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Remember all this time I kept saying I didn't know anyone personally that had the virus? Well, now I know 3. I told y'all about my bil and my dil yesterday. My son took his test yesterday and got his results today. Positive. He says he has no symptoms and dil is achy, but feeling better. He said they don't want to get the littles tested if they don't have to, but I'm afraid they'll have to do it.

Damn, no breather for me. I'm getting too old for this stuff!
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A) Snippy from court document they do not provide in a language that court does not rule in. Great. That's a believable way to present science.
B) According to them the PCR is <3% reliable at 35 cycles to indicate infection, yet all those whom are positive are counted as cases. Great.
B.1.) Portugal has 230,124 cases and 3,553 deaths reported. So if at most 3% of cases are actually infected ((230,124/100)*3 ~= 6,900) then Covid now has a mortality rate of 50%.
B.1.1) If you are carrying a virus and may be infected with it, and said virus has a mortality rate of 50%; and a PCR test can show you have a >0% chance of spreading it, you should stay home.

In the end, the PCR test detects if there is viral RNA in the sample tested, whether a person is actually infected at that point can be hard to tell without multiple biopsies of internal organs. If the person subsequently becomes infected after is also hard to tell. This is assuming a infected person is infectious in that the virus is replicating within a person and the amount of virus expelled into the environment exceed initial intake of virus.

Testing allows us to move away from a scenario of complete lockdown to simply isolating those whom have confirmed exposure.
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Cheers dutchy, this is on the lines of how I’ve been thinking.
You are awesome at this his shit. Kudos mate
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He really is.

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A) Snippy from court document they do not provide in a language that court does not rule in. Great. That's a believable way to present science.
B) According to them the PCR is <3% reliable at 35 cycles to indicate infection, yet all those whom are positive are counted as cases. Great.
B.1.) Portugal has 230,124 cases and 3,553 deaths reported. So if at most 3% of cases are actually infected ((230,124/100)*3 ~= 6,900) then Covid now has a mortality rate of 50%.
B.1.1) If you are carrying a virus and may be infected with it, and said virus has a mortality rate of 50%; and a PCR test can show you have a >0% chance of spreading it, you should stay home.

In the end, the PCR test detects if there is viral RNA in the sample tested, whether a person is actually infected at that point can be hard to tell without multiple biopsies of internal organs. If the person subsequently becomes infected after is also hard to tell. This is assuming a infected person is infectious in that the virus is replicating within a person and the amount of virus expelled into the environment exceed initial intake of virus.

Testing allows us to move away from a scenario of complete lockdown to simply isolating those whom have confirmed exposure.
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Shhh with all your facts and truths..
I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch.

But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling.

We all love green, thanks in advance :)

So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking.

We all love green. Thanks in advance :)
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still a nothingburger
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Some on this thread have been wearing little nothingburger badges and wearing nothingburger tshirts in your honour.

We're thinking of having an annual nothingburger day as well, sometime around September 14th, itll be a feast day where everyone sits around a huge table, socially distanced, with empty plates, and they all raise an empty glass to you!
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Well i gone n got the lurgy chuckle

Yes, 2 weeks after leaving Nepal and me mum n daughter test positive after my mum got sick and we all had a mild fever a few days ago.
Fever gone but some coughing but my mum has copD and is chuffin on inhaler a lot but seems ok otherwise.

Of course i am getting the blame from sisters and i can sadly hear the shielded calls my mum makes which is making me feel very uneasy about everything.

Turns out the guy that took us to the airport in Kathmandu has it and despite all wearing masks in car that is the likely source, that or on one of 2 flights getting back...?

Anyway, have not had much time to update lately with all the stuff going on but thought i would check in, will update any changes hf
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Jesues sods law that would happen.

So you caused a nice little superspreader event in the uk lol.

Keep safe
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lmao 10 flippin months into it, 6 of them in one of toughest lock downs in the world n the second we bolt back to UK this happens chuckle ... I shouldn't larf really but i did wonder the same!! We are in a rural village that seems to have escaped it for the most part but withing a few days of us arriving locals started getting it..... of course, we were isolating but it does make me wonder, mum is sick and she is vulnerable and in her 70's so i am worried tbf, we will see what the dr says 2m but she seems okish, just heavy chesty cough but no fever or loss of smell etc so hopefully she will be fine, dr did give her steroids for a chest infection (covid) a few days ago but mum did not have the test then so...?
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Awww yeah you done so well as well.
Hope mum keeps fighting and gets back to health soon.
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Cheers buddy, you stay safe also hf
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been fighting covid ratz all afternoon. dang things got in some preps. went to check things at the fall back stock shed.gettin cold enuf wanted to tighten things up so if something freezes ,it won't make a mess.but didn't want to move the stock here either. so wrapped stuff in gsrbage bags n buckets.

spittin snow and sleet.who's job was it to build the fire today? brrr
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2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Remember all this time I kept saying I didn't know anyone personally that had the virus? Well, now I know 3. I told y'all about my bil and my dil yesterday. My son took his test yesterday and got his results today. Positive. He says he has no symptoms and dil is achy, but feeling better. He said they don't want to get the littles tested if they don't have to, but I'm afraid they'll have to do it.

Damn, no breather for me. I'm getting too old for this stuff!
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I am sorry.

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The only positive looking at the new cases per day.

Wales, N.I are down from the peaks, hospital admissions should fall..

England the infections slowly dropping in the worst areas, but not enough to ease hospital intake.

But the jump on admissions will be midlands and heading south.

Scotland is the country to watch. Same lvl of 3 weeks. No sign of up or down.
I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch.

But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling.

We all love green, thanks in advance :)

So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking.

We all love green. Thanks in advance :)
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which shill stole my lic plate? just found out i been driving round without the back 1.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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which shill stole my lic plate? just found out i been driving round without the back 1.
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:2020wtf:

This you jazz
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been fighting covid ratz all afternoon. dang things got in some preps. went to check things at the fall back stock shed.gettin cold enuf wanted to tighten things up so if something freezes ,it won't make a mess.but didn't want to move the stock here either. so wrapped stuff in gsrbage bags n buckets.

spittin snow and sleet.who's job was it to build the fire today? brrr
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hugs

We get 72 on Thursday. This year is confusing.
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Remember all this time I kept saying I didn't know anyone personally that had the virus? Well, now I know 3. I told y'all about my bil and my dil yesterday. My son took his test yesterday and got his results today. Positive. He says he has no symptoms and dil is achy, but feeling better. He said they don't want to get the littles tested if they don't have to, but I'm afraid they'll have to do it.

Damn, no breather for me. I'm getting too old for this stuff!
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


Yeah it's really going fast now. Problem with human to human spread is that once you know 1 person that has it, the chance of there being more increase greatly due to social circles overlapping etc.

Flip side is that if you know nobody that has it, even if 5 out of a hundred have, those are all likely to be in that other social group...

That aside, don't let it all overwhelm you TB. Make sure your son and dil isolate and do the same with the kids if they can. If they can manage to do that as a household for the coming 14 days or so
getting the kids tested only becomes relevant if they start showing symptoms that require medical care, till then it changes little for the situation in the here and now.
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NEW: Dr. Anthony Fauci says life could return to some degree of normality by fall 2021 if at least 75% of U.S. citizens get vaccinated.

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which shill stole my lic plate? just found out i been driving round without the back 1.
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:2020wtf:

This you jazz
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LOL i think BIDEN did it. didn't want us voting. didn't work cause i just got a letter. didn't even notice it was gone.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Mouthwash kills covid
I apologise for my spelling and grammar, Dyslexia is a biatch.

But add on MS and its a whole new world of magic spelling and rambling.

We all love green, thanks in advance :)

So thats how it is, deal with it or keep walking.

We all love green. Thanks in advance :)
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NEW: Dr. Anthony Fauci says life could return to some degree of normality by fall 2021 if at least 75% of U.S. citizens get vaccinated.

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Well that ain’t going to happen. But along with herd immunity tho short lived immunity i put it at 45-60% need to take the vaccine. With other factors like shielding could knock it down again to 30-40% needing to take the vaccine.
Dutchy what do you reckon.
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Remember all this time I kept saying I didn't know anyone personally that had the virus? Well, now I know 3. I told y'all about my bil and my dil yesterday. My son took his test yesterday and got his results today. Positive. He says he has no symptoms and dil is achy, but feeling better. He said they don't want to get the littles tested if they don't have to, but I'm afraid they'll have to do it.

Damn, no breather for me. I'm getting too old for this stuff!
 Quoting: Texan Buckeye


Yeah it's really going fast now. Problem with human to human spread is that once you know 1 person that has it, the chance of there being more increase greatly due to social circles overlapping etc.

Flip side is that if you know nobody that has it, even if 5 out of a hundred have, those are all likely to be in that other social group...

That aside, don't let it all overwhelm you TB. Make sure your son and dil isolate and do the same with the kids if they can. If they can manage to do that as a household for the coming 14 days or so
getting the kids tested only becomes relevant if they start showing symptoms that require medical care, till then it changes little for the situation in the here and now.
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We'll see how well they listened to their crazy mom. They're the ones down in Texas, so I can only take their word for things. That said, this ain't my first rodeo. I know my kids. He'll fib a little until I call him on it and then he'll be truthful with me.

He'll take it seriously, I think. He's the one in the Lubbock area and they've been going through staff like water. The one I really worry about is my youngest son. He lives alone. I hope he is ready. He's the one that thinks he know more than his parents. Very independent is that one. He's in St. Louis.
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 Quoting: antivirus201


Here we go:

'mRNA-1273 delivered from Company’s cGMP facility in 42 days from sequence selection

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2020-- Moderna, Inc., (Nasdaq: MRNA) a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients today announced that it has released the first batch of mRNA-1273, the Company’s vaccine against the novel coronavirus, for human use. Vials of mRNA-1273 have been shipped to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to be used in the planned Phase 1 study in the U.S.'


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So the date is correct. The Vaccine was adopted from one they were developing for MERS along with NIH which is a government institute, not likely Trump made that deal but there was a pre-existing partnership in the "Mother-project" that lead to this vaccine.
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Well i gone n got the lurgy chuckle

Yes, 2 weeks after leaving Nepal and me mum n daughter test positive after my mum got sick and we all had a mild fever a few days ago.
Fever gone but some coughing but my mum has copD and is chuffin on inhaler a lot but seems ok otherwise.

Of course i am getting the blame from sisters and i can sadly hear the shielded calls my mum makes which is making me feel very uneasy about everything.

Turns out the guy that took us to the airport in Kathmandu has it and despite all wearing masks in car that is the likely source, that or on one of 2 flights getting back...?

Anyway, have not had much time to update lately with all the stuff going on but thought i would check in, will update any changes hf
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Sods own luck. Wish you all the best for a light dose and quick recovery.
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Here we go:

'mRNA-1273 delivered from Company’s cGMP facility in 42 days from sequence selection

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2020-- Moderna, Inc., (Nasdaq: MRNA) a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients today announced that it has released the first batch of mRNA-1273, the Company’s vaccine against the novel coronavirus, for human use. Vials of mRNA-1273 have been shipped to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to be used in the planned Phase 1 study in the U.S.'


[link to investors.modernatx.com (secure)]

So the date is correct. The Vaccine was adopted from one they were developing for MERS along with NIH which is a government institute, not likely Trump made that deal but there was a pre-existing partnership in the "Mother-project" that lead to this vaccine.
 Quoting: Dutchy20


So basically mRNA vaccines could be used on any RNA virus. I never really looked into any of the MERS research. Why MERS and not SARS?
Weapons...
Cheers dutchy you are the man. You woke parts of my brain right up..
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Well that ain’t going to happen. But along with herd immunity tho short lived immunity i put it at 45-60% need to take the vaccine. With other factors like shielding could knock it down again to 30-40% needing to take the vaccine.
Dutchy what do you reckon.
 Quoting: antivirus201


Need to push R<1. So with a wild R of 2.5-3.5 you need 60-72% of the population immune at any time to get it stable (R=1) and a bit higher to get it below 1. Statistically most clusters would death-end before gaining traction at that point. So if we assume ~10-20% having natural immunity you have roughly 40-62% to go, at 90% efficacy you need 44-68.2% of population vaccinated.

But it's subject to the assumptions of wild R, natural immunity being present in all infected population etc. Ranges given are about what I feel safe to assume now.
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DUTCHY, do u have any research handy that tells us how long the virus survives in air with the colder temps? we kknow it lates longer on surfcaes,but did anyone run scenarios for tha cold air?

was thinking of this today as ppl walk out of stores and remove the masks. that virus doesn't die fast like it would in summer with sun and heat.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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 Quoting: antivirus201


Here we go:

'mRNA-1273 delivered from Company’s cGMP facility in 42 days from sequence selection

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 24, 2020-- Moderna, Inc., (Nasdaq: MRNA) a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients today announced that it has released the first batch of mRNA-1273, the Company’s vaccine against the novel coronavirus, for human use. Vials of mRNA-1273 have been shipped to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to be used in the planned Phase 1 study in the U.S.'


[link to investors.modernatx.com (secure)]

So the date is correct. The Vaccine was adopted from one they were developing for MERS along with NIH which is a government institute, not likely Trump made that deal but there was a pre-existing partnership in the "Mother-project" that lead to this vaccine.
 Quoting: Dutchy20


So basically mRNA vaccines could be used on any RNA virus. I never really looked into any of the MERS research. Why MERS and not SARS?
Weapons...
Cheers dutchy you are the man. You woke parts of my brain right up..
 Quoting: antivirus201


I am not 100% on this but as I understand it the vaccine works by producing just the spike protein of the virus, which is also the part antibodies target. So the same method with slight modification should work on viruses of the coronavirus family, not all viruses.

SARS1 is pretty much non-existent outside of labs that we know of, MERS is still around by hardly ever transmits from human to human (Camels are potential carriers). All three are pretty much closely related.
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They say this because people still have sars immunity 17 years later, this virus is worse than sars due to the hiv gene. Truth is anybody that has had this virus replicate in them can drop at any time because of the immune system beat down. White blood cell count will be the marker for health as time goes on, if people start feeling like crap and the wbc count is low then thats the hiv in this virus that did the damage. I still think we are mostly screwed but of course i wouldnt want everybody to know that because all hell would break loose.
 Quoting: General Thade


not only that but i bet they can become infectious spreaders again at any time also. this is a nightmare.
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we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Hope burgers rise!

Dara Kass, MD and Professor Caitlin Rivers of Johns Hopkins predict at least 3-4 months of social distancing before we are back to "normal" #STATSummit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78232017


more unicorns in this thread than cortoon network on a saturday.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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How much did they have to change the definition of safe to make that possible?
 Quoting: TlvmmCpoft


Zombies are now safe
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Please do not freed the undead. Thank you!
 Quoting: antivirus201


What exactly do the undead need to be freed before bed?
 Quoting: CleverCreator


covid ratz like chips,pretzels,crackers..... dang em
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.





GLP