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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79725050 12/17/2020 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 First GLPer gets vaccine, within 4 hours is bullied so much they deleted their account. Quoting: R. Wordsworth Did anyone see who it was? Thread: GOT MY VACCINE :flutin: No clue but looks like Crestedone |
Lago
User ID: 79631477 United States 12/17/2020 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 First GLPer gets vaccine, within 4 hours is bullied so much they deleted their account. Quoting: R. Wordsworth Did anyone see who it was? Thread: GOT MY VACCINE :flutin: I would like to thank him for his service in working at a hospital. Lago |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45362001 United States 12/17/2020 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 So I guess India is done soon. Quoting: Guythu India is missing about 90 infections for every Covid case, latest govt analysis shows Latest analysis by DST panel, that predicted end of Covid pandemic in India in February 2021, finds that about 60 per cent Indians have been infected so far. ..will not see another peak and sticks to the committee’s original projections of February 2021, i.e., the country will see an end of the pandemic with about 20,000 active cases. [link to theprint.in (secure)] How can they possibly come up with those numbers? Thats about 828 million people infected! Thats more than 11 times the TOTAL worlds counted cases! These estimates tend to get floated from time to time all over the place, it's basically saying that you're through the worst of it already. The most egregious example was that California study where they estimated one county had had 60%+ infected around April. Most often there is a strong sampling bias in the research done but I'm not going to bother looking into it every time. In the end, even if it's true, real world examples have shown it to be of no consequence in spread and potential future outbreak size. It would be better if they were wrong because it breaks the entire concept of herd immunity. Theres no such thing as herd immunity with a coronavirus. Theres no threshhold...not even 100% infected..because in 3 months your antibodies are gone |
Vego
User ID: 79147010 United States 12/17/2020 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Headline most people see: New infections in California surge 50 percent in a day, making it the U.S epicenter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 The truth: California set a new record for cases, but some of it was backlog from LA County. Without the backlog of 7,000 cases from LA county, CA still registered a record high number of cases yesterday. Btw my test from Sunday came back neg thankfully. Took more than 4 days when two months ago I could get a result in 12 hours. Shows how busy these labs are here : ( Last Edited by Vego on 12/17/2020 02:02 PM The bad news is nothing lasts forever. The good news is nothing lasts forever. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45362001 United States 12/17/2020 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 One of the designer of the Moderna life-saving vaccine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 https://twitter.com/_/status/1339493830605856768 Explains why they went with mRNA and it makes a lot of scientific sense. Why isn't this person making millions compared to some dummy playing sports ball? I'm guessing she does OK. But to the larger point... that's just how it's always been. Tesla died penniless, along with many other inventors who created some of the greatest accomplishments of man. To create, and to create wealth, are often two different talents. Creating a world saving vaccine should be more important then chucking a football. Or maybe I'm the crazy one. The days of 20 year old atheletes throwing footballs for 20 million a year are nearing an end. Even with everybody inside the NFL ratings was halved this year. |
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Lago
User ID: 79631477 United States 12/17/2020 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 You're mixing cases (mostly non-deaths) with deaths. Death numbers are considered much more reliable because in countries with limited testing capacity they save their tests for the most severe/dying or dead patients. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79042304 Besides that we don't need country comparisons to see it's clear that Sweden's plan for herd immunity didn't succeed because their ICUs are overloaded and they are suffering a large number of second wave deaths which hasn't even peaked yet. None of this should be happening now according to their earlier plans. There is no fucking way that a country that had 100,000 tuberculosis deaths since the spring (Nigeria) only had 1,200 COVID deaths. As far as the ICUs, they are overloaded in countries all over the world, including in Japan and South Korea, who formerly were know as some of the best nations in the world at controlling the virus. How does having a lower death rate than two dozen countries who did not seek herd immunity not at least equal a partial success? It's been clear for some time that herd immunity wasn't going to make the virus go away. But there's a balance to be found between acceptable infection rates and harsh restrictions... Sweden balanced those two better than many other nations. Yes yes I know, INB4... something something "nordic neighbors" something something. "There is no fucking way that a country that had 100,000 tuberculosis deaths since the spring (Nigeria) only had 1,200 COVID deaths." I agree, having worked there for a year, the whole country is rife with corruption, warlords, witch doctors, malaria, etc. 53 Million were infected with malaria annually!.... [link to enugureporters.org (secure)] I really pity someone who has malaria and is then infected with Covid-19 Last Edited by Lago on 12/17/2020 02:08 PM Lago |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79042304 United States 12/17/2020 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 You're mixing cases (mostly non-deaths) with deaths. Death numbers are considered much more reliable because in countries with limited testing capacity they save their tests for the most severe/dying or dead patients. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79042304 Besides that we don't need country comparisons to see it's clear that Sweden's plan for herd immunity didn't succeed because their ICUs are overloaded and they are suffering a large number of second wave deaths which hasn't even peaked yet. None of this should be happening now according to their earlier plans. There is no fucking way that a country that had 100,000 tuberculosis deaths since the spring (Nigeria) only had 1,200 COVID deaths. As far as the ICUs, they are overloaded in countries all over the world, including in Japan and South Korea, who formerly were know as some of the best nations in the world at controlling the virus. How does having a lower death rate than two dozen countries who did not seek herd immunity not at least equal a partial success? It's been clear for some time that herd immunity wasn't going to make the virus go away. But there's a balance to be found between acceptable infection rates and harsh restrictions... Sweden balanced those two better than many other nations. Yes yes I know, INB4... something something "nordic neighbors" something something. Sweden's own government and King have admitted they failed badly in their "herd immunity" covid strategy. There is plenty of evidence which suggests their death toll level could have been lower if they had done things differently. If you don't want to acknowledge it then it's not my problem. |
last one
I just don't give a fuck User ID: 60052792 United States 12/17/2020 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Guys just reading the news the USA is going on full locked sometime in the next 30 days Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45362001 Maybe. re: January 20. If I'd known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of myself.---Grandpa Rednecks, hillbillies, and cowboys will save the nation---me I dreamed I was drinkin', woke up and I was "we put our faith in maniacs"- Lemmy Kilmister |
Dangerous Times
(OP) User ID: 77995120 Belgium 12/17/2020 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 https://twitter.com/_/status/1339650344826118145 Last Edited by Dangerous Times on 12/17/2020 02:24 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79725050 12/17/2020 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Again times a million..... Herd immunity is by far the most inept and dangerous thing with this virus. And technically everyone government has tried it.... albeit more on the down low to fuck us as we go. I think Lago was sounding UD and Jackally this day..... I am agreeing..... Avoid infection, if you can..... Now if you have multiple members of a household, then that’s a conversation y’all have to have. But seriously..... if you are still thinking bubbles work..... no. They don’t. PPE and proper decon are your only in-person friends that you should have at the moment. Yeah .... it sucks. No. I am not having fun. But since when has being responsive ever been “fun”. |
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Lago
User ID: 79631477 United States 12/17/2020 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf says coronavirus approach 'has failed' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79042304 [link to www.bbc.co.uk (secure)] From the article: Sweden is also said to have one of the highest per capita Covid-19 death rates in the world This is patently false, below is a list of nations in order of deaths per capita. San Marino Belgium Italy Peru Bosnia and Herzegovina Slovenia North Macedonia Spain Andorra Montenegro UK USA Czechia Argentina France Bulgaria Mexico Armenia Brazil Chile Panama Ecuador Hungary Sweden And "only" 200 or so more countries below them. I guess that wasn't in your interest to mention that part. :) "Sweden is also said to have one of the highest per capita Covid-19 death rates in the world" I could not find that in the article. Whilst the Beeb is definitely not perfect, it would be odd for it to make such an obvious mistake. Lago |
JustLurking1
User ID: 79503431 United States 12/17/2020 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Headline most people see: New infections in California surge 50 percent in a day, making it the U.S epicenter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 The truth: California set a new record for cases, but some of it was backlog from LA County. Without the backlog of 7,000 cases from LA county, CA still registered a record high number of cases yesterday. Btw my test from Sunday came back neg thankfully. Took more than 4 days when two months ago I could get a result in 12 hours. Shows how busy these labs are here : ( Glad to hear you're neg! One of ours in the house got their result just now from Tuesday's test. Neg. Waiting on mine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69517882 United States 12/17/2020 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 People need to learn their terms. Q: What is herd immunity? Manish Sadarangani: Herd immunity describes how a population is protected from a disease after vaccination by stopping the germ responsible for the infection being transmitted between people. In this way even people who cannot be vaccinated can be protected. However, for herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated. [link to www.ovg.ox.ac.uk (secure)] So please explain how you eradicate a disease without herd immunity? |
JustLurking1
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JustLurking1
User ID: 79503431 United States 12/17/2020 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 People need to learn their terms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 Q: What is herd immunity? Manish Sadarangani: Herd immunity describes how a population is protected from a disease after vaccination by stopping the germ responsible for the infection being transmitted between people. In this way even people who cannot be vaccinated can be protected. However, for herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated. [link to www.ovg.ox.ac.uk (secure)] So please explain how you eradicate a disease without herd immunity? Yes you can eradicate a disease from herd immunity. However, it needs to be controlled because left unabated equals high mortality. Capisce? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324350 United States 12/17/2020 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 "Sweden is also said to have one of the highest per capita Covid-19 death rates in the world" I could not find that in the article. Whilst the Beeb is definitely not perfect, it would be odd for it to make such an obvious mistake. Quoting: Lago Article is now 404'ed... it was a copy and paste from about halfway through. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79042304 United States 12/17/2020 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Interesting... Perhaps a loss of Antibodies contributing to a winter surge in Madrid? In Spain, Madrid got hit hardest earlier in the year. But when the second wave arrived in the Summer and Autumn Madrid's infections were some of the lowest in the country. Infact, even during last month they were at the lowest in infection rates in the country, now in December only one month later and they have spiked to having the highest infection rates in the country. Same pattern is emerging in London, UK... Hit hard in Spring and now getting hit hard for a second time in December. Asymptomatic infecteds are said to lose their antibodies the fastest. https://twitter.com/_/status/1339651547244990464 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69517882 United States 12/17/2020 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 People need to learn their terms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 Q: What is herd immunity? Manish Sadarangani: Herd immunity describes how a population is protected from a disease after vaccination by stopping the germ responsible for the infection being transmitted between people. In this way even people who cannot be vaccinated can be protected. However, for herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated. [link to www.ovg.ox.ac.uk (secure)] So please explain how you eradicate a disease without herd immunity? Yes you can eradicate a disease from herd immunity. However, it needs to be controlled because left unabated equals high mortality. Capisce? Right. So "herd immunity" is actually how it must be done. The questions are how and what tools are used. Now what tools do we have to limit disease and spread and worked over the history of modern man? |
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Vego
User ID: 79147010 United States 12/17/2020 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 SoCal Region now at 0.0% ICU Capacity [link to covid19.ca.gov (secure)] The bad news is nothing lasts forever. The good news is nothing lasts forever. |
Dutchy20
User ID: 79233391 Netherlands 12/17/2020 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 People need to learn their terms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 Q: What is herd immunity? Manish Sadarangani: Herd immunity describes how a population is protected from a disease after vaccination by stopping the germ responsible for the infection being transmitted between people. In this way even people who cannot be vaccinated can be protected. However, for herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated. [link to www.ovg.ox.ac.uk (secure)] So please explain how you eradicate a disease without herd immunity? Yes you can eradicate a disease from herd immunity. However, it needs to be controlled because left unabated equals high mortality. Capisce? Right. So "herd immunity" is actually how it must be done. The questions are how and what tools are used. Now what tools do we have to limit disease and spread and worked over the history of modern man? Nah you can cut off it's food supply. Which in this case is humans. Herd immunity means you accept you are powerless other then to accept biological processes. In the case of vaccination you aid this process, but it does mean you accept that the bug will always be around. Would have been better to isolate and starve it out from the start by simply finding those infected and making sure they do not infect others. Vaid Status: It's a small world after all! |
Dosha
User ID: 77473202 United States 12/17/2020 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 Macron tests positive for C19 [link to www.ozy.com (secure)] 1. French President Macron Has COVID-19 Following in the footsteps of U.S. President Donald Trump, U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, President Emmanuel Macron, 42, has contracted the coronavirus. Though he’s reportedly showing mild symptoms, he’ll continue to work during his weeklong isolation as France prepares to roll out vaccinations, which may begin as soon as late December if the EU approves the Pfizer/BioNTech inoculation next week. Meanwhile, artists, actors and opera singers gathered in Paris this week to protest the French lockdown, which has shuttered their workplaces. Sources: Bloomberg, BBC, Reuters Dosha |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69517882 United States 12/17/2020 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Covid19/2021-22 OMICRON/ VIRUS "IHU" FRANCE:P13310/NEWEST VIRUS: "NEOCOV" HIGH INFECTION RATE+1 IN 3 DIE !?! P13315 People need to learn their terms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69517882 Q: What is herd immunity? Manish Sadarangani: Herd immunity describes how a population is protected from a disease after vaccination by stopping the germ responsible for the infection being transmitted between people. In this way even people who cannot be vaccinated can be protected. However, for herd immunity to work a large proportion of the population need to be vaccinated. [link to www.ovg.ox.ac.uk (secure)] So please explain how you eradicate a disease without herd immunity? Yes you can eradicate a disease from herd immunity. However, it needs to be controlled because left unabated equals high mortality. Capisce? Right. So "herd immunity" is actually how it must be done. The questions are how and what tools are used. Now what tools do we have to limit disease and spread and worked over the history of modern man? Nah you can cut off it's food supply. Which in this case is humans. Herd immunity means you accept you are powerless other then to accept biological processes. In the case of vaccination you aid this process, but it does mean you accept that the bug will always be around. Would have been better to isolate and starve it out from the start by simply finding those infected and making sure they do not infect others. The entire world could have went New Zealand in the beginning, but that ship has sailed. |