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User ID: 75035479 United Kingdom 12/24/2019 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What could possibly been the inducement to participate in an experiment of this nature??? Quoting: Captain Casey Jones I think OP is telling the truth, and for certain the participants were not willing. No shortage of subjects apparently, maybe they got them from a national park? If he's telling the truth, homeless people, prostitutes, and other disenfranchised people where there would be little to no interest from law enforcement if they went missing. I wouldn't doubt SHE is telling the truth, if you have ever read her threads - she has quite the life story. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fatality. Out of Sanity. Sublime Paragon. Transcendent Virtuoso. Marduk the Inimitable. Truth Ranger. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78257598 United States 12/24/2019 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31793910 Oh your wrong, Yale’s been involved in many nasty things. Remember Sandy Hook? The Fairfield mental hospital now closed in the area did horrible experiments on patients such as waterboarding, lobotomies, etc. and the Yale lab doing research was there. An orderly from Germany that was a former Nazi soldier that worked their said they called the Yale lab, “the morgue”! I think you get the picture?! A number of doctors with name changes also had German accents, get it?! |
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Riff-Raff
DEFCON 4 User ID: 76340466 United States 12/24/2019 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What could possibly been the inducement to participate in an experiment of this nature??? Quoting: Captain Casey Jones I think OP is telling the truth, and for certain the participants were not willing. No shortage of subjects apparently, maybe they got them from a national park? If he's telling the truth, homeless people, prostitutes, and other disenfranchised people where there would be little to no interest from law enforcement if they went missing. I wouldn't doubt SHE is telling the truth, if you have ever read her threads - she has quite the life story. My apologies; I am not familiar with her life story, albeit just from this one thread it sounds fascinating. "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33981429 United States 12/24/2019 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This isn't the Milgram's experiment. It's the next stage up. And so are the ramifications. Quoting: TlvmmCpoft ... Most of us know about the Milgram experiment, done by a psychologist at Yale University named Stanley Milgram, research on conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience. The result was people who were quite happy to administer what they thought were lethal levels of electricity to other subjects, as long as they were being told to do so by an authority figure. ... Just like the Milgram experiment, this research has its roots at Yale, where it was being conducted in a later period between the late 1980s and early 1990s. Instead of testing to see if participants would kill another person when asked to by authority, this experiment tested to see if a person would die willingly if told to do so by authority. The participants were told they were going to die in the experiment and that they had two choices. They could go quietly and willingly, and as a reward they would be revived. They were told if they fought, then they would not be revived. Participants were completely submerged in a small therapeutic pool. A plastic sheet was then pulled over the surface of the water leaving no room for air. It was at this point that they had the option of willingly drowning without struggle, or struggling to free themselves. Many of the participants chose to drown quietly. They were rewarded for their efforts by being pulled from the water and revived after, with CPR and medical intervention. There was a non-survival rate due to the severity of the nature of the experiment. While national security is important, and this type of research - while not always pleasant - is done with it in mind, there are times when it is reasonable to assume they are crossing a line between traditional warfare and something much more deeply concerning. Merry Christmas from the cleanup crew. Don't say I never gave you anything. Murder is murder. No way anyone volunteered to do this. I would have refused and died. So what. |
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User ID: 77354011 United States 12/24/2019 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. The fact you said Yale was involved makes this BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31793910 consent rules came much later a doc with local ties led to that. he was Dr. Southam. I asked a child of his if they were related to him and they nearly ran away. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
callit
User ID: 74937193 United States 12/24/2019 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This isn't the Milgram's experiment. It's the next stage up. And so are the ramifications. Quoting: TlvmmCpoft ... Most of us know about the Milgram experiment, done by a psychologist at Yale University named Stanley Milgram, research on conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience. The result was people who were quite happy to administer what they thought were lethal levels of electricity to other subjects, as long as they were being told to do so by an authority figure. ... Just like the Milgram experiment, this research has its roots at Yale, where it was being conducted in a later period between the late 1980s and early 1990s. Instead of testing to see if participants would kill another person when asked to by authority, this experiment tested to see if a person would die willingly if told to do so by authority. The participants were told they were going to die in the experiment and that they had two choices. They could go quietly and willingly, and as a reward they would be revived. They were told if they fought, then they would not be revived. Participants were completely submerged in a small therapeutic pool. A plastic sheet was then pulled over the surface of the water leaving no room for air. It was at this point that they had the option of willingly drowning without struggle, or struggling to free themselves. Many of the participants chose to drown quietly. They were rewarded for their efforts by being pulled from the water and revived after, with CPR and medical intervention. There was a non-survival rate due to the severity of the nature of the experiment. While national security is important, and this type of research - while not always pleasant - is done with it in mind, there are times when it is reasonable to assume they are crossing a line between traditional warfare and something much more deeply concerning. Merry Christmas from the cleanup crew. Don't say I never gave you anything. Murder is murder. No way anyone volunteered to do this. I would have refused and died. So what. You might look at what Adytum posted? |
callit
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77728036 United States 12/24/2019 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31793910 THIS |
TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 12/24/2019 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely impossible. Milgram and also the Stanford Prison experiment brought huge reforms to the types of psychological experiments that can be done. Universities today can’t even come close to doing anything like those 2 experiments did. The government is the only one who could potentially do such a test. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31793910 THIS Here, I googled it for you: "do universities do department of defense research" [link to letmegooglethat.com] As for everyone else, you better be getting the milk and cookies out. It's almost that time. Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 12/24/2019 04:40 PM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Crypto-Tard
User ID: 78144147 United States 12/24/2019 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The volunteers were not willing. Or, this makes absolutely zero sense. You get all the data you need if you revived everyone. So this is either Dr. Mengele or fake news. When you are afraid of losing your life, you have already lost your life. Don't be afraid. |
callit
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Timur2020
User ID: 73044117 United States 12/24/2019 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow? Quoting: Riff-Raff A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject. Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation? I have been through a lot of monkey and even when you dont know what world you're in, that body responds. In the experiment where they are so injured or doped they can't make words to speak, that body still fights to survive. I would think even a suicide, when delirious, would fight the "primal" fight. So its hard for me too, that wiring is in your BIOS beneath the c: drive level.... Still, funniest line of thread: "The fact that you mentioned yale makes this bs"..... Last Edited by Timur2020 on 12/24/2019 05:11 PM "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78245785 United States 12/24/2019 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow? Quoting: Riff-Raff A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject. Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation? Familiarity with Human nature? In experiments, it has been conclusively shown that rats in communities of rats, are born with an instinctive sense of compassion for other rats in certain situations. This compassionate trait is not learned, the rats are born with this instinct. However, similar experiments with chimpanzee communities and also with human subjects, shows that chimps and humans DO NOT HAVE that instinctive drive for compassion towards each other. In chimps and humans, the compassionate traits must be taught. If the traits are not taught, the result is a psychopathic individual and then psychopathic society. This is only true for Caucasians. |
Halfing
User ID: 76753321 Hungary 12/24/2019 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | how about giving me my foreskin back? the one jehovah demanded my parents give to him. that filthy fucker can stay dead for eternity in my mind. piss on him. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64311320 If it was done on the 8th day, as demanded by the demon-god, yer endocrine system and emotional intelligence is ruined for life. |
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TheOracle'sCookie
User ID: 76948143 United States 12/24/2019 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone might have already mentioned this--but the "psychology/psychic test" in the movie "Ghost Busters" was one of my all time favorite scenes in a movie. I think I laughed so hard I cried! (It's personal) [link to youtu.be (secure)] I don't agree with the findings of that test. These kind of surveys can be "skewed" depending on WHAT FINDINGS the researchers wish to prove. Sometimes they fulfill their own agenda without even needing the alter the data. There is another experiment about "DRAWING TO YOU WHAT YOU EXPECT TO FIND." (Not sure what the official name of that one is...) This kind of "cosmic karma" seems to interfere with solid proof of the NEGATIVE findings. Just thought I'd mention that! Merry Christmas...someone just paid for 1/2 my groceries at the store when I didn't have enough dough on me...so Yeah, you GET what you EXPECT sometimes! TheOracle'sCookie "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
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User ID: 76948143 United States 12/24/2019 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, I'm having a hard time believing this, especially since you post no links, no evidence these trials took place, how you are aware of these experiments, nothing other than your story. Were you involved in these experiments somehow? Quoting: Riff-Raff A quick Internet search reveals nothing about this subject. Do you have anything other than your word to point to for independent confirmation? Check him to see if his clothes are WET! "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
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MarPep
User ID: 5980073 United States 12/24/2019 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival). More info needed on this if OP able to disclose. _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 12/24/2019 08:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival). Quoting: MarPep More info needed on this if OP able to disclose. Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room. There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects. They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
MarPep
User ID: 5980073 United States 12/24/2019 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival). Quoting: MarPep More info needed on this if OP able to disclose. Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room. There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects. They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front. Must have been a hell of a "stipend." _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 12/24/2019 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Basically, the participants volunteered to be killed. Such participants must have come from either a death-row or perhaps life-imprisonment sentence and received some type of reprieve if they volunteered---or they were suicidally depressed to the point of eagerly volunteering (which means they would have to fight to avoid possible revival). Quoting: MarPep More info needed on this if OP able to disclose. Do me a favor and take a moment to breathe before and after reading this. A lot of this stuff fills the room, with dread, with panic, and with all of the turmoil that come with those. The majority of DoD research is not an easy thing to cope with at first glance. War isn't a light research topic. Sometimes you need to move past the shock and just see it for what it is. There will still be plenty of anger left on this one, even without the elephant in the room. There is a prisoner pool, but it is used more commonly for medical, rather than psychological, projects. They used a preteen age group, primarily drawn from impoverished families in the local area. The families were led to believe the children were participating in a philanthropic cultural opportunity through Yale - a fully-funded chance to meet people with influence who could help them along their future career path, and to participate in swimming and other activities (swimming so they would come prepared with swimming suits and towels - a stipend was provided to pay for those items). It was a research recruitment front. Must have been a hell of a "stipend." It was roughly around $125. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |