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User ID: 73159854 United States 01/14/2020 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Both of my parents were suckered into getting the double strength flu shot since they are in their 70's. Both ended up with the flu. Quoting: crimsonskylar God that pisses me off Have you seen the tv commercial for this double dose? It just feels deceptive the whole way through. I don't know how anyone in their right mind can sit back and think that's a good idea. Creepy. Yeah I've seen it. The evil creeps through, for sure. Like they're blatantly telling us that they want to kill old people. Sick. There's never a dull moment here on planet earth, unless GLP ceased to exist... Oh, and Biden can't dress himself.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70279414 United States 01/14/2020 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SAN DIEGO - The Centers for Disease Control have sent out a warning about a new strain of flu that current vaccines may not be effective against. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The strain hasn't been reported in San Diego County, and it is not clear if it is contagious, but if it turns out that it is, local doctors say the flu shot will likely not be able to protect people against it. "If there's a strain that begins to circulate in the community that's new, that won't be covered by the vaccine," said Dr. John Bradley, chief of infectious disease at Rady Children's Hospital. "It takes about a year, once a new strain has been identified, to create a vaccine for that new strain." The news comes during an already active flu season. Bradley said the number of people getting sick with the flu has risen. However, the number flu deaths is down so far this year. [link to fox5sandiego.com (secure)] Absolutely true, I work in a hospital and either take the shot, or wear a mask for 4 months. This year, many of us have had influenza-A. In fact, many of us have had multiple illnesses this year. |
Vision Thing
User ID: 76192216 United States 01/14/2020 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you noticed that no one ever says they have a cold any more, they only say the flu. Like you can't have a cold any more if you do you're committing some kind of crime because you refused your shot. Years ago I made a prediction: "they're going to make it illegal to be sick." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78023271 United Kingdom 01/14/2020 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SAN DIEGO - The Centers for Disease Control have sent out a warning about a new strain of flu that current vaccines may not be effective against. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The strain hasn't been reported in San Diego County, and it is not clear if it is contagious, but if it turns out that it is, local doctors say the flu shot will likely not be able to protect people against it. "If there's a strain that begins to circulate in the community that's new, that won't be covered by the vaccine," said Dr. John Bradley, chief of infectious disease at Rady Children's Hospital. "It takes about a year, once a new strain has been identified, to create a vaccine for that new strain." The news comes during an already active flu season. Bradley said the number of people getting sick with the flu has risen. However, the number flu deaths is down so far this year. [link to fox5sandiego.com (secure)] I don't understand how some people on this thread have never had flu for decades!!! And others suggesting dilligence over hand washing is the key,well believe me there is no one who is as OCD over washing hands as me but I have had flu tons of times. It's nigh impossible to avoid sneezed shitty particles in enclosed places like jets,underground,buses,busy malls etc.Not everybody is as civilised when it comes to caring about others ie some pigs sneeze out their disease with pure infignance. What I would like to know what these people who never have flu is" What on Earth do you or use to keep your immunity cast iron.because believe me I've gone down the supplement pathway avoided people using a mask all to no avail |
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J to the 3rd User ID: 78129343 Switzerland 01/14/2020 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So it is partially effective it seems. Since it is not an exact match but still a partial match, the mutated strain may still be identified by your immune system as a ‘partial match’ and reduce how long your are sick once the mutated virus reaches your lymph nodes a day after. Then the memory T cells in your lymph nodes generated by the vaccine may help identify the mutated strain and how to destroy it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78307663 I think the big improvement in vaccines will be to create memory T Cells that can identify multiple viruses and mutations. That could lead to a universal flu vaccine. gtfo shill . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74632837 United States 01/14/2020 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A flu shot does not prevent getting the flu it just lessens the effects of the flu for some people. The young and the old are the lest helped by the flu vaccine, the most likely to be harmed by it. ., source US Surgeon General years ago. |
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User ID: 78244590 United Kingdom 01/14/2020 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So a carer has the vaccination ..for a couple of years after each injection her husband catches it .....then it spreads .. I wonder what would happen if no one had the vaccine? ..besides the drug company making no money of course .. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75583697 United States 01/14/2020 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the virus mutates to fast for the immunization to be effective in most cases Quoting: Coastie Patriot No, if that was true vaccines would be useless and flu deaths would rise to the levels of prevaccine levels. In other words, adjusted for population growth a bad flu outbreak would kill millions in the USA alone. It's not a secret that the medical community takes a look at early strains showing up, which spread the easiest etc etc, then pick one and develop a vaccine. Nothing has to mutate, just a different strain is the flu. Oddly usually, not always, even the wrong vaccine may, may, give you a better chance in fighting it. Not immune, but assist your immune system. May, not always... |
Doomer1981
User ID: 75600724 United States 01/14/2020 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Never in my life have I ever or will ever get a Flu Shot. Its been over 10 years since I have gotten the Flu and my time came on this past Saturday. Shit hit me like a ton of bricks. Was down for 3 days. I'm up moving now and seems like I broke the fever mid day yesterday. Now my throat is fucked. Not sure if from vomiting or something more is going on. I'll give it a few more days and see if it goes away. Doomer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73641902 United States 01/14/2020 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the virus mutates to fast for the immunization to be effective in most cases Quoting: Coastie Patriot No, if that was true vaccines would be useless and flu deaths would rise to the levels of prevaccine levels. In other words, adjusted for population growth a bad flu outbreak would kill millions in the USA alone. It's not a secret that the medical community takes a look at early strains showing up, which spread the easiest etc etc, then pick one and develop a vaccine. Nothing has to mutate, just a different strain is the flu. Oddly usually, not always, even the wrong vaccine may, may, give you a better chance in fighting it. Not immune, but assist your immune system. May, not always... Research says otherwise. [link to www.focusforhealth.org (secure)] Influenza vaccination has had no effect on seasonal flu mortality rates in the United States.10 If the vaccine works at all, it is preventing only the less severe cases of flu, not the cases that kill. A 2014 evidence based meta-analysis of 90 published efficacy studies concluded that vaccine efficacy is moderate at best, and that, on average, 71 people need to be vaccinated to prevent a single case of laboratory-confirmed influenza.11 From an individual benefit perspective, this means a person needs to be vaccinated for influenza every year for 71 years in order to avoid the flu one time. Additionally, seasonal flu vaccine formulations have the capacity to enhance influenza infections, making the disease more severe and potentially life-threatening. In 2009, Canadian government researchers reported evidence that seasonal influenza vaccination increased the risk and severity of pandemic influenza type A (H1N1) illness.12,13 At the time, CDC director Thomas Frieden denied the connection 14, but in 2013, the FDA published research that confirmed the biological mechanism for the potentiating role of seasonal flu vaccination in enhancing pandemic influenza illness.15 The FDA refers to this as “vaccine-associated severe respiratory disease.” Also in 2009, the CDC observed 16, and it was later confirmed,17,18,19 that some of the inactivated influenza vaccines made and administered that year caused a rare, but serious complication known as Guillain-Barré syndrome. This autoimmune reaction damages nerve cells and can lead to muscle weakness, paralysis, and death. Influenza vaccine formulations that do not work, that cause serious side-effects, or that backfire and enhance the severity of disease, cannot be identified prior to FDA approval because of the lack of sufficient clinical testing. Safety and efficacy of each year’s new flu vaccine formulations are assumed, not proven. Every year, some must pay the price for this practice, as they learn the hard way that FDA approval does not always mean drug safety. Monitoring the safety of annual and pandemic influenza vaccines: lessons from the U.S. experience. 2008. Iskander et al. Expert Rev Vaccines 7;1:75-82 Impact of influenza vaccination on seasonal mortality in the U.S. elderly population. 2005. Simonsen et al. Arch Intern Med 165:265-272 Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults. 2014. Jefferson et al. The Cochrane Library 3:1-263 Association between the 2008-09 seasonal influenza vaccine and pandemic H1N1 illness during spring-summer 2009: four observational studies. 2010. Skowronski et al. PLoS Med 7;4:e1000258(1-15) Does seasonal influenza vaccination increase the risk of illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 pandemic virus. 2010. Viboud et al. PLoS Med 7;4:e1000259(1-3) Press briefing transcripts. Weekly 2009 H1N1 Flu media briefing. [link to www.cdc.gov] Vaccine-induced anti-HA2 antibodies promote virus fusion and enhance influenza virus respiratory disease. 2013. Khurana et al. Sci Transl Med 5;200ra114:1-10 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78009512 01/14/2020 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SAN DIEGO - The Centers for Disease Control have sent out a warning about a new strain of flu that current vaccines may not be effective against. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The strain hasn't been reported in San Diego County, and it is not clear if it is contagious, but if it turns out that it is, local doctors say the flu shot will likely not be able to protect people against it. "If there's a strain that begins to circulate in the community that's new, that won't be covered by the vaccine," said Dr. John Bradley, chief of infectious disease at Rady Children's Hospital. "It takes about a year, once a new strain has been identified, to create a vaccine for that new strain." The news comes during an already active flu season. Bradley said the number of people getting sick with the flu has risen. However, the number flu deaths is down so far this year. [link to fox5sandiego.com (secure)] Again? I haven't had the flu in years, though I used to get sick a lot as a child. Never had a flu shot. |
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J to the 3rd User ID: 78129343 Switzerland 01/14/2020 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the virus mutates to fast for the immunization to be effective in most cases Quoting: Coastie Patriot No, if that was true vaccines would be useless and flu deaths would rise to the levels of prevaccine levels. In other words, adjusted for population growth a bad flu outbreak would kill millions in the USA alone. It's not a secret that the medical community takes a look at early strains showing up, which spread the easiest etc etc, then pick one and develop a vaccine. Nothing has to mutate, just a different strain is the flu. Oddly usually, not always, even the wrong vaccine may, may, give you a better chance in fighting it. Not immune, but assist your immune system. May, not always... hey shill. the cdc guesses each year as to what strains they think will be in play and make the shot around those guesses. and guess what? they are often wrong. so, best case scenario, you are not very well covered. 20-30% or so. the cdc says 60% by their own numbers, but this is bullshit and still low considering the adjuvants, mercury and other cancer goodies they throw in there. the flu shot is poison, along with most of the other vaccines they push. but, you're just a shill. so fuck you . . No clotshot, NEVER! . Mad as hell! . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78275594 United States 01/14/2020 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are right about that. Quoting: Wondering Mind Some may have gained immunity to them if they have already had a type of the flu in their past. While those who have not ever had a type of the flu in the past can get it even with vaccinations. Even senior citizens who had all their shots still got it. I wonder if you had one strain and it mutates do the leukocytes know that strain or do they have to learn the variation to defeat it!! thanks for this thread, OP I wonder if anyone reading has info if you can get the flu from someone who just had a flu shot? I was babysitting 2 girls vacationing here and one was sick most of the night. 2 days later, I was flattened with flu: severe aches, fever, headache, coughing, sinus etc. got a zpack from my dr and it really helped bring down fever and severe aches. but still feel like a truck ran me over. I feel it's so severe that perhaps it was airborne flu shot particles from the girl I was babysitting. any thoughts? TIA |
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User ID: 77016714 United States 01/15/2020 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SAN DIEGO - The Centers for Disease Control have sent out a warning about a new strain of flu that current vaccines may not be effective against. Quoting: Coastie Patriot The strain hasn't been reported in San Diego County, and it is not clear if it is contagious, but if it turns out that it is, local doctors say the flu shot will likely not be able to protect people against it. "If there's a strain that begins to circulate in the community that's new, that won't be covered by the vaccine," said Dr. John Bradley, chief of infectious disease at Rady Children's Hospital. "It takes about a year, once a new strain has been identified, to create a vaccine for that new strain." The news comes during an already active flu season. Bradley said the number of people getting sick with the flu has risen. However, the number flu deaths is down so far this year. [link to fox5sandiego.com (secure)] I don't understand how some people on this thread have never had flu for decades!!! And others suggesting dilligence over hand washing is the key,well believe me there is no one who is as OCD over washing hands as me but I have had flu tons of times. It's nigh impossible to avoid sneezed shitty particles in enclosed places like jets,underground,buses,busy malls etc.Not everybody is as civilised when it comes to caring about others ie some pigs sneeze out their disease with pure infignance. What I would like to know what these people who never have flu is" What on Earth do you or use to keep your immunity cast iron.because believe me I've gone down the supplement pathway avoided people using a mask all to no avail How are you so sure you had "the flu"? I don't think I've had it since I was a teenager. I've had colds though, and chest colds, some bad colds and some bad chest colds. These days it seems no one catches a cold any more, they only call it "the flu" but I bet they never had it. Years ago I heard that 80% of what people called "the flu" was actually food poisoning. Whatever happened to a health department statistic like that? They threw that under the rug, can't sell too many toxic vaccines with a statistic like that. |
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User ID: 77016714 United States 01/15/2020 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A flu shot does not prevent getting the flu it just lessens the effects of the flu for some people. The young and the old are the lest helped by the flu vaccine, the most likely to be harmed by it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74632837 ., source US Surgeon General years ago. Wonder what he had to say about them giving it to pregnant women these days. Seems appalling, who ever heard of such a thing and now it's commonplace? |
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Rocky User ID: 78068403 United States 01/15/2020 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | _______________ ANDROGRAPHIS___________ Andrographis 400mg twice a day and if I ever start feeling a little sick,,I take four a day til it passes.. I don't do flu shots and have not been sick for years now. Go ahead and google it.. you don't have to be sick. Oh ya,,,stay away from sick people too,,, if someone tells you that they are sick,,start backing up and leave NOW you have been warned. |