"GREEN ENERGY" MYTH BUSTED - 50,000 tons of used wind turbine blades in the landfill | |
Eggcellently Deplorable
Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 77961993 United States 01/13/2020 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said to build homeless shelters out of them years ago. But no doubt they off-gas some horrible shit like those FEMA trailers from Katrina. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11376882 Hey! I know! Throw them into the Pacific! "Out of sight, out of mind, right?! After the 2011 Tohoku EQ that floating mass of crap is as big as the CONUS! What a cluster-fuck! The same people who brought you that huge mass of shit in the Pacific, and the wind blade/turbine debacle are the same people who are bringing this BS Deep State crap. THEN, they blame it all on us, the people! THEN they claim that's the reason the world needs drastic population controls. It's all such bullshit and the fake MSM are their stormtroopers! ARG! And they just took away our plastic grocery bags! "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Eggcellently Deplorable
Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 77961993 United States 01/13/2020 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my buddy drives around changing oil in these all day long. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77726703 they use a lot of oil. for lubrication of the transmission; Like any"waste oil" it can be re-refined or just re-used as fuel oil for burning. OMG! Burning!!! OOOOOOh, but but but... The CARBON!!!! The AIR POLLUTION!!! Just stop it all! Baaaaad, bad humans!!! In the "old days" people would take that sort of oil (and used automobile oil) and spread it on the dirt and gravel roads to keep the dust down in the summertime. "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52319946 Canada 01/13/2020 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I was young, we used paper bags. Then we had to stop using those to 'Save the Trees'. Now we have to stop using plastic to 'Save the Planet', but f** the trees! How long before we cry about 'Saving the Trees' again? I give it 3-5 years. |
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Mental Case
User ID: 77633698 United States 01/13/2020 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How much electricity, oil, and coal are burned to manufacture one wind turbine? Quoting: Mental Case It takes about 3 years for a windmill to generate more energy than what it took to build. OK...then what about maintenance? What amount of energy goes into maintaining a wind turbine? I'm trying to get a good idea of total energy returned on energy invested. What about maintenance of a regular power plant? It's similar. Wind power isn't going to solve our energy problems, but I just get frustrated when I see people insinuating that somehow it doesn't work. Texas generates 17% of the power it uses with wind, the equivalent of about 4 large nuclear power plants. I'm not insinuating anything...I'm trying to figure out energy returned on energy invested (remove $ from the equation). If it ends up to be 1 to 1...then there is no reason to build wind turbines for the purpose of creating energy...because it doesn't. It's just converting one form of energy to another. If it's better than 1 to 1 than there is a reason to use them. If I am going to be damned...I am going to be damned for who I really am! |
Redcat1
Redcat User ID: 78210603 United States 01/13/2020 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets see if this "green energy" holds up if GE is forced to pay for the 'blade disposable'. BTW, see where blades that separate in operation have killed people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53199845 United States 01/13/2020 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The wind turbine blades are a toxic amalgam of unique composites, fiberglass, epoxy, polyvinyl chloride foam, polyethylene terephthalate foam, balsa wood, and polyurethane coatings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76081393 Thanks Greta <<Less than 50%>> [link to www.desmoinesregister.com (secure)] "The problem with recycling blades, Laird said, is that there is no easy way to separate the materials used to make it." Once the composite materials are "layed up" or arranged in the mold, layer by layer, they end up being "cured" which is almost like melting the whole mess together into a single part. Trying to disassemble this and recycle the unique parts would be a nightmare. There is some testing being done to chop the blades into tiny pieces and use the resulting pulverized material in concrete. But this is difficult due to the sheer size of the blades and is probably not going to be cost effective. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76161085 United States 01/13/2020 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Burying Plutonium is so much better, right OP? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Lol burying used wind turbines is still 1000 times cleaner than burying used nuclear fuel you dummy True and possibly not. I’m sure there is a formula for the amount of power generation vs waste. My thinking is that nuclear produces a whole lot for each bit of waste it produces. Wind probably is more wasteful with fossil fuels being most wasteful. So, I would think wind is a little cleaner for your buck if they last 15ish years. |
beeches
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76161085 United States 01/13/2020 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment |
BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States 01/13/2020 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76161085 How many tons of diesel is burned to mine the ore?? I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Jeramiah Johnson
User ID: 78336473 United States 01/13/2020 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: R. Wordsworth It takes about 3 years for a windmill to generate more energy than what it took to build. OK...then what about maintenance? What amount of energy goes into maintaining a wind turbine? I'm trying to get a good idea of total energy returned on energy invested. What about maintenance of a regular power plant? It's similar. Wind power isn't going to solve our energy problems, but I just get frustrated when I see people insinuating that somehow it doesn't work. Texas generates 17% of the power it uses with wind, the equivalent of about 4 large nuclear power plants. I'm not insinuating anything...I'm trying to figure out energy returned on energy invested (remove $ from the equation). If it ends up to be 1 to 1...then there is no reason to build wind turbines for the purpose of creating energy...because it doesn't. It's just converting one form of energy to another. If it's better than 1 to 1 than there is a reason to use them. Tee Boon (Loon) Pick Ens bought all of the land in Texas to put "wind farms" on them. He then claimed he "owned the Ogallala Aquifer" and anyone that had a well drilled that tapped into it "owed him money". I knew of a few people that had wells and Tee Loon had meters installed without even telling them. I believe they took him to court and had to remove the meters, but it's all about money - less about the environment. [link to jalopnik.com (secure)] "You can't judge a REAL MAN by his looks, height or weight. You can only judge him by the depth of his soul, the content of his character, and the size of his heart." - Me. |
Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 76933812 Chile 01/13/2020 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello OP: I am not a "libtard", nor a "closet liberal" as some knee jerk rection prone champs will probably try to imply or say after reading what I am going to state, bear that in mind. I am a good ole conservative in my own country, thus I have a keen eye for calling bullshit when I see it. You are horrified by the 50.000 tons of used turbine blades that were sent to the landfill, but you are missing the horror for the close to 130+ million tons of coal ash (that is 130.000.000 tons) that were produced in the year 2014 (who knows how much higher is that number now) and that are riddled with contaminants like mercury, cadmium and arsenic in some of their more toxic to life chemical forms. Humans have many technological alternatives to fossil fuels that are much better than "renewables" and infinitely much better that "fossil fuels". That's the knowledge we need to be aware of instead of fighting against the green eco fantasy of "renewables". We need to push for the paradigm shifting, scarcity ending forms of energy that are known and actively supressed by the stablishment to keep us enslaved and maintain the master's beloved hegemony that allows them to be on top. I am talking about Cold Fusion, Water as fuel, Self organizing plasma and all these things that were known since the times of Tesla and have been kept out of reach and in a permanent state of myth and denial, and marginalizing, ridiculing and even killing every person that has dared try to develop these technologies that would truly free us from the current sistemic tiranny. These were issues that GLP used to talk about years ago, and now are lost amidst the huge storm of political "us vs them" bullshit. Divide and conquer has worked in the benefit of Poly-Ticks like clockwork since the dawn of our current "civilization". All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 01/13/2020 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76161085 Nuclear may generate clean electricity at first but it is dirty in an explosion and hard to store safely over a long duration of time. Unfortunately there are about 100 aging reactors in the USA alone. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 01/13/2020 06:36 PM Achduke |
Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 76933812 Chile 01/13/2020 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76161085 Nuclear may generate clean electricity at first but it is dirty in an explosion and hard to store safely over a long duration of time. Unfortunately there are about 400 aging reactors in the USA alone. Nuclear can be made much safer if it weren’t for the fact that it was developed mainly for nuclear weapons. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors were Successfully developed And tested in the 1960s but then binned, of which the only real justification is that this technology hasn’t potential for weapons grade fissile material production as by products. The waste issue can also be treated with Technologies that are marginalized and suppressed (HHO and cavitation have been shown And published to do so since the 1990’s). Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 01/13/2020 06:44 PM All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
Achduke7
User ID: 78023456 United States 01/13/2020 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76161085 Nuclear may generate clean electricity at first but it is dirty in an explosion and hard to store safely over a long duration of time. Unfortunately there are about 400 aging reactors in the USA alone. Nuclear can be made much safer if it weren’t for the fact that it was developed mainly for nuclear weapons. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors were Successfully developed And tested in the 1960s but then binned, of which the only real justification is that this technology hasn’t potential for weapons grade fissile material production as by products. The waste issue can also be treated with Technologies that are marginalized and suppressed (HHO and cavitation have been shown And published to do so since the 1990’s). I would only be favor of nuclear if they had a passive design where you could pull the plug and the reactor would not run anymore without any outside means and also they had a good solution for the waste storage. Achduke |
beeches
(OP) User ID: 77354011 United States 01/13/2020 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello OP: Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe I am not a "libtard", nor a "closet liberal" as some knee jerk rection prone champs will probably try to imply or say after reading what I am going to state, bear that in mind. I am a good ole conservative in my own country, thus I have a keen eye for calling bullshit when I see it. You are horrified by the 50.000 tons of used turbine blades that were sent to the landfill, but you are missing the horror for the close to 130+ million tons of coal ash (that is 130.000.000 tons) that were produced in the year 2014 (who knows how much higher is that number now) and that are riddled with contaminants like mercury, cadmium and arsenic in some of their more toxic to life chemical forms. Humans have many technological alternatives to fossil fuels that are much better than "renewables" and infinitely much better that "fossil fuels". That's the knowledge we need to be aware of instead of fighting against the green eco fantasy of "renewables". We need to push for the paradigm shifting, scarcity ending forms of energy that are known and actively supressed by the stablishment to keep us enslaved and maintain the master's beloved hegemony that allows them to be on top. I am talking about Cold Fusion, Water as fuel, Self organizing plasma and all these things that were known since the times of Tesla and have been kept out of reach and in a permanent state of myth and denial, and marginalizing, ridiculing and even killing every person that has dared try to develop these technologies that would truly free us from the current sistemic tiranny. These were issues that GLP used to talk about years ago, and now are lost amidst the huge storm of political "us vs them" bullshit. Divide and conquer has worked in the benefit of Poly-Ticks like clockwork since the dawn of our current "civilization". Hello Chili! I was horrified? glad you were there discussing the thread with me before I posted it! Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
oniongrass
User ID: 78249263 United States 01/14/2020 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The wind turbine blades are a toxic amalgam of unique composites, fiberglass, epoxy, polyvinyl chloride foam, polyethylene terephthalate foam, balsa wood, and polyurethane coatings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76081393 Thanks Greta Couldn't they make almost as efficient ones out of just aluminum? Then they would be repairable and recyclable. . DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX! ____________ There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire. But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5) |
oniongrass
User ID: 78249263 United States 01/14/2020 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nuclear is probably the cleanest energy we have besides probably solar as far as power generation vs waste. People in the U.S. are against it because of the potential for disaster. Cuz when there is an accident; it’s really really bad for the environment Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76161085 Nuclear may generate clean electricity at first but it is dirty in an explosion and hard to store safely over a long duration of time. Unfortunately there are about 400 aging reactors in the USA alone. Nuclear can be made much safer if it weren’t for the fact that it was developed mainly for nuclear weapons. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors were Successfully developed And tested in the 1960s but then binned, of which the only real justification is that this technology hasn’t potential for weapons grade fissile material production as by products. The waste issue can also be treated with Technologies that are marginalized and suppressed (HHO and cavitation have been shown And published to do so since the 1990’s). I would only be favor of nuclear if they had a passive design where you could pull the plug and the reactor would not run anymore without any outside means and also they had a good solution for the waste storage. Thorium or other molten salt technology does just what you ask. Trump said early in his term that he wanted to develop this sort of technology. . DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX! ____________ There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire. But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5) |
Digital mix guy
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Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 78344408 Chile 01/14/2020 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Achduke7 Thorium or other molten salt technology does just what you ask. Trump said early in his term that he wanted to develop this sort of technology. And this only begets the question of why aren’t we using this widely already. [link to www.power-eng.com (secure)] All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53199845 United States 01/14/2020 06:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The wind turbine blades are a toxic amalgam of unique composites, fiberglass, epoxy, polyvinyl chloride foam, polyethylene terephthalate foam, balsa wood, and polyurethane coatings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76081393 Thanks Greta Couldn't they make almost as efficient ones out of just aluminum? Then they would be repairable and recyclable. Depends what you mean by efficient. Same aerodynamic capabilities? Sure. But the weight would be a lot more and so the towers, rotor head, etc would need to be stronger. And it would take a LOT more time to manufacture. And the strength of the composite blades would still be much greater. If you look at old style aluminum rotor blades for helicopters you can see the designs that would work but again, weight and cost (material & manufacturing) would be prohibitive. |
Achduke7
User ID: 69637911 United States 01/14/2020 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe And this only begets the question of why aren’t we using this widely already. [link to www.power-eng.com (secure)] Sounds like fusion they are always several billion dollars away from being fully researched. Also they still produce uranium 233 and the waste is hot for 500 years which is better then 10,000 years but I will not be alive for either and prefer not to radiate the neighborhood for 500 years. Achduke |
Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 78344408 Chile 01/14/2020 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Achduke7 Sounds like fusion they are always several billion dollars away from being fully researched. Also they still produce uranium 233 and the waste is hot for 500 years which is better then 10,000 years but I will not be alive for either and prefer not to radiate the neighborhood for 500 years. ... You just made me snort coffee out my nose with that. Comparing LTFR technology, which was successfully tested decades ago to pilot scale at Oak Ridge, with the pipe dream of hot fusion. That really made me laugh hard. Good one! Last Edited by Red Hot Chilean Pepe on 01/14/2020 08:57 AM All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
Doc User ID: 78321269 United States 01/14/2020 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You gave me tons of questions to answer. Uranium fuel cycle is just a storage battery. It takes tons of energy to make fuel rods. That is why TVA and BPA has all those dams. I like those thoruim thermal ball reactors and the thoruim fuel cycle. One of the states in the Midwest has rest stops made of failed turbine blades. They make great shade structures. These blades can be shrewd into nice light weight rebar substitute. Think of the carbon fibers like the old asbestos cement. Coal ash makes a good cement replacement or additive. In high alkali cements it will prevent alkali silica reactivity. Recycling bottles we used to use a portable rotary impact crusher, screen them down to minus 1/8 inch, it became a sand replacement in concrete and blacktop. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3221380 United States 01/15/2020 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great article makes a lot of sense especially what to do with the,leftover blades. Quoting: redhed6971 I think the link is great, exhaustive in detail, and with great graphics that is why the shills are out so fast! The shills just react, they don’t read anything. shills makin the bill |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78481610 Albania 02/16/2020 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would only be favor of nuclear if they had a passive design where you could pull the plug and the reactor would not run anymore without any outside means and also they had a good solution for the waste storage. Thorium or other molten salt technology does just what you ask. Trump said early in his term that he wanted to develop this sort of technology. And this only begets the question of why aren’t we using this widely already. [link to www.power-eng.com (secure)] Sounds like fusion they are always several billion dollars away from being fully researched. Also they still produce uranium 233 and the waste is hot for 500 years which is better then 10,000 years but I will not be alive for either and prefer not to radiate the neighborhood for 500 years. I would only be favor of nuclear if they had a passive design where you could pull the plug and the reactor would not run anymore without any outside means and also they had a good solution for the waste storage. Quoting: Achduke7 Thorium or other molten salt technology does just what you ask. Trump said early in his term that he wanted to develop this sort of technology. And this only begets the question of why aren’t we using this widely already. [link to www.power-eng.com (secure)] Sounds like fusion they are always several billion dollars away from being fully researched. Also they still produce uranium 233 and the waste is hot for 500 years which is better then 10,000 years but I will not be alive for either and prefer not to radiate the neighborhood for 500 years. You just made me snort coffee out my nose with that. Comparing LTFR technology, which was successfully tested decades ago to pilot scale at Oak Ridge, with the pipe dream of hot fusion. That really made me laugh hard. Good one! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78482456 Australia 02/19/2020 06:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Burying Plutonium is so much better, right OP? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Lol burying used wind turbines is still 1000 times cleaner than burying used nuclear fuel you dummy True and possibly not. I’m sure there is a formula for the amount of power generation vs waste. My thinking is that nuclear produces a whole lot for each bit of waste it produces. Wind probably is more wasteful with fossil fuels being most wasteful. So, I would think wind is a little cleaner for your buck if they last 15ish years. The waste nuclear produces isn't just waste - it's pure, concentrated eternal death. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77505643 United States 10/08/2020 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | recycling is a net harm has always been, and always will be. it only benefits those who are gullible enough to think it is "doing good" and the pockets of tax money guzzlers Recycling industries have to have an infrastructure in place with specific products or some sort of bulk storage and logistics for ready to use clean materials. Metals are very easily recycled as there is a scrap metals and aluminum reprocessing industry just about everywhere within short shipping distances. Glass is easily sorted and crushed. This material can be bulk stored and sold to bottle companies. Problem is that there are very few bottle producing companies and the price to ship this material outweighs the price of virgin sand. The logistics of stockpiling doesn't work out unless there are localized industries that can process bulk glass into reflective adjuncts, aggregate materials, or small industry glass products. Plastics have various recycling purposes. PET and such is easily shredded, cleaned, and reprocessed into pellets for beverage containers. Other stuff is a bit more challenging. Bulk type containers such as pots and bins, melted plastic type extruded or molded block or pavers, composite building materials are all useful products that can readily be made. But, the production facilities have to be localized and when a production facility is set up like this, it will lose the economy of scale of having a central main production factory.. The best practice for recyclable materials is to minimize their use to begin with. Produce more durable goods and use more renewable materials for disposable packaging and goods. Engineer disposable goods to be non-toxic and biodegradible. In manufacturing of these durable goods such as wind blades, the thought in engineering should be geared toward longest useful life, end of life alternative uses, and logistics of replacement parts. That is where the failure is with these wind blades. Lack of forethought. Can these blades be repurposed for other uses? Can they be ground into an aggregate material for roads and concrete? Can the structure of the material be milled into building materials? Can the blades be cut into block? How about grinding them up and then cast with fresh resins into new blades or composite products? Thoughts? the best resource for many thoughts on the failure (admitted by its earliest promoters) of recycling is in the recycling thread in my OP. Will link here too. Thread: wanna 'save' the planet? BAN RECYCLING (Page 6) they unleashed a nightmare of unintended consequences on society and the Earth. or perhaps intended consequences.... they admit the brainwashing of the population to support recycling was a way to see how far it could go... knowing that any possible benefits of recycling would not be realized for many decades, if ever. update: How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Would Be Recycled [link to www.npr.org (secure)] |