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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
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Imagine if the Vikings circa 1000 AD had gone down the Atlantic coast to the Gulf of Mexico and then across to Mexico.

If the Euros had any idea of the riches of the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas, they would have invaded hundreds of years earlier. The Viking settlements in the New World failed because they did not have profitable exports and the voyage was too hazardous to make it worthwhile. They lacked technology of navigation and ship building.

We already KNOW how much mineral wealth there is in the inner Solar System. Luna and the near Earth asteroids alone have enough resources to support a huge economy and billions of people in space.

I spent most of my career in the Advanced Engineering dept. of a major aerospace company, so I spent a lot of time on these subjects.

What is stopping us from exploiting space? Capital!

I was a Space Shuttle engineer. That system, while fairly safe and reliable, had two catastrophic accidents out of four flying Orbiters. The budget limitations (we only spent $25B in 1972 dollars) created risks despite our best efforts.

To design, test, and field a truly safe, reliable, and cheap Earth-to-low orbit system will take hundreds of billions of dollars.

Add in the cost of a new, partially reusable heavy lifter for mining and smelting equipment as well as nuclear reactors, etc. Add in the cost of a logistics space station in Earth orbit. Add in the cost of a large Lunar base, mining/refining/smelting/forming/fabricating and all of the support functions of an industrial base.

Add in the cost of exploring and retrieving near Earth asteroids for mining in orbit.

The total required is in the trillions.

However, the payoff is exponential, a space economy bigger than all of Earth's.

The problem is getting from here to there. We are not only weighed down by military expenditures but also by a huge parasitic class that produces nothing but trouble.

It would take a coalition of nations or corporations or billionaires to finance such an endeavor. They would have to be patient because the payoff would take decades.

On the optimistic side: Humans WILL eventually exploit space resources and do what I outlined. Whether you have to learn Mandarin to go is up for debate.

Sorry for the excursion from the pandemic news, but sometimes we need to consider the big picture.

We (or at least our progeny) will survive the pandemic and go on to great things.

Let's all be on our best behavior as we face the challenges.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
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Love your work jazz, keep on keeping on.
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You both can talk about it, but did you ever try to go to your respective governments to fix it?

Did you ever start a business with the goal of paying your employees a real livable wage?
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CC, I have started 6 companies in my lifetime. Providing wages to my employees was NOT the goal. I did not take the risk and work the hours for the benefit of people outside my family.

Hell, survival of the company was the only thing on my mind!

Having said that, I pay all of my current employees appropriately. The work ranges from totally unskilled level (the worker does not even know how to read or write) to fairly demanding chemistry and math knowledge.

Over half of my employees are family, mainly nephews, etc. from The Queen's family and immigrants from the Old Country.

My son is Prez. and I pay him as much as the company can afford.

Why do I do this? It is simply rational. If I don't pay well enough, I will lose talent. If I pay too much, I damage the company's probability of survival.

I have seen both results with other companies.

Personally, I have not taken a regular paycheck since 2011. My Social Security and retirement checks are adequate for me to live on.

I take capital distributions only when absolutely necessary (e.g. prepping this year). The profits go to the workers who get bonuses or we invest it in new capabilities.
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Another retailer..... lost to 2020.....

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Imagine if the Vikings circa 1000 AD had gone down the Atlantic coast to the Gulf of Mexico and then across to Mexico.

Quetzalcoatl was a Viking

wtf
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Another retailer..... lost to 2020.....

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Never patronized them so I have no idea how this will be received by the gaming community.
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Imagine if the Vikings circa 1000 AD had gone down the Atlantic coast to the Gulf of Mexico and then across to Mexico.

Quetzalcoatl was a Viking

wtf
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Well, if he ever made it back to Europe, he either kept his mouth shut or everyone thought he was nuts!

I don't think the Euros had any idea of the riches or vastness of the New World before Columbus.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
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Love your work jazz, keep on keeping on.
 Quoting: Professoroldbeans


You both can talk about it, but did you ever try to go to your respective governments to fix it?

Did you ever start a business with the goal of paying your employees a real livable wage?
 Quoting: CleverCreator


CC, I have started 6 companies in my lifetime. Providing wages to my employees was NOT the goal. I did not take the risk and work the hours for the benefit of people outside my family.

Hell, survival of the company was the only thing on my mind!

Having said that, I pay all of my current employees appropriately. The work ranges from totally unskilled level (the worker does not even know how to read or write) to fairly demanding chemistry and math knowledge.

Over half of my employees are family, mainly nephews, etc. from The Queen's family and immigrants from the Old Country.

My son is Prez. and I pay him as much as the company can afford.

Why do I do this? It is simply rational. If I don't pay well enough, I will lose talent. If I pay too much, I damage the company's probability of survival.

I have seen both results with other companies.

Personally, I have not taken a regular paycheck since 2011. My Social Security and retirement checks are adequate for me to live on.

I take capital distributions only when absolutely necessary (e.g. prepping this year). The profits go to the workers who get bonuses or we invest it in new capabilities.
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There is never a doubt in your ability with your companies. My failure to preface those that complain of the slave nature of our society.

I don’t disagree that there are issues. But the complaining and thinking a person can do better after a collapse is frustrating. Especially if they didn’t give it their all during the reasonably stable times.
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Another retailer..... lost to 2020.....

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Never patronized them so I have no idea how this will be received by the gaming community.
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I think they were slowly decaying due to steam and app stores.
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So I am watching hospitalizations as the best metric for severity of spread.

We have the highest number of hospitalizations yet. And it's always 3 days behind at least.

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Talked with a man whose wife is a teacher the other day. He said she's really stressed out and prepping to go back to virtual as at least 2 teachers in her school are now hospitalized.

Yeah...It's all a hoax. No one actually gets sick.

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DHS updated master question list

9/8/2020

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 Quoting: CleverCreator


Notable changes since 07/28 -- [References in source document]

Section 1: Infectious Dose

-Rhesus macaques have been suggested as the best non-human primate model of human COVID-19 infection based on a more similar clinical presentation compared to other primate models. [375]

Section 2: Transmissibility

-Ocular inoculation of two rhesus macaques with 1 x 106 TCID50s of SARS-CoV-2 caused mild infection, but gastric inoculation with the same dose did not result in infection in two animals. [147]

-Modeling from the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship outbreak suggests that long-distance aerosol transmission (>2 m) was more important than large droplet or fomite transmission, though results were highly dependent on assumptions. [42] In China, evidence suggests that aerosols in a multi-apartment high-rise [4] and on a bus tour [546] contributed to transmission

-Asymptomatic individuals can transmit disease as soon as 2 days after infection. [568]

- On trains in China, transmission rates were high for those in the same row as an infectious individual (1.5-3.5% attack rate), though low for non-neighboring passengers. [260] Infection risk increased with co-habitation time. [260]

- Several studies have documented low rates of transmission from or among children in different settings: Australian schools, [386] Greek households, [394] South Korean homes, [303, 467] childcare facilities in the US, [359] and estimates from transmission models. [140] However, these studies may underestimate risk of transmission in and from children.

Section 3: Host Range

- Animals can transmit SARS-CoV-2 to humans. Infected mink have been linked to human infections in workers at mink farms. [456]

- Rabbits do not exhibit clinical symptoms after exposure to SARS-CoV-2, but do seroconvert. [430]

- Cattle exposed to SARS-CoV-2 showed no clinical disease but exhibited low levels of viral shedding in the nose, which could be residual virus from the exposure dose. [595]

Section 4: Incubation Period

- More recent estimates using different models calculate a longer incubation period, between 7 and 8 days. [489] This could mean that 5-10% of individuals undergoing a 14- day quarantine are still infectious at the end. [489]

- The average time between symptom onset in successive cases (i.e., the serial interval --Dutchy: From case A to case B infected by case A--) is approximately 5 days. A meta-analysis of the serial interval found an average estimate of 5.2-5.4 days, with a plausible range from 4.4–6.0 days. [494]

- Individuals can shed virus for several weeks, though it is not necessarily infectious

Section 4: Clinical Presentation --Dutchy: Lots of changes here, highlighting some but all are notable, suggest reading it--

-COVID-19 generally begins with fever, then cough and malaise, with gastrointestinal symptoms developing later. [328] In 49 children with COVID-19 (0-22 years), however, only 51% developed fever. [667]

-COVID-19 symptoms like fatigue and shortness of breath commonly persist for weeks [580] to months [88] after initial onset. In a news release, most (88%) of the individuals infected with COVID-19 (n=86) showed evidence of lung damage after clinical recovery (88% at 6 weeks after leaving the hospital, 56% after 12 weeks). [23]

-COVID-19 positive inpatients (n=242) with concomitant bacterial infections (n=46) had an overall mortality rate of 21%; those receiving antibiotics appeared to have a significantly higher mortality risk than those who did not (30% vs 5%). [219]

-Pregnant women with COVID-19 appear to require ICU care more often than non-pregnant women [484] and also show higher rates of preterm delivery. [26] Severity in pregnancy women may be associated with underlying conditions such as obesity.

-WHO [634] and US CDC [285] have issued definitions for a rare condition in children (Pediatric Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome, MIS-C) [216] linked to COVID-19 infection. [513] The prevalence of this condition is unknown. Children with both severe and moderate initial symptoms can progress to MIS-C, [215] though it may be more likely to be preceded by fever. [667]

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Thanks, Dutchy!
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Imagine if the Vikings circa 1000 AD had gone down the Atlantic coast to the Gulf of Mexico and then across to Mexico.

Quetzalcoatl was a Viking

wtf
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Well, if he ever made it back to Europe, he either kept his mouth shut or everyone thought he was nuts!

I don't think the Euros had any idea of the riches or vastness of the New World before Columbus.
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wtf
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Some suburbs of Mumbai

Oxygen grows scarce in some parts of India as coronavirus cases rise


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I know how to fix this... we've gotta get her to go from suck to blow...

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Good evening Wordsie, how are you holding up over there? Why the Dunce hat?
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Lost a bet... otherwise all is well!
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DHS updated master question list

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Notable changes since 07/28 -- [References in source document]

To be expanded
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Section 5: Protective Immunity

-In 1,215 infected individuals from Iceland, 91% developed antibody responses that persisted for at least 4 months.[233]

- mild COVID-19 infections can induce detectable immune responses for at least 3 months. [516]

- Neutralizing antibodies develop in 50%-70% of patients. [474, 504, 64]

- In an outbreak on a fishing vessel where 85% of the crew became infected, three individuals who had high levels of neutralizing antibodies from previous SARS-CoV-2 exposure were protected from the on-board outbreak. [17]

- Some patients do not develop detectable antibody responses, [578, 648] and their future protection is unknown.

- Researchers in Hong Kong [587] and the US [586] have identified COVID-19 reinfections. Reinfections have been either less [587] or more severe [586] than the initial infection. The infectiousness of reinfected individuals is unknown.

- Cross-reactivity in T-cell responses between other human coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2 may explain variation in symptom severity among patients. [395] No single study has quantified both historical exposure and COVID-19 severity.
- Children do not appear to be protected from SARS-CoV-2 infection by historical exposure to seasonal coronaviruses. [543]
--Dutchy: The above two points seem in direct contradiction with each other--

- Two studies identified key components of the adaptive immune system (CD4+ T cells) in the majority of recovered COVID19 patients, and these cells reacted to SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein. [74, 228] These studies also identified Spike protein responses in CD4+ T cells of ~30-40% of unexposed patients, [228] suggesting some cross-reactivity between other circulating human coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2. [74, 228] Long-lasting T-cell responses have been seen in SARS-CoV-1 patients, and Tcell cross-reactivity reactivity between other coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2 suggest additional immune protection. [336]

Section 6: Clinical Diagnosis

- A combination of pharyngeal (throat) RT-PCR and chest tomography is recommended,506 particularly when results from either test are inconclusive. [316] A single throat swab detects 78.2% of infections, and duplicate tests identify 86.2% of infections. [506] PCR tests using saliva are at least as effective as those using nasopharyngeal swabs. [113, 655] The US FDA has issued an Emergency Use Authorization for a saliva-based diagnostic assay. [172]

Notable omission: From older document -Most reported serological studies suffer from bias related to selected patients, limiting their applicability to general populations. [331]

-SARS-CoV-2 RNA is likely to persist long enough in untreated wastewater to permit reliable detection for COVID-19 surveillance. [21]

Section 7: Medical Treatments
- A large meta-analysis performed by the WHO REACT working group found that 28-day mortality in critically ill patients was reduced in patients (n=678) who received systemic corticosteroids (dexamethasone, hydrocortisone, or methylprednisolone). [563] Four separate, smaller trials of corticosteroids (n<152) were stopped early due to the results of the WHO REACT trial, limiting their ability to detect statistical differences. [33, 151, 349, 590]

- Several interferon-based treatments show promise, including interferon beta-1b, [268] interferon beta-1a, [141] and interferon alpha-2b. [477] A small clinical trial (n=33) found patients taking interferon beta-1b had shorter times to clinical improvement, reduced mortality, and reduced ICU admission compared to the standard of care. [493]

Notable omission: From older document -Trials are ongoing to evaluate the efficacy of a blood cleaning device used to reduce inflammatory neutrophils. [636]

Section 8: Vaccines

--Dutchy: Shows vaccines progress from Phase I -> Phase II -> Phase II. Links to data in source document, this section will be a carresel ad infinitum--

Section 9: Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions

- Adherence to social distancing policies depends on income. [625]

- Modeling suggests that widespread use of facemasks is effective at reducing transmission434 even when individual mask efficiency is low, [164] though their benefits are maximized when most of the population wears masks. [195]

- Modeling in the UK suggests that testing of between 59% and 87% of symptomatic individuals, alongside robust contact tracing and quarantine, is necessary to safely reopen schools without creating a second, winter pandemic wave. [461] Regularly testing high-risk groups like healthcare workers may provide benefits to transmission reduction. [225]

- Modeling in the US shows that contact tracing and testing are necessary to reduce the likelihood of COVID-19 resurgence after initial movement restrictions are lifted. [23] Quarantining entire households based on potentially infectious contacts may increase the efficiency of test and trace programs. [23]

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We are 8 months into something that some don’t believe in, and others are just doing their best to have a sense of stability.....

But the clearest point is the anger is slowly giving way to desperation. And I have yet to see an angry, desperate person make good decisions.

Desperate does not mean destitute,,... a desperate person doesn’t have to be broke or homeless. Normally, it is an emotional perception of the issue that they are facing.
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I thought you were talking about my relationship with Becky there for a minute...

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We are 8 months into something that some don’t believe in, and others are just doing their best to have a sense of stability.....

But the clearest point is the anger is slowly giving way to desperation. And I have yet to see an angry, desperate person make good decisions.

Desperate does not mean destitute,,... a desperate person doesn’t have to be broke or homeless. Normally, it is an emotional perception of the issue that they are facing.
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I thought you were talking about my relationship with Becky there for a minute...

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Oooo. Imagine what she is like during this....

Duck and cover.
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Take a peep over at the Worldometers Spain page. The have updated their curve based on the data dumps which have finally been applied to the proper day, it might be a bit too soon to tell but it looks like the 7 day average peak for their second wave will have been August 30th.
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"Too soon"? Yet a few days ago you quite emphatically stated that Spain had peaked.


Spain's second wave has peaked
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They've peaked. Hospitalizations have been flat for 3 weeks.

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That's the indicator which showed when all the US states would begin their downward trend.
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Wordsworth, your trolling and lying act is going to be even more transparent if you're not going to keep the lies consistent.

Meanwhile, current hospitalizations reported by Spanish Health authority, which were never 'flat for 3 weeks', reached a second wave high yesterday.
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Not too soon... August 30th is in the past. Data is now right between 8/30 and 9/7 and that time period shows a downward trend.

The top right chart on page 5 of Actualización nº 205. Enfermedad por el coronavirus has been flat for 3 weeks. This appears to show suspected cases in outpatient and inpatient care, which largely outnumbers the currently hospitalized numbers you're showing. I think those are only lab confirmed.

I stand by my original call, the 7 day average will continue to go down from this point on. We won't have accurate data again until the end of next week.
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DUTCHY,that is a lot of info. but it seems to say"yes but maybe" like the cows,they don't get sick but may shed virus. so might infect ppl? this virus does x,yz, but can do abc whenever it chooses. that is the best intel that science has come up with after all these months?
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Notable changes since 07/28 -- [References in source document]

To be expanded
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Section 10: Environmental Stability

- Researchers found SARS-CoV-2 to be stable at room temperature across pH 3–10, and tested its stability on several surfaces. [121] After 3 hours (22°C, RH 65%), no infectious virus was detected on printing and tissue papers; on day 2, none was found on treated wood and cloth; on day 4, none was found on glass or banknote; on day 7, none was found on stainless steel or plastic. Detectable levels (~0.1% or original inoculum) were found on a surgical mask on day 7. [121]

-The International Commission on Microbiological Specifications for Foods (ICMSF) believes that it is highly unlikely that ingestion of SARS-CoV-2 will result in illness; there is no documented evidence that food, food packaging, or food handling is a significant source of COVID-19 infections. [276] --Dutchy: I concur with this assesment but I don't like the usage of 'believes', 'highly unlikely' and 'No documented evidence'. However this question can only ever be settled when such a case is proven, can't prove a negative--

Section 11: Decontamination

- Several methods exist for decontaminating N95 respirators. [443] --Dutchy: Several methods outlined in the source document--

- Researchers have developed a thermal inactivation model for SARS-CoV-2, providing estimates of infectivity reduction based on time and temperature in the environment and under decontamination strategies. [665]

Section 12: PPE

- Even among healthcare personnel reporting adequate PPE early in the pandemic (March – April), rates of infection were 3.4 times higher in healthcare personnel than the general population. [435]

- The US FDA cautions healthcare facilities using passive protective barrier enclosures without negative pressure, and has withdrawn a prior Emergency Use Authorization for the devices. [179]

Notable omission: From older document - Modeling suggests that widespread use of facemasks is effective at reducing transmission.411 Modeling shows that masks can be effective even when individual mask efficiency is low, though their benefits are maximized when most of the population wears masks. [180] Even minimally effective masks can help avert fatalities when transmission rates are low or decreasing. [157]

- Homemade masks generally reduce overall flow from breathing and coughing (63%-86% reduction) but also generate leakage jets facing downward and backward from the wearer’s face. [607]

Section 13: Forensics

- New analysis of SARS-CoV-2 and related SARS-like coronaviruses suggests that SARS-CoV-2 jumped directly from bats to humans, without the influence of an intermediate 'mixing' host. [69] Pangolin coronaviruses were determined to be more divergent and had split off from bat coronaviruses much earlier than SARS-CoV-2. [69] Current sampling of pangolin viruses does not implicate them as a conduit to human adaptation of SARS-CoV-2. [69] These data suggest that SARS-CoV-2 emerged from circulating bat coronaviruses in SE China/SE Asia and that additional zoonotic emergence of novel coronaviruses could occur.

- Based on phylogenetic analysis, SARS-COV-2 most likely emerged from Rhinolophus (horseshoe) bats living in China, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam, or another Southeast Asian country, [331] though historical recombination with pangolin coronaviruses may explain some features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome. [199]

Section 14: Genomics

-In 94 COVID-19 patients, there was no association between viral genotype and clinical severity. [681] However, a 382 base pair deletion in the SARS-CoV-2 genome has been linked to milder clinical illness (n = 39), [668] though caveats in sample size, time of sampling, and patient selection are warranted

- The D614G mutation increased viral loads in experimentally infected hamsters, though the results were only statistically significant in the upper respiratory tract (i.e., nose, throat). [485] Additionally, the D614G mutation showed a competitive advantage within hamster hosts, meaning it increased in frequency in vitro compared to wild-type virus. [485] The mutation did increase viral replication in human cell lines. [485]

- --Expanded:-- A genome-wide association study in humans identified two loci corresponding to higher risk of severe COVID-19 (3p.21.31 and 9q34.2), including one associated with blood type. [165] Individuals with type-O blood showed reduced risk of severe disease, while individuals with type-A blood showed an increased risk. [165] --New:-- However, a large cohort study (n = 1,289) documented no difference in disease severity by blood type. [332] A very small case series identified more severe illness in those with type A/B blood compared to O blood, though the A/B group was older and contained more males. [267] Due to conflicting evidence, additional research is warranted.

- The SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein, which mediates entry into host cells and is the major determinant of host range, is very similar to the SARS-CoV-1 Spike protein. [374] The rest of the genome is more closely related to two separate bat [374] and coronaviruses found in pangolins. [365]

Notable omission: From older document - A recent report of virus mutations within patients needs more research. [275] Additional analysis of data suggests the results may be due to experimental methods. [199, 630]

Section 15: Forecasting
--Dutchy: List of predictable models with brief distription and links--
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DUTCHY,that is a lot of info. but it seems to say"yes but maybe" like the cows,they don't get sick but may shed virus. so might infect ppl? this virus does x,yz, but can do abc whenever it chooses. that is the best intel that science has come up with after all these months?
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The problem with the science is that we can easily see if something happens if we do something in our control: X leads to Y, when we cause X it always leads to Y.

The problem with cattle infections is that as they stated, it forwent the definition of infected (Infected means that output of viral particles exceeds initial exposure, thus proving replication in the host). It also foregoes the process of natural exposure and the ability for the virus to adopt to a host over time. We don't control the virus as a variable, making definitive conclusions hard to come by. Keep in mind that when it comes to viruses we're basically at the evolutionary equivalent of a monkey bashing things with a stone, it's mostly new science.
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Heart Medicine.... swipe....there are more. And they are damned adorable.

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2020 the gift that keeps on giving..



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(September 9, 2020) AstraZeneca Vaccine Tests Face Delay After Patient Gets Ill
AstraZeneca Plc stopped giving shots of its experimental coronavirus vaccine after a person participating in one of the company’s studies got sick,
a potential adverse reaction that could delay or derail efforts to speed an immunization against Covid-19 for the world.
The pause stemmed from a standard review of the company’s vaccine trials after one person developed an unexplained illness (transverse myelitis, inflammation of the spinal cord)
AstraZeneca said in a statement. The move was intended to give researchers time to examine safety data
while maintaining the integrity of the trials, the company said.
Paul Offit, a pediatrician and vaccine expert at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia,
said the AstraZeneca shot involves giving large doses of a monkey adenovirus engineered
so it can’t replicate. It is therefore important for researchers to investigate
whether the adverse event wasn’t somehow being triggered by a reaction to that large viral dose, he said.
“When you have that kind of viral load, you can have side effects,” said Offit.
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(September 12, 2020) AstraZeneca Resumes Its COVID-19 Vaccine Trials In The U.K.
Drugmaker AstraZeneca announced Saturday that its COVID-19 vaccine studies have resumed in the United Kingdom,
though not yet in the United States. The vaccine trials had been placed on hold
around the world earlier in the week after a U.K. participant in one of the studies developed a neurological illness.
AstraZeneca said it cannot disclose further medical information because it is the study sponsor,
but added in its statement, "All trial investigators and participants will be updated with the relevant information,
and this will be disclosed on global clinical registries, according to the clinical trial and regulatory standards."
In late July, results of a preliminary safety and effectiveness study found that more than two-thirds
of the people who received the experimental vaccine reported fatigue and headache after inoculation.
Muscle aches and fever were also common. In May, the Trump administration awarded the AstraZeneca
effort up to $1.2 billion from the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority as part of Operation Warp Speed,
the administration's push to have a widely available coronavirus vaccine by January.
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A great read to help with mental wellness.

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Are You Grounded? Centered? Or Both?
Studies show you can ground yourself and return to center with simple exercises.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
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Jazz, have you watched Netflix's "The Social Dilemma" yet? Worth a watch! It states that social media with the help of AI has already turned us into a dystopian and divided country on the verge of civil war.

To me, the only solution is to get rid of the source of the problem which is money. But to do that we would need free energy and the release of suppressed technologies, etc. ....

I'm watching the state I live in, Oregon, burn and everything going to shit. Don't know if there is hope.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
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Jazz, have you watched Netflix's "The Social Dilemma" yet? Worth a watch! It states that social media with the help of AI has already turned us into a dystopian and divided country on the verge of civil war.

To me, the only solution is to get rid of the source of the problem which is money. But to do that we would need free energy and the release of suppressed technologies, etc. ....

I'm watching the state I live in, Oregon, burn and everything going to shit. Don't know if there is hope.
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"Money" is a means of exchange.

How, in a society with any degree of complexity or specialization, does that society function without some means of exchange recognized by members of that society?
"Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell, where they already have it." Ronald Reagan

The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan
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LIST PLACES U MIGHT GET THE VIRUS

1> STATE PARK. yes it is out in the wild. however,everyone is going there. so the public places offer high possablity of infection. bathrooms,counters,any doors,and railings.

2> GAS STATIONS,obviously who touched the pump or door before u? personally, i use full service stations,crack the window to pay.

3>GROCERY STORE, not just from the ppl there when u are. but think of thiose who browse and pick up and put back items to read labels. or children might handle and mom puts back.

4 and 5> WALKING AND HIKING,again the railings or other surfaces might have been touched. 1 thing we should consider is what we might collect on our shoes. another is where do u go? most ppl will stop for a drink or ice cream. this opens u up to exposure.

6>HOTEL, WTF who would go there? did a idiot write this list? i won't even read this one.

7> PLAYGROUND see # 1,4 and 5.

8>FARMERS MRKT. umm duhh this is today's grocery store.

9> repeats walking, hmmm see #6

10> MUSEUM again duhh, see #1

11> DOCTOR OFFICE. yikes. this guy lived long enuf to call his editor and drop this list. for real even. mayb he did climb out of his Y2K bunker.

12>LIBRARY. well u were bored. did u consider trying online books? see all of the above

13> BABY SHOWER or BRIDAL. guess they forgot to read the paper or watch the news. that is a group of ppl. and tears of excitement or virus.

14> RETAIL STORE, see #3

15> COOKOUT. note how low we are on the list.

16> WORKING IN OFFICES, well who is goina pay us not to?

17> SWIMMING, see #1

18> SCHOOL, duh realy?

19> GO WITH FRIENDS as long as they are ppl. take the dog instead

20>DINER AT FRIENDS, see #13,cancle the wedding or just send a get well card

21> hahaha WEDDING, i did not see that when i wrote 20

22> PLANES. does anyone fly since the grope police from 2001? for real?

23> HUGGING, show your love for granny by dropping off a fruit basket and wipes plz.

24> TAKE OUT FOOD LINES.

25> EAT OUT. this is ridiculous don't shoot me

26> HAIRCUT and you are not the wicked witch

27> SPORTS, except pocket pool,I should have said team sports.

28> GET NAILS DONE. who really cares what u look like if u are by yourself?

29> GYM

30> THEME PARK

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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


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Report from a city I went to this morning.

Grocery prices increasing steeply or else far less in packs.

Non essential goods stores all holding sales or closing down

Line for public toilets was amazingly long.Due to sinks and stalls cordoned off.

Interesting one way arrows now set in tile eg for the long term, rather than stuck on plastic markers.

One way system does not make sense as walkiing side by side in two directions.

Many more stores demanding hand sanitised on entering and leaving.

Many stores closed and just giving goods at front door.
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If you can say without blowing your cover,which city?
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One in the South-East.

Would be interesting to know if other parts of the country have the tiles now.
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The closest Wal-Mart Market to us doesn't have tiles because it's a solid concrete floor, but they do have very high-quality long-lasting stickers on the floor indicating one-way aisles and six-foot markers at registers. People ignore them, of course.

I am truly getting tired of being one of the few to follow the fucking rules.
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Sorry to hear that you good little sheep





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