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the govern. does not work for the ppl. hasn't in a long time. more ppl have woke up to that just in the last few years. doubt many will accept any vaccine.

thank you.

the stress levels will only go up from here forward. i expect many more will flip out in time.

prepping is not just gathering supplies. there is much more needed to survive a long term situation. training emotions and your mind is needed as well.

I find this wording very concerning too. Particularly on a virus that is know to infect many (if not more than) asymptomatically, and the long term damage being done is unknown.

I think we should first understand why so many show no symptoms, if this is a respiratory pneumonia "just the flu" how come it does none of those to so many?

Plus I believe it has been found in many mild/asymp cases studied there is organ damage.

This is akin to saying those infected with HIV showed no symptoms on infection, therefore the virus does nothing.

I know there is also stuff saying maybe it is neutralizing and maybe to stops transmission, but none the less, I think this should be a "we have tested this for a long time on a lot of people, and know how this virus works, why the symptoms/side-effects/etc are so varied and so random and know what impact the vaccine will have"

So thats Germany going to open up then

AO,that is why i hold to my original death estimate. we can only guess at the long term effects. evidence shows with organ damage and the disabling that this virus does more ppl will die over time. how long is that "time" is yet unknown.

with more ppl disabled in such a short time, there will b other affects to society. just 25% drop off in any career field can cause problems. look at how much we are losing the medical ppl. how we going to handle more patients? what happens when that is farmers,truckers, the grid workers,etc?

and how is any country going to afford this? they are losing income due to the lockdowns. less are working. add in more payouts for disabled ppl. then add that we need more med workers to even help those ppl recover.

we have a long ways to go yet. and we seem ,at least the world's govern's,to know less than in the spring.

our govern's are good at playing "kick the can". they have bought time,and slowed the virus down this last year.

as we head into the thxgiviing holiday and before it spikes more cases, i'll ask again. if anyone sees another way for this to end with out a full collapse of society, plz let us know. explain how the govern can keep the ppl calm and the workers especially the med staff, at their posts. someone explain to us how the govern can afford to enforce a lockdown til spring.


i don't see a good way out of this mess.and i am convinced TPTB don't want us to come thru it without major population droppoffs. unless something major happens, i do see us making it to JAN.a month beyond that and the crystal ball turns black as night.

some posters like to tell us we are wrong and that we spread doom and fear. well now is your chance to explain to us how things get better or society even survives intact as it was a year ago.

Vaccine plans are professional and good to go — unless Team Biden screws everything up

[link to nypost.com (secure)]

Jesus Christ:
Dr. Michael Osterholm has trouble with the idea that the military will help distribute the highly perishable vaccine. Dr. Céline Gounder, a New York University global-health professor and Biden adviser, says Operation Warp Speed needs to be overhauled to put more emphasis on things other than vaccines, including testing and “providing political backing” to local governments to “support things that might be unpopular.” Translation: shutdowns. That’s crazy. Vaccines will make these draconian options unnecessary.

Hush it Henry. Your colored text of gibberish and your stream of thought gibberish isn't one to look fwd too either.


CC welcome back, girl!

FDA clears a ‘new generation’ of Covid antibody test designed to tell how well someone is protected against the virus

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The FDA authorized one of the first Covid-19 tests designed to measure the specific amount of antibodies produced by the body’s immune system after infection or vaccination.
Unlike many previously authorized Covid antibody tests that read a positive or negative, the new test, called COVID-SeroKlir, measures the specific levels of Covid-19 neutralizing antibodies.
Kantaro Biosciences said the test produces accurate positive results 98.8% of the time and accurate negative results 99.6% of the time.

Just wanted to share my 2 cents, even though I know that no one probably cares, LOL! I said yesterday the current curve and trends we have been seeing are NOT a result of the virus, but rather a result of human behavior combined from both voluntary and involuntary mitigations (forced by local governments). While I hope R.W is right and he actually has been spot on through a lot of this, I just don't see the overall number of cases or deaths going down. There may be a few days of data stabilization here and there, but ultimately we are going to be looking at 300-400k cases/day by end of Dec into Jan along with approx 1% death rate which will be 3,000-4,000 per day if not higher.

Why do I think this is going to happen? First reason is a combination of Pandemic Fatigue and the growing number of people who realize they literally have a 1% or less chance of dying if they get this--more so when they have friends and family that have went through it already and hear this first hand. We see this in the case growth itself despite the education and constant messaging of masks and social distancing. Unlike March/April and part of the early summer, there are way more people tired of this, no longer wearing their masks as regularly (if at all), not washing their hands as much, and getting more careless about family. They may be saying they aren't having Thanksgiving-- but I am not seeing reports of an over abundance of Turkeys at grocery stores. I am actually seeing them run out. People are saying one thing and doing another which will just contribute further. As we start getting snow storms across the country its going to force more people to be together and inside. Second reason is just common sense-- do you see the regular flu normally level off or decline in Dec-March? No, and to think the same is not going to happen here is just not realistic (sorry for the double negative). I'm not sounding doom. I'm actually relieved if this happens. The more cases we care get behind us the closer we get to the other "real" side of this pandemic. As the world continues to try to play God by stifling this, we are just continuing to create man-made data curves and trying to make sense out of this as the actual virus spreading more or less-- when the data is human behavior. At the end of the day if we do nothing, the virus will try to expose itself to every potential host on the planet, as viruses have tried to do for billions of years.

Do you mean, the advice from this thread in spring, is irrelevant and over exaggerated.

Spring Advice - buy up all the nuts and bolts from stores, because there will be a world wide shut down and we will not be able to get survival supplies like nuts and bolts from China no more.

how about everyone stocking up on Duct Tape, the SHTF wonder tool. Do not forget this in your supply bag.

how much money was pushed to spend on survival supplies for the sudden worldwide collapse due to Covid in summer 2020, whoops winter 2020, whoops not yet 2021 spring.

Glad to see you back

Many people were wrong, and are still wrong. Especially the ones saying there are wild long term effects in people who get mild COVID. Most of the long term effects come from being on a ventilator in an ICU, and that's been known for a long time before COVID.
Now a new drug is hitting hospitals that has shown to reduce hospital visits by 70%. If that holds up, it will turn into a bad flu season type of virus. If the vaccines work, it will be over in a few months.
But the next 2 months will suck. People still need to stay home and avoid crowds, social distance, wear a mask, etc.

First off, your wall of text bears resemblance to the Army ranger who hasn't been here in a long while. :)

Second, I agree with you once again. The human behavior is the secret sauce of how this pandemic behaves.

The psychological fatigue is a bitch. Once that sets in the individual all logic goes out the window.

Will fear happen when 300-400k cases and 10% cfr starts happening? Will that force people back into hibernation on their own?

It seems people are now ready to just roll the dice on this virus. The higher the numbers get, the records being broken, the more people are getting desenthesized.

I see this in my household therefore, most households are in the same boat.

mini-Obama fucked Canada

https://twitter.com/_/status/1331607914386247681

That’s just how you interpret the what’s what. I didn’t get that idea.
Stock up on food we said.
The. You don’t need to keep going shopping for food and reduce the risk of contagion. This goes with all essentials.

Wordsie right again

Rt vs percent infected in US states and Canadian provinces. The downward motion compared to 3 days ago is really starting to look like the wave is winding down. All the leaders are decreasing in Rt, and ND is now less than 1.

https://twitter.com/_/status/1331163094475829250

we reach a peak world wide in the next few months.

Not only medicine and available treatment supplies are improving, nursing staff and doctors are getting more experience with ventilators and intubation.

I have seen intubation performed many times, and the reintubation was never rapid and sometimes more then a few minutes without oxygen..alot goes on in the ICU that most will never witness.

But I am confident healthcare facilities around the world are improving care for these patients.

reference: [link to rebelem.com (secure)]

Introduction: Emergency physicians rarely are involved in tube exchanges; I can’t remember the last time I had to do one. However, during the COVID19 surge, we found ourselves boarding intubated patients for days and even weeks as our ICUs were filled to the brim. With our ICU teams so busy, it became increasingly important for us to aid in critical care management where we could. Initially this was simply with lines and hemodynamic monitoring but, tube exchange became important. A number of our boarding patients developed considerable mucous plugging and tube obstruction that could not be cleared by suction. Reintubation with a fresh tube, while well within our scope, creates unnecessary risks – aerosol generation, increased provider exposure and possible harm to patient if intubation proves challenging. Tube exchange over a bougie seems to make a lot of sense.

Note: Due to the lack of experience most EM clinicians have with this procedure and the fact that it is a high-risk one, it may be best to consult anesthesia to help with the procedure if they are available. We acknowledge that this may not be possible if that service is stretched thin due to circumstances.


Requirements of Procedure:
Simple with equipment commonly found in EDs
Rapid tube exchange
Minimal provider exposure

Turns out that the "Doug" mutation isn't more transmissible.

No evidence for increased transmissibility from recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

Such is science.

Cases are going down in some states because people have been traveling early for thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with severity of the virus going down. By mid december this country will be on fire.

Nobody ever said it was becoming less transmissible.

No but many people are saying some areas hit a peak and we are going down which is not true.

Canada sent a ton of money to the WHO and now they are last in line for a vaccine.

https://twitter.com/_/status/1331629356335198210

It looks like we hit a peak, at least for now. But we will have to see what happens with all these fucks travelling and having Thanksgiving get-togethers.

Introduction: Emergency physicians rarely are involved in tube exchanges; I can’t remember the last time I had to do one. However, during the COVID19 surge, we found ourselves boarding intubated patients for days and even weeks as our ICUs were filled to the brim. With our ICU teams so busy, it became increasingly important for us to aid in critical care management where we could. Initially this was simply with lines and hemodynamic monitoring but, tube exchange became important. A number of our boarding patients developed considerable mucous plugging and tube obstruction that could not be cleared by suction. Reintubation with a fresh tube, while well within our scope, creates unnecessary risks – aerosol generation, increased provider exposure and possible harm to patient if intubation proves challenging. Tube exchange over a bougie seems to make a lot of sense.

every intubation I saw was challenging, not to mention the scar tissue from tubing. yes, some of the same places covid resides, upper respiratory..

not sure intubation has ever been discussed here, but so many problems begin outside of hospital from this treatment. yes even before covid.

why do you think respiratory and pneumonia deaths are listed in top 10 in America in years past? they have two separate category's.

respiratory illnesses have never been easy to treat if the patient requires Icu. success rates of recovering patients even before covid was never good.