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Word If you're forced to take the Vaccine due to restrictions imposed by States and/or Companies for workers in Your Industry will you take it? rockon
 Quoting: Cock Goblin


Nope. They can fire me first.

For the record, I am not anti-vax, nor am I against this vaccine specifically because of all the Bill Gates microchip CT bullshit. I just think this vaccine has been rushed through testing and shortcuts were taken in an effort to rush it to deployment.

Once I have time to observe what happens to the first group of people to take it I might be more open to considering it for myself.
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Can COVID-19 Vaccines Be Mandatory in the U.S. and Who Decides?

Once a COVID vaccine or vaccines are made available, could states mandate that people get them?

The short answer is yes. States have the legal and constitutional authority to require that the people who live in that state be vaccinated, or to introduce a vaccine mandate.

Once COVID vaccines are available, states could elect to require that people who live within that state be vaccinated.

Source: The John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

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That's fine. Let them try.
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the govern. does not work for the ppl. hasn't in a long time. more ppl have woke up to that just in the last few years. doubt many will accept any vaccine.
JAZZZ50

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ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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Pillar here I know did something very wrong.I feel very bad because of this .Apologies to all affected by my behavior.You know how it works.I'm getting drunk then emotions and bad vibes erupt in me.CC I'm sorry :(
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thank you.

the stress levels will only go up from here forward. i expect many more will flip out in time.

prepping is not just gathering supplies. there is much more needed to survive a long term situation. training emotions and your mind is needed as well.
JAZZZ50

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ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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WTF! If he is 8.5 months after his second dose, that means this vaccine was ready to test on humans in like February/March!

So you are trying to tell me that they developed this vaccine to the point of safely testing it on humans in like 4 weeks?!?
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We conducted a phase 1, dose-escalation, open-label trial including 45 healthy adults, 18 to 55 years of age, who received two vaccinations, 28 days apart, with mRNA-1273 in a dose of 25 μg, 100 μg, or 250 μg. There were 15 participants in each dose group.

The 45 enrolled participants received their first vaccination between March 16 and April 14, 2020
 Quoting: Registered Hero


The ONLY way this could be possible was if the pharmaceutical companies had prior samples of SARS-CoV-2 PRIOR TO its release in Wuhan.

I don't know if I'm prepared to go down that rabbit hole or not...
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


that just adds to the CT's out there. many see Dr. Farci as evil and in the middle of this whole pnademic. he either helped cause it or is part of the hoax is the thought.

just gives more reason not to take any vaccine.

the wording even by shills pushing the vaccine has changed lots the past cpl days. went from being super effective to less effective and now down to "it prevents symptons or it prevents severe covid". almost sounds as good as a flu shot.
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I find this wording very concerning too. Particularly on a virus that is know to infect many (if not more than) asymptomatically, and the long term damage being done is unknown.

I think we should first understand why so many show no symptoms, if this is a respiratory pneumonia "just the flu" how come it does none of those to so many?

Plus I believe it has been found in many mild/asymp cases studied there is organ damage.

This is akin to saying those infected with HIV showed no symptoms on infection, therefore the virus does nothing.

I know there is also stuff saying maybe it is neutralizing and maybe to stops transmission, but none the less, I think this should be a "we have tested this for a long time on a lot of people, and know how this virus works, why the symptoms/side-effects/etc are so varied and so random and know what impact the vaccine will have"
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So thats Germany going to open up then
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An appropriate word here I advise listening to. This is leading on from what I said above regarding what’s in store and preparation


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I agree with this message

Again I suggest watching this mans' videos.

He is "Spot On"




"Are You Ready for What IS to Come?"

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AO,that is why i hold to my original death estimate. we can only guess at the long term effects. evidence shows with organ damage and the disabling that this virus does more ppl will die over time. how long is that "time" is yet unknown.

with more ppl disabled in such a short time, there will b other affects to society. just 25% drop off in any career field can cause problems. look at how much we are losing the medical ppl. how we going to handle more patients? what happens when that is farmers,truckers, the grid workers,etc?

and how is any country going to afford this? they are losing income due to the lockdowns. less are working. add in more payouts for disabled ppl. then add that we need more med workers to even help those ppl recover.

we have a long ways to go yet. and we seem ,at least the world's govern's,to know less than in the spring.
JAZZZ50

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ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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our govern's are good at playing "kick the can". they have bought time,and slowed the virus down this last year.

as we head into the thxgiviing holiday and before it spikes more cases, i'll ask again. if anyone sees another way for this to end with out a full collapse of society, plz let us know. explain how the govern can keep the ppl calm and the workers especially the med staff, at their posts. someone explain to us how the govern can afford to enforce a lockdown til spring.


i don't see a good way out of this mess.and i am convinced TPTB don't want us to come thru it without major population droppoffs. unless something major happens, i do see us making it to JAN.a month beyond that and the crystal ball turns black as night.

some posters like to tell us we are wrong and that we spread doom and fear. well now is your chance to explain to us how things get better or society even survives intact as it was a year ago.
JAZZZ50

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ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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Vaccine plans are professional and good to go — unless Team Biden screws everything up

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Jesus Christ:
Dr. Michael Osterholm has trouble with the idea that the military will help distribute the highly perishable vaccine. Dr. Céline Gounder, a New York University global-health professor and Biden adviser, says Operation Warp Speed needs to be overhauled to put more emphasis on things other than vaccines, including testing and “providing political backing” to local governments to “support things that might be unpopular.” Translation: shutdowns. That’s crazy. Vaccines will make these draconian options unnecessary.
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hugs

And

:prayers:

Just gonna sit back and observe, but will post a thankful for tomorrow, and a shitshow of Heart Medicine.
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There goes the FuKKing bandwidth AGAIN

I Knew it wouldn't last

Please do not Spam the thread with "heart medicine"

People with DSL or shitty internet HATE what you do to the thread.

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Hush it Henry. Your colored text of gibberish and your stream of thought gibberish isn't one to look fwd too either.


CC welcome back, girl! rockon
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FDA clears a ‘new generation’ of Covid antibody test designed to tell how well someone is protected against the virus

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The FDA authorized one of the first Covid-19 tests designed to measure the specific amount of antibodies produced by the body’s immune system after infection or vaccination.
Unlike many previously authorized Covid antibody tests that read a positive or negative, the new test, called COVID-SeroKlir, measures the specific levels of Covid-19 neutralizing antibodies.
Kantaro Biosciences said the test produces accurate positive results 98.8% of the time and accurate negative results 99.6% of the time.
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Just wanted to share my 2 cents, even though I know that no one probably cares, LOL! I said yesterday the current curve and trends we have been seeing are NOT a result of the virus, but rather a result of human behavior combined from both voluntary and involuntary mitigations (forced by local governments). While I hope R.W is right and he actually has been spot on through a lot of this, I just don't see the overall number of cases or deaths going down. There may be a few days of data stabilization here and there, but ultimately we are going to be looking at 300-400k cases/day by end of Dec into Jan along with approx 1% death rate which will be 3,000-4,000 per day if not higher.

Why do I think this is going to happen? First reason is a combination of Pandemic Fatigue and the growing number of people who realize they literally have a 1% or less chance of dying if they get this--more so when they have friends and family that have went through it already and hear this first hand. We see this in the case growth itself despite the education and constant messaging of masks and social distancing. Unlike March/April and part of the early summer, there are way more people tired of this, no longer wearing their masks as regularly (if at all), not washing their hands as much, and getting more careless about family. They may be saying they aren't having Thanksgiving-- but I am not seeing reports of an over abundance of Turkeys at grocery stores. I am actually seeing them run out. People are saying one thing and doing another which will just contribute further. As we start getting snow storms across the country its going to force more people to be together and inside. Second reason is just common sense-- do you see the regular flu normally level off or decline in Dec-March? No, and to think the same is not going to happen here is just not realistic (sorry for the double negative). I'm not sounding doom. I'm actually relieved if this happens. The more cases we care get behind us the closer we get to the other "real" side of this pandemic. As the world continues to try to play God by stifling this, we are just continuing to create man-made data curves and trying to make sense out of this as the actual virus spreading more or less-- when the data is human behavior. At the end of the day if we do nothing, the virus will try to expose itself to every potential host on the planet, as viruses have tried to do for billions of years.
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COVID-19 patients are unlikely to spread infectious virus particles beyond nine days after symptoms begin, even though virus is detectable in the nose and throat and stool for much longer, according to data compiled by UK researchers from 79 studies.

Doctors expect that people with severe COVID-19 who survive weeks on a ventilator will face a well documented condition called ICU-Acquired Weakness. The condition leaves long-term intensive care unit (ICU) patients with nerve degeneration, muscle wasting, and debilitating weakness. Take note, that is happens with every ICU patient that had these treatments, so it's not a "COVID" thing and it's only for the poor souls that had severe COVID. The good news is the vaccines are really good at preventing severe COVID.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79650255


Do you mean, the advice from this thread in spring, is irrelevant and over exaggerated.

Spring Advice - buy up all the nuts and bolts from stores, because there will be a world wide shut down and we will not be able to get survival supplies like nuts and bolts from China no more.

how about everyone stocking up on Duct Tape, the SHTF wonder tool. Do not forget this in your supply bag.

how much money was pushed to spend on survival supplies for the sudden worldwide collapse due to Covid in summer 2020, whoops winter 2020, whoops not yet 2021 spring.
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hugs

And

prayers

Just gonna sit back and observe, but will post a thankful for tomorrow, and a shitshow of Heart Medicine.
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hugs
Glad to see you back
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COVID-19 patients are unlikely to spread infectious virus particles beyond nine days after symptoms begin, even though virus is detectable in the nose and throat and stool for much longer, according to data compiled by UK researchers from 79 studies.

Doctors expect that people with severe COVID-19 who survive weeks on a ventilator will face a well documented condition called ICU-Acquired Weakness. The condition leaves long-term intensive care unit (ICU) patients with nerve degeneration, muscle wasting, and debilitating weakness. Take note, that is happens with every ICU patient that had these treatments, so it's not a "COVID" thing and it's only for the poor souls that had severe COVID. The good news is the vaccines are really good at preventing severe COVID.
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Do you mean, the advice from this thread in spring, is irrelevant and over exaggerated.

Spring Advice - buy up all the nuts and bolts from stores, because there will be a world wide shut down and we will not be able to get survival supplies like nuts and bolts from China no more.

how about everyone stocking up on Duct Tape, the SHTF wonder tool. Do not forget this in your supply bag.

how much money was pushed to spend on survival supplies for the sudden worldwide collapse due to Covid in summer 2020, whoops winter 2020, whoops not yet 2021 spring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76779603


Many people were wrong, and are still wrong. Especially the ones saying there are wild long term effects in people who get mild COVID. Most of the long term effects come from being on a ventilator in an ICU, and that's been known for a long time before COVID.
Now a new drug is hitting hospitals that has shown to reduce hospital visits by 70%. If that holds up, it will turn into a bad flu season type of virus. If the vaccines work, it will be over in a few months.
But the next 2 months will suck. People still need to stay home and avoid crowds, social distance, wear a mask, etc.
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Just wanted to share my 2 cents, even though I know that no one probably cares, LOL! I said yesterday the current curve and trends we have been seeing are NOT a result of the virus, but rather a result of human behavior combined from both voluntary and involuntary mitigations (forced by local governments). While I hope R.W is right and he actually has been spot on through a lot of this, I just don't see the overall number of cases or deaths going down. There may be a few days of data stabilization here and there, but ultimately we are going to be looking at 300-400k cases/day by end of Dec into Jan along with approx 1% death rate which will be 3,000-4,000 per day if not higher.

Why do I think this is going to happen? First reason is a combination of Pandemic Fatigue and the growing number of people who realize they literally have a 1% or less chance of dying if they get this--more so when they have friends and family that have went through it already and hear this first hand. We see this in the case growth itself despite the education and constant messaging of masks and social distancing. Unlike March/April and part of the early summer, there are way more people tired of this, no longer wearing their masks as regularly (if at all), not washing their hands as much, and getting more careless about family. They may be saying they aren't having Thanksgiving-- but I am not seeing reports of an over abundance of Turkeys at grocery stores. I am actually seeing them run out. People are saying one thing and doing another which will just contribute further. As we start getting snow storms across the country its going to force more people to be together and inside. Second reason is just common sense-- do you see the regular flu normally level off or decline in Dec-March? No, and to think the same is not going to happen here is just not realistic (sorry for the double negative). I'm not sounding doom. I'm actually relieved if this happens. The more cases we care get behind us the closer we get to the other "real" side of this pandemic. As the world continues to try to play God by stifling this, we are just continuing to create man-made data curves and trying to make sense out of this as the actual virus spreading more or less-- when the data is human behavior. At the end of the day if we do nothing, the virus will try to expose itself to every potential host on the planet, as viruses have tried to do for billions of years.
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First off, your wall of text bears resemblance to the Army ranger who hasn't been here in a long while. :)

Second, I agree with you once again. The human behavior is the secret sauce of how this pandemic behaves.

The psychological fatigue is a bitch. Once that sets in the individual all logic goes out the window.

Will fear happen when 300-400k cases and 10% cfr starts happening? Will that force people back into hibernation on their own?

It seems people are now ready to just roll the dice on this virus. The higher the numbers get, the records being broken, the more people are getting desenthesized.

I see this in my household therefore, most households are in the same boat.
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COVID-19 patients are unlikely to spread infectious virus particles beyond nine days after symptoms begin, even though virus is detectable in the nose and throat and stool for much longer, according to data compiled by UK researchers from 79 studies.

Doctors expect that people with severe COVID-19 who survive weeks on a ventilator will face a well documented condition called ICU-Acquired Weakness. The condition leaves long-term intensive care unit (ICU) patients with nerve degeneration, muscle wasting, and debilitating weakness. Take note, that is happens with every ICU patient that had these treatments, so it's not a "COVID" thing and it's only for the poor souls that had severe COVID. The good news is the vaccines are really good at preventing severe COVID.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79650255


Do you mean, the advice from this thread in spring, is irrelevant and over exaggerated.

Spring Advice - buy up all the nuts and bolts from stores, because there will be a world wide shut down and we will not be able to get survival supplies like nuts and bolts from China no more.

how about everyone stocking up on Duct Tape, the SHTF wonder tool. Do not forget this in your supply bag.

how much money was pushed to spend on survival supplies for the sudden worldwide collapse due to Covid in summer 2020, whoops winter 2020, whoops not yet 2021 spring.
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That’s just how you interpret the what’s what. I didn’t get that idea.
Stock up on food we said.
The. You don’t need to keep going shopping for food and reduce the risk of contagion. This goes with all essentials.
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Wordsie right again

Rt vs percent infected in US states and Canadian provinces. The downward motion compared to 3 days ago is really starting to look like the wave is winding down. All the leaders are decreasing in Rt, and ND is now less than 1.

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COVID-19 patients are unlikely to spread infectious virus particles beyond nine days after symptoms begin, even though virus is detectable in the nose and throat and stool for much longer, according to data compiled by UK researchers from 79 studies.

Doctors expect that people with severe COVID-19 who survive weeks on a ventilator will face a well documented condition called ICU-Acquired Weakness. The condition leaves long-term intensive care unit (ICU) patients with nerve degeneration, muscle wasting, and debilitating weakness. Take note, that is happens with every ICU patient that had these treatments, so it's not a "COVID" thing and it's only for the poor souls that had severe COVID. The good news is the vaccines are really good at preventing severe COVID.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79650255


Do you mean, the advice from this thread in spring, is irrelevant and over exaggerated.

Spring Advice - buy up all the nuts and bolts from stores, because there will be a world wide shut down and we will not be able to get survival supplies like nuts and bolts from China no more.

how about everyone stocking up on Duct Tape, the SHTF wonder tool. Do not forget this in your supply bag.

how much money was pushed to spend on survival supplies for the sudden worldwide collapse due to Covid in summer 2020, whoops winter 2020, whoops not yet 2021 spring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76779603


Many people were wrong, and are still wrong. Especially the ones saying there are wild long term effects in people who get mild COVID. Most of the long term effects come from being on a ventilator in an ICU, and that's been known for a long time before COVID.
Now a new drug is hitting hospitals that has shown to reduce hospital visits by 70%. If that holds up, it will turn into a bad flu season type of virus. If the vaccines work, it will be over in a few months.
But the next 2 months will suck. People still need to stay home and avoid crowds, social distance, wear a mask, etc.
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we reach a peak world wide in the next few months.

Not only medicine and available treatment supplies are improving, nursing staff and doctors are getting more experience with ventilators and intubation.

I have seen intubation performed many times, and the reintubation was never rapid and sometimes more then a few minutes without oxygen..alot goes on in the ICU that most will never witness.

But I am confident healthcare facilities around the world are improving care for these patients.

reference: [link to rebelem.com (secure)]

Introduction: Emergency physicians rarely are involved in tube exchanges; I can’t remember the last time I had to do one. However, during the COVID19 surge, we found ourselves boarding intubated patients for days and even weeks as our ICUs were filled to the brim. With our ICU teams so busy, it became increasingly important for us to aid in critical care management where we could. Initially this was simply with lines and hemodynamic monitoring but, tube exchange became important. A number of our boarding patients developed considerable mucous plugging and tube obstruction that could not be cleared by suction. Reintubation with a fresh tube, while well within our scope, creates unnecessary risks – aerosol generation, increased provider exposure and possible harm to patient if intubation proves challenging. Tube exchange over a bougie seems to make a lot of sense.

Note: Due to the lack of experience most EM clinicians have with this procedure and the fact that it is a high-risk one, it may be best to consult anesthesia to help with the procedure if they are available. We acknowledge that this may not be possible if that service is stretched thin due to circumstances.


Requirements of Procedure:
Simple with equipment commonly found in EDs
Rapid tube exchange
Minimal provider exposure
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Turns out that the "Doug" mutation isn't more transmissible.

No evidence for increased transmissibility from recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

Such is science.
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Cases are going down in some states because people have been traveling early for thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with severity of the virus going down. By mid december this country will be on fire.
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Cases are going down in some states because people have been traveling early for thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with severity of the virus going down. By mid december this country will be on fire.
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Nobody ever said it was becoming less transmissible.
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Cases are going down in some states because people have been traveling early for thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with severity of the virus going down. By mid december this country will be on fire.
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Nobody ever said it was becoming less transmissible.
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No but many people are saying some areas hit a peak and we are going down which is not true.
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Canada sent a ton of money to the WHO and now they are last in line for a vaccine.

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Cases are going down in some states because people have been traveling early for thanksgiving, it has nothing to do with severity of the virus going down. By mid december this country will be on fire.
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Nobody ever said it was becoming less transmissible.
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No but many people are saying some areas hit a peak and we are going down which is not true.
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It looks like we hit a peak, at least for now. But we will have to see what happens with all these fucks travelling and having Thanksgiving get-togethers.
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Introduction: Emergency physicians rarely are involved in tube exchanges; I can’t remember the last time I had to do one. However, during the COVID19 surge, we found ourselves boarding intubated patients for days and even weeks as our ICUs were filled to the brim. With our ICU teams so busy, it became increasingly important for us to aid in critical care management where we could. Initially this was simply with lines and hemodynamic monitoring but, tube exchange became important. A number of our boarding patients developed considerable mucous plugging and tube obstruction that could not be cleared by suction. Reintubation with a fresh tube, while well within our scope, creates unnecessary risks – aerosol generation, increased provider exposure and possible harm to patient if intubation proves challenging. Tube exchange over a bougie seems to make a lot of sense.

every intubation I saw was challenging, not to mention the scar tissue from tubing. yes, some of the same places covid resides, upper respiratory..

not sure intubation has ever been discussed here, but so many problems begin outside of hospital from this treatment. yes even before covid.

why do you think respiratory and pneumonia deaths are listed in top 10 in America in years past? they have two separate category's.

respiratory illnesses have never been easy to treat if the patient requires Icu. success rates of recovering patients even before covid was never good.





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