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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64856764 United States 01/08/2020 05:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i disgree that Trump needed all this song and dance to leave Iraq with "credibility" I think he could just leave. so there's more to it. I also dont think we're leaving. If we do, we'll be back there soon with a big false flag. The "leaving" part will be for show to give Trump street cred as anti-war and following through on promises. don't worry we'd be back quickly. |
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(OP) User ID: 76722156 Sweden 01/08/2020 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i disgree that Trump needed all this song and dance to leave Iraq with "credibility" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64856764 I think he could just leave. so there's more to it. I also dont think we're leaving. If we do, we'll be back there soon with a big false flag. The "leaving" part will be for show to give Trump street cred as anti-war and following through on promises. don't worry we'd be back quickly. Of course there would not be total pull out, but with Soleimani gone the treat is less and requires less troops there. So a scale back is what Trump will do and call it a troop pullout and tick checkmark on a campaign promise. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62588273 United States 01/08/2020 06:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran vs USA the big trade Quoting: Muhajir Summary: Iran wanted to get rid of general Soleimani and Trump wants out of Middle east (Iraq) their interests coincided. So they made a deal, US Kills Soleimani and US starts to pull out troops. Win-Win That is the summary but for those wanting an in depth explanation, keep reading. Irans leader is old and fragile. The one that was being prepared to take over was Mullah Rafsanjani, the rich Mullah that have been loyal to Khomeini ideology since day one and had big influence in Tehran and the Mullahs. I write had, because he died Januari 2017. So now there is no clear successor to the Supreme leader and many Mullahs is jockeying for the position. Problem is many people in Iran have started to have large protest against the Islamic regime and specifically the Mullahs. General Soleimani was a loyal Khomeinist and the Mullahs saw him as a hero but he was also respected by the people, even those against the islamic regime. Soleimani was military general and seen as a patriotic figure and not religious mullah. So in case Khamanei the Iranian supreme leader died the Mullahs was afraid people would take the chance and protest in even larger numbers resisting a new mullah as supreme leader . And with no clear successor the military would intervene and install a compromise candidate. The only candidate acceptable to the religious fanatics and anti-religious population would be...General Soleimani. So the Mullahs that wants power in the hands of the religious elite and not to one outside the clerical sphere, wanted Soleimani dead. Trump was elected on the premise he was anti-war and one of his core promises was taking US troops out of "endless wars" in the middle east. Problem is doing so would make America look weak and endanger its reputation as loyal to its allies. Trump is nearing an election without keeping many of his promises, like building the wall with Mexican money, lock up Hillary and the swamp in prison or pulling home US troops from Middle east. What is a good excuse to bring toops home? If the country hosting the troops asks them to leave, of course. So here we have Iran that wants Soleimani dead and US troops out. And we have US president that wants US troops out and a terrorist enabler dead. Iran gets the General threatening the Mullahs position and instead gets US out of Iraq and total control of Iraq. US gets to kill a global terrorist enabler that have made life hard for US forces and it gets to take home its troops as it wants without looking weak, as killing Soleimani was a big power move. Interests coincided and a trade was made. Proof for what I'm saying? 1. Soleimani is a hard man to track and only deep Iran regime insiders would know his exact location at any given moment. 2. Taking him out was a very risky move if not preplanned by both parties. 3. Irans weak response 4. The letter that by "mistake" leaked about US US troops leaving iraq 5. Iran militias ordered not to hit back, no Hamas, no Hizbollah no Hashd have fired a single shot. 6. Embassy attack with hundreds of "protestors" attacking, that was excuse for killing Soleimani, was staged as no human alive can enter Green zone in Iraq without approval of Iraqi and US forces. This is an analysis by a person that have followed middle east politics and conflicts daily for 25 years and knows their culture and mentality. Sounds great - except once the Iranians make the full connection that their own leaders and US leaders are just playing 'shore up their power' kabuki together, hand in hand, and that it was THEY who sacrificed Soleimani, those protests will begin again - on the scale of the funeral masses we've just seen. Clock is ticking... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64856764 United States 01/08/2020 06:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran vs USA the big trade Quoting: Muhajir Summary: Iran wanted to get rid of general Soleimani and Trump wants out of Middle east (Iraq) their interests coincided. So they made a deal, US Kills Soleimani and US starts to pull out troops. Win-Win That is the summary but for those wanting an in depth explanation, keep reading. Irans leader is old and fragile. The one that was being prepared to take over was Mullah Rafsanjani, the rich Mullah that have been loyal to Khomeini ideology since day one and had big influence in Tehran and the Mullahs. I write had, because he died Januari 2017. So now there is no clear successor to the Supreme leader and many Mullahs is jockeying for the position. Problem is many people in Iran have started to have large protest against the Islamic regime and specifically the Mullahs. General Soleimani was a loyal Khomeinist and the Mullahs saw him as a hero but he was also respected by the people, even those against the islamic regime. Soleimani was military general and seen as a patriotic figure and not religious mullah. So in case Khamanei the Iranian supreme leader died the Mullahs was afraid people would take the chance and protest in even larger numbers resisting a new mullah as supreme leader . And with no clear successor the military would intervene and install a compromise candidate. The only candidate acceptable to the religious fanatics and anti-religious population would be...General Soleimani. So the Mullahs that wants power in the hands of the religious elite and not to one outside the clerical sphere, wanted Soleimani dead. Trump was elected on the premise he was anti-war and one of his core promises was taking US troops out of "endless wars" in the middle east. Problem is doing so would make America look weak and endanger its reputation as loyal to its allies. Trump is nearing an election without keeping many of his promises, like building the wall with Mexican money, lock up Hillary and the swamp in prison or pulling home US troops from Middle east. What is a good excuse to bring toops home? If the country hosting the troops asks them to leave, of course. So here we have Iran that wants Soleimani dead and US troops out. And we have US president that wants US troops out and a terrorist enabler dead. Iran gets the General threatening the Mullahs position and instead gets US out of Iraq and total control of Iraq. US gets to kill a global terrorist enabler that have made life hard for US forces and it gets to take home its troops as it wants without looking weak, as killing Soleimani was a big power move. Interests coincided and a trade was made. Proof for what I'm saying? 1. Soleimani is a hard man to track and only deep Iran regime insiders would know his exact location at any given moment. 2. Taking him out was a very risky move if not preplanned by both parties. 3. Irans weak response 4. The letter that by "mistake" leaked about US US troops leaving iraq 5. Iran militias ordered not to hit back, no Hamas, no Hizbollah no Hashd have fired a single shot. 6. Embassy attack with hundreds of "protestors" attacking, that was excuse for killing Soleimani, was staged as no human alive can enter Green zone in Iraq without approval of Iraqi and US forces. This is an analysis by a person that have followed middle east politics and conflicts daily for 25 years and knows their culture and mentality. Sounds great - except once the Iranians make the full connection that their own leaders and US leaders are just playing 'shore up their power' kabuki together, hand in hand, and that it was THEY who sacrificed Soleimani, those protests will begin again - on the scale of the funeral masses we've just seen. Clock is ticking... good points |
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(OP) User ID: 76722156 Sweden 01/08/2020 06:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds great - except once the Iranians make the full connection that their own leaders and US leaders are just playing 'shore up their power' kabuki together, hand in hand, and that it was THEY who sacrificed Soleimani, those protests will begin again - on the scale of the funeral masses we've just seen. Clock is ticking... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62588273 If course this only buys time for the Mullahs. Iranian people will protest in large sooner or later to topple the regime. But this makes it easier for the Mullah to find a Mullah that the military would accept as the military doesn't have its own candidate any longer. |
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Usmc1868 User ID: 68464619 United States 01/08/2020 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran vs USA the big trade Quoting: Muhajir Summary: Iran wanted to get rid of general Soleimani and Trump wants out of Middle east (Iraq) their interests coincided. So they made a deal, US Kills Soleimani and US starts to pull out troops. Win-Win That is the summary but for those wanting an in depth explanation, keep reading. Irans leader is old and fragile. The one that was being prepared to take over was Mullah Rafsanjani, the rich Mullah that have been loyal to Khomeini ideology since day one and had big influence in Tehran and the Mullahs. I write had, because he died Januari 2017. So now there is no clear successor to the Supreme leader and many Mullahs is jockeying for the position. Problem is many people in Iran have started to have large protest against the Islamic regime and specifically the Mullahs. General Soleimani was a loyal Khomeinist and the Mullahs saw him as a hero but he was also respected by the people, even those against the islamic regime. Soleimani was military general and seen as a patriotic figure and not religious mullah. So in case Khamanei the Iranian supreme leader died the Mullahs was afraid people would take the chance and protest in even larger numbers resisting a new mullah as supreme leader . And with no clear successor the military would intervene and install a compromise candidate. The only candidate acceptable to the religious fanatics and anti-religious population would be...General Soleimani. So the Mullahs that wants power in the hands of the religious elite and not to one outside the clerical sphere, wanted Soleimani dead. Trump was elected on the premise he was anti-war and one of his core promises was taking US troops out of "endless wars" in the middle east. Problem is doing so would make America look weak and endanger its reputation as loyal to its allies. Trump is nearing an election without keeping many of his promises, like building the wall with Mexican money, lock up Hillary and the swamp in prison or pulling home US troops from Middle east. What is a good excuse to bring toops home? If the country hosting the troops asks them to leave, of course. So here we have Iran that wants Soleimani dead and US troops out. And we have US president that wants US troops out and a terrorist enabler dead. Iran gets the General threatening the Mullahs position and instead gets US out of Iraq and total control of Iraq. US gets to kill a global terrorist enabler that have made life hard for US forces and it gets to take home its troops as it wants without looking weak, as killing Soleimani was a big power move. Interests coincided and a trade was made. Proof for what I'm saying? 1. Soleimani is a hard man to track and only deep Iran regime insiders would know his exact location at any given moment. 2. Taking him out was a very risky move if not preplanned by both parties. 3. Irans weak response 4. The letter that by "mistake" leaked about US US troops leaving iraq 5. Iran militias ordered not to hit back, no Hamas, no Hizbollah no Hashd have fired a single shot. 6. Embassy attack with hundreds of "protestors" attacking, that was excuse for killing Soleimani, was staged as no human alive can enter Green zone in Iraq without approval of Iraqi and US forces. This is an analysis by a person that have followed middle east politics and conflicts daily for 25 years and knows their culture and mentality. Yup! We gave them grid coordinates (dirt targets) to hit... Tell tale is that we did not respond with one surface to air battery. It's over Johnny! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76658155 Romania 01/08/2020 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There will be an oil crisis and fuell shortage that will force the implementation of the Climate Change Dictatorship. Thread: January 12, 2020: The Saturn – Pluto Conjunction & the start of WW3 Pluto is about underground resources, like oil & gas and it's colliding with Saturn which will bring restriction, shortage of these resources. Do We Need a Dictatorship to Respond to Climate Change? Most of what we in the techno-industrial world are doing now must be drastically curtailed or eliminated: the military, consumption-based economics, debt, animal agriculture, baby making, just to name a few. Don’t humans need to be forced to do the right thing, at literal gun point if need be? Some people think so. We’re damn cynical about the whole world here in the US, but not—I repeat not—for good reason. Our empire is declining and I surmise that the mood on a sinking ship is rarely festive. Our creative force here is depleted—materially and otherwise—and now we have our legacy to deal with: that we wasted our wealth on war. [link to www.counterpunch.org (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76658155 Romania 01/08/2020 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There will be an oil crisis and fuell shortage that will force the implementation of the Climate Change Dictatorship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76658155 Thread: January 12, 2020: The Saturn – Pluto Conjunction & the start of WW3 Pluto is about underground resources, like oil & gas and it's colliding with Saturn which will bring restriction, shortage of these resources. Do We Need a Dictatorship to Respond to Climate Change? Most of what we in the techno-industrial world are doing now must be drastically curtailed or eliminated: the military, consumption-based economics, debt, animal agriculture, baby making, just to name a few. Don’t humans need to be forced to do the right thing, at literal gun point if need be? Some people think so. We’re damn cynical about the whole world here in the US, but not—I repeat not—for good reason. Our empire is declining and I surmise that the mood on a sinking ship is rarely festive. Our creative force here is depleted—materially and otherwise—and now we have our legacy to deal with: that we wasted our wealth on war. [link to www.counterpunch.org (secure)] This war is staged by the agreement of freemasons from Iran and USA. Thread: Freemasonry in Iran ... Figure it out boys |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76722156 Sweden 01/08/2020 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But why take out Soleimani so dramatically? Quoting: Steamer Why not a more subtle ‘heart attack’ via poison or even a car bomb and nobody takes responsibility? I still don’t understand that part. Because it needed to be dramatic so Iraq government can take decision that's mission is over and US not welcome any more. Then US can pull out toops because host country says mission is over. |
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User ID: 78290081 United States 01/08/2020 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bush: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia. Obama: Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. Trump: Iran...? The globalist agenda continues. Presidents are PR stunts for the C_I_A and military industrial complex. Amazing how Obama and Clinton started all that shit, bombed hospitals and schools and weddings and liberals didn't care to notice. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
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Forum Administrator 01/08/2020 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very well thought out, and you make an interesting argument with supporting facts. Quoting: Riff-Raff Wonder if we'll ever know the truth. Thank you. Middle east politics is a hobby of mine since 25 years ago. I hope this wakes people up to how things go. Its business and no feelings, you give me I give you mentality. Thank you, Muhajir! This was a good read. Great points. T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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User ID: 78290081 United States 01/08/2020 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama was elected on the same Anti war premise. But he turned 3 wars into 7. He used three times as much Special Forces than ‘Bush W.’, twice as many strikes on countries that are predominantly Muslim. This is a war complex that is bigger than the office of the potus. I appreciate the optimism but historic facts prove a different narrative. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74682890 United States 01/08/2020 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran vs USA the big trade Quoting: Muhajir Summary: Iran wanted to get rid of general Soleimani and Trump wants out of Middle east (Iraq) their interests coincided. So they made a deal, US Kills Soleimani and US starts to pull out troops. Win-Win That is the summary but for those wanting an in depth explanation, keep reading. Irans leader is old and fragile. The one that was being prepared to take over was Mullah Rafsanjani, the rich Mullah that have been loyal to Khomeini ideology since day one and had big influence in Tehran and the Mullahs. I write had, because he died Januari 2017. So now there is no clear successor to the Supreme leader and many Mullahs is jockeying for the position. Problem is many people in Iran have started to have large protest against the Islamic regime and specifically the Mullahs. General Soleimani was a loyal Khomeinist and the Mullahs saw him as a hero but he was also respected by the people, even those against the islamic regime. Soleimani was military general and seen as a patriotic figure and not religious mullah. So in case Khamanei the Iranian supreme leader died the Mullahs was afraid people would take the chance and protest in even larger numbers resisting a new mullah as supreme leader . And with no clear successor the military would intervene and install a compromise candidate. The only candidate acceptable to the religious fanatics and anti-religious population would be...General Soleimani. So the Mullahs that wants power in the hands of the religious elite and not to one outside the clerical sphere, wanted Soleimani dead. Trump was elected on the premise he was anti-war and one of his core promises was taking US troops out of "endless wars" in the middle east. Problem is doing so would make America look weak and endanger its reputation as loyal to its allies. Trump is nearing an election without keeping many of his promises, like building the wall with Mexican money, lock up Hillary and the swamp in prison or pulling home US troops from Middle east. What is a good excuse to bring toops home? If the country hosting the troops asks them to leave, of course. So here we have Iran that wants Soleimani dead and US troops out. And we have US president that wants US troops out and a terrorist enabler dead. Iran gets the General threatening the Mullahs position and instead gets US out of Iraq and total control of Iraq. US gets to kill a global terrorist enabler that have made life hard for US forces and it gets to take home its troops as it wants without looking weak, as killing Soleimani was a big power move. Interests coincided and a trade was made. Proof for what I'm saying? 1. Soleimani is a hard man to track and only deep Iran regime insiders would know his exact location at any given moment. 2. Taking him out was a very risky move if not preplanned by both parties. 3. Irans weak response 4. The letter that by "mistake" leaked about US US troops leaving iraq 5. Iran militias ordered not to hit back, no Hamas, no Hizbollah no Hashd have fired a single shot. 6. Embassy attack with hundreds of "protestors" attacking, that was excuse for killing Soleimani, was staged as no human alive can enter Green zone in Iraq without approval of Iraqi and US forces. This is an analysis by a person that have followed middle east politics and conflicts daily for 25 years and knows their culture and mentality. very plausible |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77999704 Canada 01/08/2020 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Iran vs USA the big trade Quoting: Muhajir Summary: Iran wanted to get rid of general Soleimani and Trump wants out of Middle east (Iraq) their interests coincided. So they made a deal, US Kills Soleimani and US starts to pull out troops. Win-Win Proof for what I'm saying? 1. Soleimani is a hard man to track and only deep Iran regime insiders would know his exact location at any given moment. This is an analysis by a person that have followed middle east politics and conflicts daily for 25 years and knows their culture and mentality. I've seen a few things on the Israeli side and I get what you are saying. At the start of the 2nd Intifada, PLO security and Israeli Shin Bet were swapping hit lists and taking care of business for each other. Still... that's a big hero to kill. If the mullahs have any faith in God, how would they justify their actions when they meet Him? |