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however, BRAZIL and other nations saw a version that was closer to the version from WUHAN and do have major outbreaks with higher death rates. with out borders open,we will see those variants spread more soon. there are several of those variants already in both PA and NYS.
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@JAZZz50, at 2020 Brazil faced the original Italian mutation, which is the closest to the December Wuhan mutation, there are very serious local studies showing that there was such a mutation circulating as early as September 2019.
Here now we have the P1 mutation, which spreads very quickly, but the main problem is that Brazil is a mess, our people are unable to act collectively, and our leaders live to rob the people.
Any people with a minimum of collective discipline would be able to survive this chaos, but this is not the case in Brazil, and it never will be.
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BREAKING....

UK records LOWEST Death Rate in SIX MONTHS ONLY 10 deaths and infections drop 27% to just 3423 cases -

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]

uk
 Quoting: Jim6152


Jim: all the vaccinated people are now mutation factories.
You need to look into Marek's disease in Chickens, and how it was treated with a non-sterilising 'vaccine'.
You simply cant treat a pandemic like this with a vaccine alone.
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uk

Just like we cant vaccinate against small pox, and various flu viruses every year....theres no mutation factory give over.

People are getting desperate on here...the writing is on the wall. UK is gonna be back to normal shortly so peeps better deal with that on here. I cant wait to call out all those regular doomtards who got it wrong....AGAIN.
 Quoting: Jim6152

Jim, you're wrong.
Consider the current set of mutations:- Brazil, South Africa, Kent.

All 3 places where AstraZeneca tried out their vaccines.

Sorry, but it is well known and experts will back me up.. non-sterilising vaccines simply create hurdles for the virus' mutations to clear.

e.g.:
Paul Bieniasz didn’t mince words in a sarcastic New Year’s Day statement he tweeted. If he wanted to create a new, vaccine-resisting version of the pandemic coronavirus, the Rockefeller University virologist wrote, “having developed a remarkable two-dose vaccine, [I’d] … ADMINISTER IT TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE – BUT DELAY THE SECOND DOSE. … If we let immunity wane for a little while, say 4 to 12 weeks, we just might hit the sweet spot”—and create a virus that could foil the vaccine.

or:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/could-too-much-time-between-d​oses-drive-coronavirus-outwit-vaccines

or:
[link to www.cogconsortium.uk (secure)]
Persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection and viral evolution tracked in an immunocompromised patient

I suggest you don't know what you are talking about, Jim!
 Quoting: S-man


Yet nothing you have claimed is being played out in the ground here in the UK with our world leading genome capabilities and having major vaccine resources Oxford have already said any mutations that come along wont be an issue they will just adjust the vaccines.

Also the current vaccines work against all the variants with the Kent Variant declared this week by PHE as being no worse than the original virus.

You can keep quoting random universities...they are 10 a penny and we've seen it here...its their opinion and loads have already got it wrong.

The Kent variant was around in Sep 2020....yet it hasn't more deadly than the original varient and the vaccines work against it.

Case closed.
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UK is an island. basically cut off from EU. so much easier to stop the virus or variants from getting in. my understanding is they did work hard to keep infected out.how much travel restrictions within the country did they have? how is their contact tracing?

so yes they may b doing good now,but it only takes 1 higher grade infected person to start an epidemic all over. call us back in a year to let us know how good the vaccines did. we would like to hear more thn.
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it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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UK is an island. basically cut off from EU. so much easier to stop the virus or variants from getting in. my understanding is they did work hard to keep infected out.how much travel restrictions within the country did they have? how is their contact tracing?

so yes they may b doing good now,but it only takes 1 higher grade infected person to start an epidemic all over. call us back in a year to let us know how good the vaccines did. we would like to hear more thn.
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In an updated posting on its website, the agency says fully vaccinated people can travel safely within the United States without a COVID-19 test as long as they wear a mask and social distance.

Those who are fully vaccinated don’t have to quarantine or get tested when they arrive unless their destination requires it.
 Quoting: Dosha


Aren't these the exact same requirements that have been in place since last spring?

1dunno1
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Last spring we didn't have the vaccines yet, did we? Traveling was a mixed bag. Last spring seems so long ago. HI wasn't taking visitors, quarantines were there, vaccines weren't yet happening and it was a mixed bag.

What I see from this is putting front and center those who are vaccinated for C19, with proof, and those choosing to not get the shot go to the back of the bus.

Seems like more of a loss of liberty for non vaccinated.
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In an updated posting on its website, the agency says fully vaccinated people can travel safely within the United States without a COVID-19 test as long as they wear a mask and social distance.

Those who are fully vaccinated don’t have to quarantine or get tested when they arrive unless their destination requires it.
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Aren't these the exact same requirements that have been in place since last spring?

1dunno1
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Yep.
 Quoting: sos


Not exactly. Vaccines had not yet started. This for the US and those who prove C19 vaccinations are free to roam and those who don't have to take other steps.

Nope, not same as last spring. As there are now 2 tiers, vaccinated and non vaccinated for C19.
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The CDC has given their "permission" for those vaccinated for C19 to travel, hallelujah/sarc

[link to pittsburgh.cbslocal.com (secure)]

In an updated posting on its website, the agency says fully vaccinated people can travel safely within the United States without a COVID-19 test as long as they wear a mask and social distance.

Those who are fully vaccinated don’t have to quarantine or get tested when they arrive unless their destination requires it.

The CDC recommends people delay travel until they’re fully vaccinated.

Who is being protected from whom? Experimental shots with unknown results/side effects for now, yet being treated as the "golden standard".
gaah
 Quoting: Dosha


It's really the case that the vaccinated people are now the danger to those of us unvaccinateds.

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A Video - When you have to explain WHY you can't see your vaxxed family/friends.
(shameless link to my own thread)
 Quoting: S-man


Exactly. We now for sure won't be traveling and will avoid crowds as best we can. I am hopeful that a few months down the way, if we aren't all blown to smithereens in WWIII, things will be a clearer and maybe these vaccines stopped. Probably not since it seems at least here in the US the desire is to spread as many variants to as many people as possible.
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A friend of ours stopped by for a few minutes today to tell my husband that someone in our condo complex (not my building) passed from Covid. It was a guy I didn't know, but hubs knew well, sadly....

Our friend said the guy---I'm guessing was in 60s or 70s, had uncontrollable bleeding in his body, apparently widespread--he said they thought it started in the kidneys. Family members told him it was a "weird" form of Covid--I said, do you mean a "variant" ? "Yes, that's the word they used."

He wasn't sure if there was clotting also or not.

Thoughts as to which variant with (bleeding in the kidneys) the poor guy had? Sorry I can't keep up with all threads these days to figure it out--grateful for your help.

I asked the friend to let us know if he found out.

Also, just putting this out there--has anyone seen if invermectin is effective if it is a variant version?


BTW, if I didn't mention it before, hubs tested negative for Covid when in the ER.

The primary dr called yesterday for followup and said they have no idea what caused the blood pressure spike.

PS--Cleaned vacuum cleaner filters clogged up today. No question about wearing a mask to do that, lol! Little things like keeping that clean I believe make a difference...
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Sorry for the loss of your friend Bastetcat. Hope you guys are doing better. Happy Spring to us all. Thanks too for the green!
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i believe we have the answere to what saved the US from the virus thus far-

viruses mutate. in our case the original strain that came to the US was a muated version. it had spread thru Europe and other countries and kept mutating. it was less severe and deadly than the WUHAN original in CHINA. hence, the version in the US caused less sickness and death compared to ITALY and CHINA. it also was less contagious. compromised ppl did get sick,many severly. many healthy ppl have been skipped over by THIS version. so in a sence the US got lucky compared to other nations,for lack of a better way to put it.

the lower-grade version that came to the US mutated down to b less severe and less dangerous. thus most healthy ppl could fight it off.

however, BRAZIL and other nations saw a version that was closer to the version from WUHAN and do have major outbreaks with higher death rates. with out borders open,we will see those variants spread more soon. there are several of those variants already in both PA and NYS.

worst case with this virus would b getting multiple variants. you might fight off the 1 but would b weaker to handle the next.also this virus damges internal organs and can do that slowly to even healthy ppl.

least this explains why in the US the virus did not become a wildfire like it did in other countries. this side of the US got a lower-grade mutation of the WUHAN virus and it continued to muate down to b less dangerous. the next version or wave will b considerably worse.

this not only explains what occured in the US but also how it walked over the EU and rest of the nations. some areas did see a variant that was closer to the original from WUHAN. those areas had a higher death and infection rate.

the problem the world faces is this virus can and in some areas has mutated to a mnore dangerous version as well as it did to a lower-grade version. a higher grade variant will spread out of control like a wild fire.
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These are my thoughts. You did a good job of breaking it down for analysis.
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In an updated posting on its website, the agency says fully vaccinated people can travel safely within the United States without a COVID-19 test as long as they wear a mask and social distance.

Those who are fully vaccinated don’t have to quarantine or get tested when they arrive unless their destination requires it.
 Quoting: Dosha


Aren't these the exact same requirements that have been in place since last spring?

1dunno1
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yep.
 Quoting: sos


Not exactly. Vaccines had not yet started. This for the US and those who prove C19 vaccinations are free to roam and those who don't have to take other steps.

Nope, not same as last spring. As there are now 2 tiers, vaccinated and non vaccinated for C19.
 Quoting: Dosha


CDC is saying it doesn't matter. Nobody should be traveling as p1 grips...they completely reversed what they said.

https://imgur.com/a/PVSJYe3


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BREAKING....

UK records LOWEST Death Rate in SIX MONTHS ONLY 10 deaths and infections drop 27% to just 3423 cases -

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]

uk
 Quoting: Jim6152


Jim: all the vaccinated people are now mutation factories.
You need to look into Marek's disease in Chickens, and how it was treated with a non-sterilising 'vaccine'.
You simply cant treat a pandemic like this with a vaccine alone.
 Quoting: S-man



uk

Just like we cant vaccinate against small pox, and various flu viruses every year....theres no mutation factory give over.

People are getting desperate on here...the writing is on the wall. UK is gonna be back to normal shortly so peeps better deal with that on here. I cant wait to call out all those regular doomtards who got it wrong....AGAIN.
 Quoting: Jim6152

Jim, you're wrong.
Consider the current set of mutations:- Brazil, South Africa, Kent.

All 3 places where AstraZeneca tried out their vaccines.

Sorry, but it is well known and experts will back me up.. non-sterilising vaccines simply create hurdles for the virus' mutations to clear.

e.g.:
Paul Bieniasz didn’t mince words in a sarcastic New Year’s Day statement he tweeted. If he wanted to create a new, vaccine-resisting version of the pandemic coronavirus, the Rockefeller University virologist wrote, “having developed a remarkable two-dose vaccine, [I’d] … ADMINISTER IT TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE – BUT DELAY THE SECOND DOSE. … If we let immunity wane for a little while, say 4 to 12 weeks, we just might hit the sweet spot”—and create a virus that could foil the vaccine.

or:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/could-too-much-time-between-d​oses-drive-coronavirus-outwit-vaccines

or:
[link to www.cogconsortium.uk (secure)]
Persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection and viral evolution tracked in an immunocompromised patient

I suggest you don't know what you are talking about, Jim!
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Truly crimes against humanity. Inexcusable.
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Aren't these the exact same requirements that have been in place since last spring?

1dunno1
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Yep.
 Quoting: sos


Not exactly. Vaccines had not yet started. This for the US and those who prove C19 vaccinations are free to roam and those who don't have to take other steps.

Nope, not same as last spring. As there are now 2 tiers, vaccinated and non vaccinated for C19.
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CDC is saying it doesn't matter. Nobody should be traveling as p1 grips...they completely reversed what they said.

https://imgur.com/a/PVSJYe3

 Quoting: BLARGON


I should remember that the CDC is always tweaking their baloney. Silly me.

Is there any wonder why there is so much confusion and acting out among people.

All by design...sigh
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Yep.
 Quoting: sos


Not exactly. Vaccines had not yet started. This for the US and those who prove C19 vaccinations are free to roam and those who don't have to take other steps.

Nope, not same as last spring. As there are now 2 tiers, vaccinated and non vaccinated for C19.
 Quoting: Dosha


CDC is saying it doesn't matter. Nobody should be traveling as p1 grips...they completely reversed what they said.

https://imgur.com/a/PVSJYe3

 Quoting: BLARGON


I should remember that the CDC is always tweaking their baloney. Silly me.

Is there any wonder why there is so much confusion and acting out among people.

All by design...sigh
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I have a more simple logical answer

CDC Doesn't believe the vaccines are going to be effective at all. Hence why mask mandates and lockdown ending pauses
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Jim: all the vaccinated people are now mutation factories.
You need to look into Marek's disease in Chickens, and how it was treated with a non-sterilising 'vaccine'.
You simply cant treat a pandemic like this with a vaccine alone.
 Quoting: S-man



uk

Just like we cant vaccinate against small pox, and various flu viruses every year....theres no mutation factory give over.

People are getting desperate on here...the writing is on the wall. UK is gonna be back to normal shortly so peeps better deal with that on here. I cant wait to call out all those regular doomtards who got it wrong....AGAIN.
 Quoting: Jim6152

Jim, you're wrong.
Consider the current set of mutations:- Brazil, South Africa, Kent.

All 3 places where AstraZeneca tried out their vaccines.

Sorry, but it is well known and experts will back me up.. non-sterilising vaccines simply create hurdles for the virus' mutations to clear.

e.g.:
Paul Bieniasz didn’t mince words in a sarcastic New Year’s Day statement he tweeted. If he wanted to create a new, vaccine-resisting version of the pandemic coronavirus, the Rockefeller University virologist wrote, “having developed a remarkable two-dose vaccine, [I’d] … ADMINISTER IT TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE – BUT DELAY THE SECOND DOSE. … If we let immunity wane for a little while, say 4 to 12 weeks, we just might hit the sweet spot”—and create a virus that could foil the vaccine.

or:
www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/could-too-much-time-between-d​oses-drive-coronavirus-outwit-vaccines

or:
[link to www.cogconsortium.uk (secure)]
Persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection and viral evolution tracked in an immunocompromised patient

I suggest you don't know what you are talking about, Jim!
 Quoting: S-man


Yet nothing you have claimed is being played out in the ground here in the UK with our world leading genome capabilities and having major vaccine resources Oxford have already said any mutations that come along wont be an issue they will just adjust the vaccines.

Also the current vaccines work against all the variants with the Kent Variant declared this week by PHE as being no worse than the original virus.

You can keep quoting random universities...they are 10 a penny and we've seen it here...its their opinion and loads have already got it wrong.

The Kent variant was around in Sep 2020....yet it hasn't more deadly than the original varient and the vaccines work against it.

Case closed.
 Quoting: Jim6152


Whilst I admire your optimism Jim, I think we have long way yet to go before declaring victory over this virus.

Yes the vaccine will help, but there are many other factors at play, the vaccine is the first of many steps needed to return to normal times...
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UK records only 10 deaths...TEN from Covid as the UK vaccination program gets better and better.

Am sure Rasen1 will be along any minute to finally reveal their BIG Disaster news which is now 4 months on from her original statement??
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I think her bomb is a systems breakdown,which is beginning to show, but no one is admitting.
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I suspect that Rasen1 probably extrapolated assumed data and arrived at a false conclusion. Why this was not shared so that it could be verified is beyond me.

Systems breakdown is still a possibility. Do I have any data to support that, no.
It’s a question of methods. Everybody wants results, but nobody wants to do what they have to do to get them done.
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UK records LOWEST Death Rate in SIX MONTHS ONLY 10 deaths and infections drop 27% to just 3423 cases -

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]

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The UK is still in lockdown, naturally, the rates are dropping because everyone is still sat at home.

The restrictions that were lifted were tiny and even then the effects of a small reopening won't be seen for weeks.

There is only one way to know if the vaccines work and you, OPEN UP FULLY.



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In an updated posting on its website, the agency says fully vaccinated people can travel safely within the United States without a COVID-19 test as long as they wear a mask and social distance.

Those who are fully vaccinated don’t have to quarantine or get tested when they arrive unless their destination requires it.
 Quoting: Dosha


Aren't these the exact same requirements that have been in place since last spring?

1dunno1
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Yep.
 Quoting: sos


Not exactly. Vaccines had not yet started. This for the US and those who prove C19 vaccinations are free to roam and those who don't have to take other steps.

Nope, not same as last spring. As there are now 2 tiers, vaccinated and non vaccinated for C19.
 Quoting: Dosha


Since last spring starting around June or so and ever since, ANY American has been able to travel ANYWHERE they want in the US for ANY reason as long as they mask up, social distance, and get a test if required by their destination.

Nothing has changed.
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UK records LOWEST Death Rate in SIX MONTHS ONLY 10 deaths and infections drop 27% to just 3423 cases -

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 Quoting: Jim6152


The UK is still in lockdown, naturally, the rates are dropping because everyone is still sat at home.

The restrictions that were lifted were tiny and even then the effects of a small reopening won't be seen for weeks.

There is only one way to know if the vaccines work and you, OPEN UP FULLY.



ukrexuk
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Sat at home....LMAO!!

Mate theres people everywhere, nobody has been sat indoors since January, parks are bursting with young and old you wouldn't even think theres a lockdown.

You will all see once everything is fully open. The only people who will get sick will be the stupid BAME folk who thinks it's a big whitey conspiracy against them.

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COVID is old news now guys.

Kingzzor's Ukraine thread is racking up pages like DT's was last March.

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Well it's the vaccine and the biggest KILL SHOT in the history of mankind on now...

This will blend in nicely with WW3 actually.
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If people die from vaxx they can say they died during the war lol.
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If people die from vaxx they can say they died during the war lol.
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You will all see once everything is fully open. The only people who will get sick will be the stupid BAME folk who thinks it's a big whitey conspiracy against them.
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Jim, maybe it'll be the vaxxed who get sick:
First, consider the prion aspect.
Note that there is NO SAFE LEVEL OF PRIONS IN THE BRAIN
Just *one* prion can cause a chain reaction leading to Parkinson's/vCJD/ALS/Dementia.
Example: vCJD in humans incubates for 2-5 years (typically) and takes about 12 months to kill. vCJD is uniformly fatal.

Whether you take the mRNA vaccines(Pfizer/Moderna), or the Adenovirus vector vaccines (JnJ/AZ), ALL the vaccines either have the spike, or get your cells to make the spike via mRNA...

Realise also that the spikes --alone-- can cross the Blood-Brain-Barrier:
[link to www.nature.com (secure)]
The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice

Once in your brain, these things have a prion-genesis site. (Just one, that I can verify, but you can verify it too!):

Run the spike protein sequence (from here):
[link to www.uniprot.org (secure)]

through the PLAAC algorithm here:
[link to plaac.wi.mit.edu (secure)]
(you only need the Amino Acid sequence, not the header! AND remove all spaces ' '!!)

See that red bump at position 500 for the PrD line?
That's a PRION GENESIS SITE.

Now, consider what might have happened to the rhesus monkeys:

[link to www.biorxiv.org (secure)]
SARS-CoV-2 causes brain inflammation and Lewy bodies, a hallmark for Parkinson, after an asymptomatic infection in macaques.
As in humans Lewy body formation is an indication for the development of Parkinson’s disease, this data represents a warning for potential long-term neurological effects after SARS-CoV-2 infection.

So, vax and/or virus could give you Parkinson's/vCJD/ALS/Dementia/... How many boosters you want, once your innate immune system is crashed and burned?
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Jim, There is more, even if you don't believe the Prion argument.....try PAH (Pulmonary Hypertension)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
Pulmonary Hypertension

PAH is a serious disease without a cure that can affect males and females of any age including children. The increased pulmonary vascular resistance in PAH results in right heart failure and subsequently death. Patients diagnosed with PAH only live for 2–3 years from the time of diagnosis on average if untreated [30,31]. Even with currently available therapies, only 60–70% of PAH patients survive for three years

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Elicits Cell Signaling in Human Cells It was found that the treatment of cultured primary human pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells (SMCs) or human pulmonary artery endothelial cells with the recombinant SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit is sufficient to promote cell signaling without the rest of the viral components [21]. Furthermore, our analysis of the postmortem lung tissues of patients who died of COVID-19 has determined that these patients exhibited pulmonary vascular wall thickening, a hallmark of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH) [21]. Based on these results, we proposed that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (without the rest of the viral components) triggers cell signaling events that may promote pulmonary vascular remodeling and PAH as well as possibly other cardiovascular complications.
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And yes, Jim, there is more... so keep your prejudices regarding "stupid BAME" people to yourself, eh?
You'd make me ashamed to be British. Thankfully I am not.

[link to www.sciencedirect.com (secure)]
(summarised)
SARS-CoV-2 Spike Proteins Disrupt the Blood-Brain Barrier, Potentially Raising Risk of Neurological Damage in COVID-19 Patients

[link to www.biorxiv.org (secure)]
We show, for the first time, that the recombinant S (spike) protein alone elicits functional alterations in cardiac Pericytes.

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OK,i gave u my theory as to how the US got a lower grade version of the virus. let's look at the future with the higher grade versions.

time line

let's do some simple math. 1 person infects 1 with the higher-grade virus,cases double each day, 1 of 10 gets sick to need hospital.very low 1% death rate.

1 person brings higher grade variant to a town- infected day 1-2ppl,day 2-4...... Day 7-256 infected with higher variant.
25 of those are in the hospital. 3 are dead.

wk2- D-14 32,768 infected, 3277 in hospital, 328 dead

can a city handle that high hospitalization #? many small counties would b overwhelmed starting by day 10. at this rate ,u would almost need a tight lockdown like WUHAN immediately.

contact tracing here has always been behind 2-3 weeks.by the time they realize there is an outbreak of a major variant,it is already spreading beyond that area.

here is where the problem lies. the govern is not trusted and is slow to react. by the time it tries to implement a lockdown of any kind,the hospitals are at breaking point.the public will not comply nor will the cheap masks stop this. now,some ppl would stay home a short time,avoiding ppl does slow things,less ppl would b going to work. at the very least , u would have that many cases the following day and the day after that that many more sick,and so on.however,the hospitals can not double capacity any farther.the testing is also overwhelmed.u will start getting stagnate #'s until the govern ramps testing up more.

in the US,what helped was we did not have outbreaks everywhere at the same time. med workers and sick patients could b moved from an infected area to a noninfected and vice versa.this helped avoid overwhelming the hospitals and collapsing the system, in each city. that will not work with this exponential growth rate. in the 2wks it took for the health dept to realize they have a major outbreak, the high-grade variant would have already spread beyond the town. and hence we have a domino effect-in 2weeks the next town realizes an outbreak but has infected the next at least and so on. i think each town will infect 5 others considering how much ppl move about and shop.

for the US govern to move NG troops everywhere and enforce a full curfew or lockdown will take about a month.how many cities and towns will be infected with a full blown outbreak before the FED. govern starts to act? most likely each initial case would now b at a state level of exposure. the US govern would impose a quarantine between states.

within the state that had infections, anarchy will occur. the goal of the govern will b COG. prevent the anarchy from spreading.

if the vaccines help slow the variants by 50%, then it will take a month to reach the above #'s.if they are testing ppl for the specific variants, it is possable they will have a warning to impose lockdowns sooner. however, a soft lockdown like we had before will not help enuf. Farci hinted at this already. he said if everyone gets the shot then mayb they can have a bar-b-q in their backyards with the household family for the 4th of JULY.not a local fireworks show. NG troops were moved a YEAR ago in preparations for the initial outbreak.

the govern knows this and has moved troops into place.the CDC hints at this, so we know they are aware and looking for these outbreaks. last month the 3 main variants,SA,UK,BRAZIL, have have already started to spread within the US.

since the govern is aware and has plans being implemented, we should start seeing those plans become actions next week. the more worried the govern is the harder the lockdown will be. if the US govern's goal is to save ppl, the lockdown has to be harsher than before and done quickly. it the goal is to spread the virus and let ppl die, they will drag their feet and look bewildered. then u will hear the blame game more and more.
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ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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at best case, these are highly conservative-

the hot spots will show spikes to the case graphs and deaths by MAY.each of those hotspots will have already infected 5 more towns. by Memorial wkend,u have 25 hotspots minimum in the US. those can b cities,counties,towns.since the variants are popping up all over the country in multiple states already,the hotspots are going to b zones.towns plus the outlying region where workers live and travel back and forth.

predicting how the govern will react is difficult. u have FED level,state,and local. from what i have seen,the Fed has NOT done its job at all in warning the local leaders of what truely is happening. the CDC talked of informing and educating med workers,yet they never did that.hence the local leaders, who have the authority and power to slow the spread, will be slow in taking actions as they too have been kept in the dark. remember these are high-grade variants and will nopt b slowed and stopped by soft-lockdowns this time.

we can see by the actions of the state governors that they are not all using the same playbook. they too have been given different information by the FED.not all govern ppl have the same knowledge or information on the reality that is coming.

i see a harsher lockdown.question is how harsh and how fast depends on the real goal not the 1 they tell u on TV. ppl who worked within those hotspots i mentioned will b forced into isolation. the wording will change from "u should self-quarantine". u may be escorted back to the hotspot to serve this isolation. this can b done several ways. someone comes to u to test u. they don't want u to travel to the hospital.so instead of cops,u go by a med van.thing is to work, they would have to take the whole family not just the worker. again how soon do we get to this level? the govern may try to just make the hotspot zone larger. everyone within 50 miles can not leave their homes. a blanket order with a lot more restriction and bite to it.

even wif the vaccines worked to slow this down,the fire has been started. by MAY,some localized lockdowns will b back in place. this can b as i stated just the hotspots where the variant is in the community.by end of MAY just before summer will start, a full lockdown of the nation will occur.will this be a soft or harsh lockdown depends on the real goal and the different levels of govern. a local govern with an overwhelmed hospital may stop traffic in and out.communities could become very pro-active to try saving themself. the hope here is the local leaders who see the storm warn their neighboring communities. a community could lock down fast and lose 10 houses and families but save the town from a full blown outbreak.

April-lockdowns coming to hotspots of variant outbreaks. harsh or soft is questionable. if the FED wants to save the ppl, the actions will b harsh and fast.
if the govern's true goal is to let the ppl die off,the blame game will start and b louder than the actions.

MAY-outbreaks of variants have already spread out,more lockdowns and these will be more harsh.
end MAY-ML. NG troops. govern takes over all trucking of goods. by now the original hotspots should b collapsing.society will b breaking down.medical overran.will the news of such things ever get out of those areas???


how will the ppl react? we know they will not take to a lockdown easily. they will travel and visit family,shop,etc. when the case #'s and deaths spike,will the ppl realize they were misled? how soon will truck drivers stop supplying the hotspots with food and goods? does the govern have a plan to move ppl into a FEMA-type isolation camp without causing an uprising?

several factors at play but we move close to anarchy during the summer. a collapse of the medical systems would domino to the grid.we are entering the 2nd half of Phase 5. unless the variants mutate down or the American ppl have some special immunity,the US will fold by fall. society as it is now,will b no more,no grid,no running water,no hospital or medical care.
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if the plan is to let the ppl die out, the objective becomes contol the chaos that will come with that. 1 way is to time the fall of the dominos. if u had the power and knew what was coming and is unavoidable, what would u do? control how it happens. the big domino is when do the lights go out. turn it off and leave the NG troops to surround an area. leave the ppl fenced in if u will to fend for themselves.

the US is too widespread to fence ppl in. u could fence yourself in,much like DC already tested. those FEMA camps do have gernerators and supplies. much easier to defend a small camp than to lock ppl down from moving within a state.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

ARM like u never have before.
there is 1 force of magic left to counter whatever comes.

it is time to call GHOSTBUSTERS to build this city with rock n roll. turn every radio and stereo on in this whole damn world. mayb just mayb it works again.
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Jim, There is more, even if you don't believe the Prion argument.....try PAH (Pulmonary Hypertension)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
Pulmonary Hypertension

PAH is a serious disease without a cure that can affect males and females of any age including children. The increased pulmonary vascular resistance in PAH results in right heart failure and subsequently death. Patients diagnosed with PAH only live for 2–3 years from the time of diagnosis on average if untreated [30,31]. Even with currently available therapies, only 60–70% of PAH patients survive for three years

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Elicits Cell Signaling in Human Cells It was found that the treatment of cultured primary human pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells (SMCs) or human pulmonary artery endothelial cells with the recombinant SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit is sufficient to promote cell signaling without the rest of the viral components [21]. Furthermore, our analysis of the postmortem lung tissues of patients who died of COVID-19 has determined that these patients exhibited pulmonary vascular wall thickening, a hallmark of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH) [21]. Based on these results, we proposed that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (without the rest of the viral components) triggers cell signaling events that may promote pulmonary vascular remodeling and PAH as well as possibly other cardiovascular complications.
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Did you actually READ the whole article because if you HAD you'd spot their research was in in cell cultures and oddly enough they dont say the Vaccines are dangerous at all??

Now if you find any evidence that vaccines are dangerous please post it up.

Meanwhile......


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk (secure)]

52 AREAS CLEAR....HUGE WIN.

uk
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Jim, There is more, even if you don't believe the Prion argument.....try PAH (Pulmonary Hypertension)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
Pulmonary Hypertension

PAH is a serious disease without a cure that can affect males and females of any age including children. The increased pulmonary vascular resistance in PAH results in right heart failure and subsequently death. Patients diagnosed with PAH only live for 2–3 years from the time of diagnosis on average if untreated [30,31]. Even with currently available therapies, only 60–70% of PAH patients survive for three years

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Elicits Cell Signaling in Human Cells It was found that the treatment of cultured primary human pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells (SMCs) or human pulmonary artery endothelial cells with the recombinant SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit is sufficient to promote cell signaling without the rest of the viral components [21]. Furthermore, our analysis of the postmortem lung tissues of patients who died of COVID-19 has determined that these patients exhibited pulmonary vascular wall thickening, a hallmark of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH) [21]. Based on these results, we proposed that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (without the rest of the viral components) triggers cell signaling events that may promote pulmonary vascular remodeling and PAH as well as possibly other cardiovascular complications.
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Did you actually READ the whole article because if you HAD you'd spot their research was in in cell cultures and oddly enough they dont say the Vaccines are dangerous at all??

Now if you find any evidence that vaccines are dangerous please post it up.

Meanwhile......


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk (secure)]

52 AREAS CLEAR....HUGE WIN.

uk
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Perhaps, Jim, you need to understand that the spike protein works on a cellular level --on its own-- to f*ck your s*it up! These effects are baked in.

You also must understand that the spike crosses the BBB in vivo, that's in body.

Good luck with your vCJD.
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Jim, There is more, even if you don't believe the Prion argument.....try PAH (Pulmonary Hypertension)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
Pulmonary Hypertension

PAH is a serious disease without a cure that can affect males and females of any age including children. The increased pulmonary vascular resistance in PAH results in right heart failure and subsequently death. Patients diagnosed with PAH only live for 2–3 years from the time of diagnosis on average if untreated [30,31]. Even with currently available therapies, only 60–70% of PAH patients survive for three years

SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Elicits Cell Signaling in Human Cells It was found that the treatment of cultured primary human pulmonary artery smooth muscle cells (SMCs) or human pulmonary artery endothelial cells with the recombinant SARS-CoV-2 spike protein S1 subunit is sufficient to promote cell signaling without the rest of the viral components [21]. Furthermore, our analysis of the postmortem lung tissues of patients who died of COVID-19 has determined that these patients exhibited pulmonary vascular wall thickening, a hallmark of pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAH) [21]. Based on these results, we proposed that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (without the rest of the viral components) triggers cell signaling events that may promote pulmonary vascular remodeling and PAH as well as possibly other cardiovascular complications.
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Did you actually READ the whole article because if you HAD you'd spot their research was in in cell cultures and oddly enough they dont say the Vaccines are dangerous at all??

Now if you find any evidence that vaccines are dangerous please post it up.

Meanwhile......


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk (secure)]

52 AREAS CLEAR....HUGE WIN.

uk
 Quoting: Jim6152

Perhaps, Jim, you need to understand that the spike protein works on a cellular level --on its own-- to f*ck your s*it up! These effects are baked in.

You also must understand that the spike crosses the BBB in vivo, that's in body.

Good luck with your vCJD.
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LOL.....I've was eating beef by the bucket loads in the 1980's and guess what...NOTHING.

I've also used GW501516 for last 15 years and guess what NOTHING other than brilliant lipids and blood glucose levels.

People like you should perhaps go see a Doc for some anxiety meds then you'll stop panicking under you bed about Covid.

You have ZERO proof ANY of the vaccines cause vCJD or anything else...ZERO.

Meanwhile UK surges ahead to normality.

uk
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Good luck with your vCJD.
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LOL.....I've was eating beef by the bucket loads in the 1980's and guess what...NOTHING.

I've also used GW501516 for last 15 years and guess what NOTHING other than brilliant lipids and blood glucose levels.

People like you should perhaps go see a Doc for some anxiety meds then you'll stop panicking under you bed about Covid.

You have ZERO proof ANY of the vaccines cause vCJD or anything else...ZERO.

Meanwhile UK surges ahead to normality.
 Quoting: Jim6152

Tell you what:

run the spike protein sequence (from here):
[link to www.uniprot.org (secure)]

through the PLAAC algorithm here:
[link to plaac.wi.mit.edu (secure)]
(you only need the Amino Acid sequence, not the header! AND remove all spaces ' '!!)

See that red bump at position 500 for the PrD line?
That's a PRION GENESIS SITE.

Then, remember ALL the vaccines either have the spike, or get your cells to make the spike via mRNA...
Then, remember the spikes --alone-- can cross the Blood-Brain-Barrier:

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]
The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice

Now consider what might have happened to the rhesus monkeys:

[link to www.biorxiv.org (secure)]
SARS-CoV-2 causes brain inflammation and Lewy bodies, a hallmark for Parkinson, after an asymptomatic infection in macaques.
As in humans Lewy body formation is an indication for the development of Parkinson’s disease, this data represents a warning for potential long-term neurological effects after SARS-CoV-2 infection.

In the Rhesus monkey study, ALL of them got Lewy Bodies after infection. ALL OF THEM.





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