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U.S.-Iran Cyber War - Iran plane shoot down - Iran defense systems - "Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster

 
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The Invisible U.S.-Iran Cyber War
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Sustained U.S. cyber activities against Iran are widely traced to a covert campaign code-named Operation Olympic Games. Started in 2006 under the Bush administration, the program targeted Iranian nuclear capabilities. President Obama expanded Olympic Games to include the use of offensive cyber weapons against Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities. In 2010, the Stuxnet virus, allegedly designed by the United States and Israel, seriously damaged the Natanz uranium enrichment facility.

In June 2019, the Trump administration retaliated against Iran’s downing of a U.S. drone with a cyberattack on a Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) database used to plan attacks on tankers. The United States struck again in September 2019 after Iran allegedly launched drones and cruise missiles on two Saudi oil facilities. Iran, in turn, has ramped up its efforts to penetrate U.S. “soft” targets and email accounts.
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June 2019


7:30 p.m.

Officials say U.S. military cyber forces earlier this week launched a retaliatory cyber strike against Iranian computer systems amid escalating tensions between the two countries.

Three U.S. officials tell The Associated Press that the operation on Thursday evening disabled Iranian computer systems that controlled Iran’s rocket and missile launchers.

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The usual "officials spoke on condition of anonymity bullshit applies.

Pass the salt.
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Updated article correcting the target so there's that.


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This story has been updated to correct the target of the U.S. cyber strike on Iran. It was a computer database used to plan attacks on oil tankers, not computer systems to control rocket and missile launches.
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The Iranian military is now blaming the US (again) for the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752, after it admitted that IRGC commanders shot the plane out of the sky last week, and in the wake of a new video emerging showing a SECOND missile was fired at the civilian airliner.

Iran Guardian Council chairman Ahmad Jannati stated Wednesday that “enemy sabotage” cannot be ruled out, while Brigadier General Ali Abdollahi directly suggested that US military forces hacked Iran’s radar systems to make it appear that the airliner, containing 176 people, was an incoming missile.

Abdollahi also seemed to suggest that the US military hackers could have actually shot down the plane as part of a cyber attack to make Iran look bad, according to the report.

After initially claiming “mechanical error” caused the plane to crash, then admitting they shot it down ‘by mistake’ after evidence of a missile strike could no longer be denied, Iran has now pivoted back to directly blaming the US.

There is no evidence that the US took any military or other action in Iran on the evening the airliner was struck.

Iran’s flip-flopping comes after intense protests over the airliner downing and attempted cover-up, and the emergence of a new video showing a second ‘kill shot’ missile was fired, throwing the ‘mistake’ explanation into serious doubt.

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Thread: Iranian Military Now Claims US "Cyberattack" Brought Down Passenger Plane

The plot thickens.

Speculative article by ZH, based on new Iranian claims

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bump Great thread, Opie.
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TWO POSSIBILITIES how things may have been manipulated in the background so the Iranians shot the plane down

1. The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or "spoofed," permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control. The United States Navy and Air Force reportedly have developed technologies “that can fool enemy radar systems with false and deceptively moving targets." Fooling the system also means fooling the operator. The Guardian has also reported independently how the United States military has long been developing systems that can from a distance alter the electronics and targeting of Iran’s available missiles.

2. The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability.
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TWO POSSIBILITIES how things may have been manipulated in the background so the Iranians shot the plane down

1. The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or "spoofed," permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control. The United States Navy and Air Force reportedly have developed technologies “that can fool enemy radar systems with false and deceptively moving targets." Fooling the system also means fooling the operator. The Guardian has also reported independently how the United States military has long been developing systems that can from a distance alter the electronics and targeting of Iran’s available missiles.

2. The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability.
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Thanks for chiming in, I'm stoked someone has finally done so :)

Could be either, or something else.

Scenario 1 I like, (I'm obviously speculating, but I like it as it supports my theory bias)

Scenario 2 doesn't address that if a transponder can be spoofed or masked, the transponder is for plane identification and location. Transponders are separate to basic radar signatures, and the Iranians have stated the plane was identified as a hostile target, which is a world away from saying unidentified.
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bump Great thread, Opie.
 Quoting: In Yer Neck


Thanks for dropping by, much appreciated.

It's been a bit quiet in here lol
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It's gone Wild Weasel...

The Suter ELINT systems we have today, created by the Air Force’s “Big Safari” program, have advanced much further since 2007. They can secretly invade and control an enemy’s air defense radar systems, move their sensors and create a blind spot, and show normal air traffic screens while our fighters, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or bombers are approaching their targets undetected. We can show them recordings of normal air traffic patterns from last week. We can also show them screens with unidentified aircraft coming at them when none exist in their airspace.

Just understand that in 6GW, we are getting inside our enemy’s OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act). Once inside, we can control what they see and hear, what they think, what they decide, and what they do, all to our advantage.st

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“Suter beams electronic pulses into the antennas that effectively corrupt, if not hijack, the enemy processing systems.”


Corruption of an ADS network does not involve actual control over the system or its components, but rather the insertion of misleading data. In conceptual terms, such false positives, including the fabrication of phantom targets and fake messages, are the most traditional form of corruption.

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It's gone Wild Weasel...

The Suter ELINT systems we have today, created by the Air Force’s “Big Safari” program, have advanced much further since 2007. They can secretly invade and control an enemy’s air defense radar systems, move their sensors and create a blind spot, and show normal air traffic screens while our fighters, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or bombers are approaching their targets undetected. We can show them recordings of normal air traffic patterns from last week. We can also show them screens with unidentified aircraft coming at them when none exist in their airspace.

Just understand that in 6GW, we are getting inside our enemy’s OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act). Once inside, we can control what they see and hear, what they think, what they decide, and what they do, all to our advantage.st

[link to mil-embedded.com]
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“Suter beams electronic pulses into the antennas that effectively corrupt, if not hijack, the enemy processing systems.”


Corruption of an ADS network does not involve actual control over the system or its components, but rather the insertion of misleading data. In conceptual terms, such false positives, including the fabrication of phantom targets and fake messages, are the most traditional form of corruption.

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 Quoting: In Yer Neck


Exactly.

There is a lot more to it than what the official narrative would have us believe.

Match this up with the no bullshit approach Trump possesses, his political track record as a disrupter, and the observed Iran denial, then a sudden about face, along with published military articles on tech that by appearance MAY have been deployed, and the fact the Iranians were unable to identify a commercial passenger jet on ascent on a know flight path at 8000ft, they been stated they identified it as a hostile target, and the questions I posed may have some validity.

Exactly what happened we will probably never know.

In Ya Neck, thanks for the info mate.

I like your style

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Cheers

I was looking at it last night, but got sidetracked by 9/11 stuff.

On a slightly off topic note, have you seen any photos or videos of seats in the wreckage? Keeps bugging me that I havent.

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Cheers

I was looking at it last night, but got sidetracked by 9/11 stuff.

On a slightly off topic note, have you seen any photos or videos of seats in the wreckage? Keeps bugging me that I havent.
 Quoting: In Yer Neck


Haven't seen any seats in the wreckage, but TBH I wasn't really looking for them.

There is security camera footage of something seat like at high speed as it impacted, but it lasts a fraction of a second...

The vid is getting hard to find, been scouting around and nada
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