do universities do department of defense research"

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As for everyone else, you better be getting the milk and cookies out. It's almost that time.

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Can't imagine someone would volunteer to be the test subject..
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The volunteers were not willing.

Or, this makes absolutely zero sense. You get all the data you need if you revived everyone.

So this is either Dr. Mengele or fake news.
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Can't imagine someone would volunteer to be the test subject..
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The volunteers were not willing.

Or, this makes absolutely zero sense. You get all the data you need if you revived everyone.

So this is either Dr. Mengele or fake news.
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Which doctors are trained where?
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I can't believe yet am not surprised at all that YALE has and is probably still doing such morally reprehensible experiments.

Right on par with the Nazi experiments.
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But really, we here at GLP know the Nazis have been running the show here for quite some time right? How can we be at all surprised?
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Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow?

A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject.
Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation?
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I have been through a lot of monkey and even when you dont know what world you're in, that body responds. In the experiment where they are so injured or doped they can't make words to speak, that body still fights to survive.
I would think even a suicide, when delirious, would fight the "primal" fight.
So its hard for me too, that wiring is in your BIOS beneath the c: drive level....

Still, funniest line of thread: "The fact that you mentioned yale makes this bs".....
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bsflagbsflagbsflag

A person couldn't "drown quietly" if they tried. Involuntary survival reflexes would kick in.


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Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow?

A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject.
Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation?
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Familiarity with Human nature?
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In experiments, it has been conclusively shown that rats in communities of rats, are born with an instinctive sense of compassion for other rats in certain situations. This compassionate trait is not learned, the rats are born with this instinct.

However, similar experiments with chimpanzee communities and also with human subjects, shows that chimps and humans DO NOT HAVE that instinctive drive for compassion towards each other. In chimps and humans, the compassionate traits must be taught. If the traits are not taught, the result is a psychopathic individual and then psychopathic society.
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This is only true for Caucasians.
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how about giving me my foreskin back? the one jehovah demanded my parents give to him. that filthy fucker can stay dead for eternity in my mind. piss on him.
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If it was done on the 8th day, as demanded by the demon-god, yer endocrine system and emotional intelligence is ruined for life.
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People studying the people studying you
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Yeah you didn’t adapt to the sorting machine so u get experimented on
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Someone might have already mentioned this--but the
"psychology/psychic test" in the movie "Ghost Busters"
was one of my all time favorite scenes in a movie. I
think I laughed so hard I cried! (It's personal)


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FairUSE

I don't agree with the findings of that test. These
kind of surveys can be "skewed" depending on WHAT FINDINGS
the researchers wish to prove. Sometimes they fulfill their
own agenda without even needing the alter the data.

There is another experiment about "DRAWING TO YOU WHAT
YOU EXPECT TO FIND." (Not sure what the official name of
that one is...) This kind of "cosmic karma" seems to
interfere with solid proof of the NEGATIVE findings.

Just thought I'd mention that!

Merry Christmas...someone just paid for 1/2 my groceries
at the store when I didn't have enough dough on me...so
Yeah, you GET what you EXPECT sometimes!

cheers
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Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow?

A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject.
Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation?
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


epiclol
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Check him to see if his clothes are WET!

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FAITH IN THE LORD
has a RESURRECTION REWARD
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This is a fact.
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Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival).

More info needed on this if OP able to disclose.
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Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival).

More info needed on this if OP able to disclose.
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Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room.

There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects.

They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture.
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Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival).

More info needed on this if OP able to disclose.
 Quoting: MarPep


Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room.

There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects.

They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Must have been a hell of a "stipend."
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Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival).

More info needed on this if OP able to disclose.
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Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room.

There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects.

They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front.
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Must have been a hell of a "stipend."
 Quoting: MarPep


It was roughly around $125.
I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies.

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