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Prof Jenkins said it would be “astonishing” if smokers were not at greater risk of Covid-19 than non smokers. And he said there may be a link between high smoking rates and severity of the disease.

“China has extremely high rates of COPD and it also has high rates of severe pneumonia. In this particular coronavirus 15 per cent of the Chinese population who have been infected have severe respiratory disease and around two per cent have died - in the rest of the world the disease doesn’t seem to be as bad.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78475959


This is an inverted understanding altogether. In fact, smoking acts as a lung protectant in these cases - and especially in areas where there is high atmospheric pollution such as places like China.

This professor also, obviously, missed the boat on the role smoking played in those that survived the black plague - which was another wide-scale adaptation to a changed Earth environment. He probably won't make the cut...



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Sales going down the pit in that factory you work in?
Tough times I know, how about vaping? waiting for the new Corona vape extreme to get out with strawberry taste.
 Quoting: BA 78408606


Inhaling water vapor into the lungs has the opposite effect than smoke does. Vapers are already starting to die from forms of pneumonic plague as they've primed their lungs for over-intake of microbes, bacteria, and particulate toxins...whereas smoke causes the lungs to dry and mucus layers to form to trap those same microbes and particulates before they can embed into the lungs. Given the current state of Greece, you might want to light up...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55336333


Beyond this, we all know very well that China air quality is largely poisonous in many areas - which has no doubt contributed to the severity of the sickness they're experiencing - and also highlights that, despite what this professor is peddling, smoking is an attempt to mitigate the effects, even if only partially successful.
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A Thought Experiment.

First, I want to make clear that this in no way means "doomoff" and we all should go back to a regularly schedule programming. I am posting this to show how statistics can be misleading and used to justify / cover up / further any agenda. I think the COVID-19 is serious and we all should do what we can to prepare- but we should also treat all these statistics with a dubious eye. With that said, let's take a short trip down mathematical lane.

Officially, at the moment of writing, there are 64,450 cases world wide. That seems like a big number. In some senses it is a big number. (64k of anything is a lot) However, if we take the total world wide number and compare it to the total populate of Wuhan we start to get a different perspective. The total population of Wuhan is between 8-20 million depending on how you count districts / urban areas [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] For this first step, let's take the smallest population figure (8 million) and compare: 64,450 is 0.805% of the total population of Wuhan. (apparently 4% of the world slip on and die from banana peels every year.)

"But" the skeptic says, the Chinese authorities are wildly under reporting the numbers. The rumors have the number factors higher than the official numbers. Okay, so how do the numbers and comparisons hold up? Well, lets assume that the numbers are in deed a factor of 10 off. The real number of world wide infected is actually 644,500. Lets take that number and compare it to the single city of Wuhan. Well, suddenly we are at 8% infected in a single city. 8% is slightly lower than the total percentage of red heads in Ireland. (10% of the Irish have red hair.) If one day all the red haired Irish turned blond and some percent of them couldn't live with the sudden change - do you think Ireland as a country would cease to exist? Granted it would be big news- and the world would talk about "The day the Irish turned blond" for years - and in Ireland it would become part of their history. But, the key take away is that it would not end the Irish. The people and the country would go on.

So, to go back to Wuhan and COVID-19. The numbers are "shocking" and seem "huge" but this is coming from a city that has at least 8 million people. (the higher number is 21 million) And the 64k or 650k number is world wide infection - being applied to a single city. (granted an industrial modern city)

The final point is - yes, the numbers are serious. Yes, the COVID-19 seems to be highly infectious. Yes, there is a death rate grater than 0. Yes, we should all (always) be prepared. Yes, the governments are doing what governments do - and doing it poorly. But I feel the media hype is hiding something else - something they really don't want people to be looking at. What it is exactly I can't say - it could be simply the globalist shell game of economic growth was crashing before the outbreak -. and this offered a convenient excuse to hide that the whole system is not sustainable - corrupt and ultimately anti-human.

And before anyone points out the ships and the infection rate - contrary to what a lot have said here - cruise ships are actually a poor case study. You have a lot of people living in really close quarters - I would have been shocked (and assumed authority were lying) if a large part of the passengers didn't get infected. We already knew COVID-19 was infectious - we didn't need 3k pasangers locked on a floating prison to prove it.
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Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
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the last update was at 4:57 so when did the GLPer in question paste that article? do the math
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glassesoff
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What are the possibilities that AC.. IS the daily mail??
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Ohhh i like that one :)
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Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
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the last update was at 4:57 so when did the GLPer in question paste that article? do the math
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glassesoff
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What are the possibilities that AC.. IS the daily mail??
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cruise

What are the possibilities the Daily Mail reads GLP?
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This is an inverted understanding altogether. In fact, smoking acts as a lung protectant in these cases - and especially in areas where there is high atmospheric pollution such as places like China.

This professor also, obviously, missed the boat on the role smoking played in those that survived the black plague - which was another wide-scale adaptation to a changed Earth environment. He probably won't make the cut...



Smoking Helps Protect Against Lung Cancer

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55336333


Sales going down the pit in that factory you work in?
Tough times I know, how about vaping? waiting for the new Corona vape extreme to get out with strawberry taste.
 Quoting: BA 78408606


Inhaling water vapor into the lungs has the opposite effect than smoke does. Vapers are already starting to die from forms of pneumonic plague as they've primed their lungs for over-intake of microbes, bacteria, and particulate toxins...whereas smoke causes the lungs to dry and mucus layers to form to trap those same microbes and particulates before they can embed into the lungs. Given the current state of Greece, you might want to light up...
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As stated previously....I believe I have been exposed....

9 purchases from China and India in December and January.

Was getting lungs with increasing mucus production. Being clear I thought it a good thing. I'm a heavy smoker and roll my own. I won't spend $4 a pack for even cheap packs of commercial smokes. I've been spraying mist of "Thieves Oil" as I breath in deeply and quickly. Hold it like you would pot.

My lungs are improving vastly every day.

I just started this protocol 3 days ago.

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glassesoff
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What are the possibilities that AC.. IS the daily mail??
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cruise

What are the possibilities the Daily Mail reads GLP?
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Id say there are alot more people / business watching here than you could imagine
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Some coronavirus testing kits sent around the world are not working properly
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you don't say.
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is a diffuser as good as a nebuliser?

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UPDATE: Japan reports 2 more cases of coronavirus in Tokyo; 8 people from the cruise ship are in serious condition - NHK/Kyodo
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Dayumn. Are we at 50% infected on that ship? This little fucker has a high attack rate.
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Major news talk show interviewed an american woman in her hospital room and she bbn isnt taking nothing and doing good. Said her cough is gone,ect.. blown out of proportion my opinion
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is a diffuser as good as a nebuliser?

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With an r0 of > 4 - maybe 6.6 maybe 12

We are all going to get it.

wtf
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Estimate from this must be: 250k - 500k dead.

Between 3 and 6 million infected.

That sounds a lot more believable based on the actions of the Chinese government.
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If there are that many infected and dead in China and so little dead outside of China then it has to be a targeted bioweapon. There is no way you can contain a death count like that just inside one area. We are too connected for that to happen. There must be something that we still don't know about this incident.
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The problem.
This did not even start until late in December.We do not know the exact date,but lets go with Dec 14,when the doctor warned about it.Do a little bit of math and it has been 62 days.

That is all.What do you think the world will actually look like in another 62 days?
Do you think every case was contained or do you think it is silently spreading,with cases not even recognized because it is so similar to the flu?
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Dayumn. Are we at 50% infected on that ship? This little fucker has a high attack rate.
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Major news talk show interviewed an american woman in her hospital room and she bbn isnt taking nothing and doing good. Said her cough is gone,ect.. blown out of proportion my opinion
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Thats cause shes white
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A Thought Experiment.

First, I want to make clear that this in no way means "doomoff" and we all should go back to a regularly schedule programming. I am posting this to show how statistics can be misleading and used to justify / cover up / further any agenda. I think the COVID-19 is serious and we all should do what we can to prepare- but we should also treat all these statistics with a dubious eye. With that said, let's take a short trip down mathematical lane.

Officially, at the moment of writing, there are 64,450 cases world wide. That seems like a big number. In some senses it is a big number. (64k of anything is a lot) However, if we take the total world wide number and compare it to the total populate of Wuhan we start to get a different perspective. The total population of Wuhan is between 8-20 million depending on how you count districts / urban areas [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] For this first step, let's take the smallest population figure (8 million) and compare: 64,450 is 0.805% of the total population of Wuhan. (apparently 4% of the world slip on and die from banana peels every year.)

"But" the skeptic says, the Chinese authorities are wildly under reporting the numbers. The rumors have the number factors higher than the official numbers. Okay, so how do the numbers and comparisons hold up? Well, lets assume that the numbers are in deed a factor of 10 off. The real number of world wide infected is actually 644,500. Lets take that number and compare it to the single city of Wuhan. Well, suddenly we are at 8% infected in a single city. 8% is slightly lower than the total percentage of red heads in Ireland. (10% of the Irish have red hair.) If one day all the red haired Irish turned blond and some percent of them couldn't live with the sudden change - do you think Ireland as a country would cease to exist? Granted it would be big news- and the world would talk about "The day the Irish turned blond" for years - and in Ireland it would become part of their history. But, the key take away is that it would not end the Irish. The people and the country would go on.

So, to go back to Wuhan and COVID-19. The numbers are "shocking" and seem "huge" but this is coming from a city that has at least 8 million people. (the higher number is 21 million) And the 64k or 650k number is world wide infection - being applied to a single city. (granted an industrial modern city)

The final point is - yes, the numbers are serious. Yes, the COVID-19 seems to be highly infectious. Yes, there is a death rate grater than 0. Yes, we should all (always) be prepared. Yes, the governments are doing what governments do - and doing it poorly. But I feel the media hype is hiding something else - something they really don't want people to be looking at. What it is exactly I can't say - it could be simply the globalist shell game of economic growth was crashing before the outbreak -. and this offered a convenient excuse to hide that the whole system is not sustainable - corrupt and ultimately anti-human.

And before anyone points out the ships and the infection rate - contrary to what a lot have said here - cruise ships are actually a poor case study. You have a lot of people living in really close quarters - I would have been shocked (and assumed authority were lying) if a large part of the passengers didn't get infected. We already knew COVID-19 was infectious - we didn't need 3k pasangers locked on a floating prison to prove it.
 Quoting: DDR Lover


Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78476770

That is the part that has me scratching my head. Actions are more important than all the math and numbers they through out.

I wonder if China over-reacted (is over-reacting) because of past mistakes? Was the trade war with the US hitting them much deeper than expected, and they chose this (COVID) to hide the fact that Americans just are not buying stuff?

Outside of the obvious flawed numbers, I think there is a bigger game afoot - and at the very least governments are using this outbreak to do some shaddy things.
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A Thought Experiment.

First, I want to make clear that this in no way means "doomoff" and we all should go back to a regularly schedule programming. I am posting this to show how statistics can be misleading and used to justify / cover up / further any agenda. I think the COVID-19 is serious and we all should do what we can to prepare- but we should also treat all these statistics with a dubious eye. With that said, let's take a short trip down mathematical lane.

Officially, at the moment of writing, there are 64,450 cases world wide. That seems like a big number. In some senses it is a big number. (64k of anything is a lot) However, if we take the total world wide number and compare it to the total populate of Wuhan we start to get a different perspective. The total population of Wuhan is between 8-20 million depending on how you count districts / urban areas [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] For this first step, let's take the smallest population figure (8 million) and compare: 64,450 is 0.805% of the total population of Wuhan. (apparently 4% of the world slip on and die from banana peels every year.)

"But" the skeptic says, the Chinese authorities are wildly under reporting the numbers. The rumors have the number factors higher than the official numbers. Okay, so how do the numbers and comparisons hold up? Well, lets assume that the numbers are in deed a factor of 10 off. The real number of world wide infected is actually 644,500. Lets take that number and compare it to the single city of Wuhan. Well, suddenly we are at 8% infected in a single city. 8% is slightly lower than the total percentage of red heads in Ireland. (10% of the Irish have red hair.) If one day all the red haired Irish turned blond and some percent of them couldn't live with the sudden change - do you think Ireland as a country would cease to exist? Granted it would be big news- and the world would talk about "The day the Irish turned blond" for years - and in Ireland it would become part of their history. But, the key take away is that it would not end the Irish. The people and the country would go on.

So, to go back to Wuhan and COVID-19. The numbers are "shocking" and seem "huge" but this is coming from a city that has at least 8 million people. (the higher number is 21 million) And the 64k or 650k number is world wide infection - being applied to a single city. (granted an industrial modern city)

The final point is - yes, the numbers are serious. Yes, the COVID-19 seems to be highly infectious. Yes, there is a death rate grater than 0. Yes, we should all (always) be prepared. Yes, the governments are doing what governments do - and doing it poorly. But I feel the media hype is hiding something else - something they really don't want people to be looking at. What it is exactly I can't say - it could be simply the globalist shell game of economic growth was crashing before the outbreak -. and this offered a convenient excuse to hide that the whole system is not sustainable - corrupt and ultimately anti-human.

And before anyone points out the ships and the infection rate - contrary to what a lot have said here - cruise ships are actually a poor case study. You have a lot of people living in really close quarters - I would have been shocked (and assumed authority were lying) if a large part of the passengers didn't get infected. We already knew COVID-19 was infectious - we didn't need 3k pasangers locked on a floating prison to prove it.
 Quoting: DDR Lover


Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
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Agreed and plus exponential growth given the R0 > 2 is very concerning. So, doom off? Not at all!
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Good day from a warm Moscow. Nothing new epidemiologically to report. My Chinese friend has gone missing though, which is sad. All of his messenger acocunts just vanished, or were deleted.
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A Thought Experiment.

First, I want to make clear that this in no way means "doomoff" and we all should go back to a regularly schedule programming. I am posting this to show how statistics can be misleading and used to justify / cover up / further any agenda. I think the COVID-19 is serious and we all should do what we can to prepare- but we should also treat all these statistics with a dubious eye. With that said, let's take a short trip down mathematical lane.

Officially, at the moment of writing, there are 64,450 cases world wide. That seems like a big number. In some senses it is a big number. (64k of anything is a lot) However, if we take the total world wide number and compare it to the total populate of Wuhan we start to get a different perspective. The total population of Wuhan is between 8-20 million depending on how you count districts / urban areas [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] For this first step, let's take the smallest population figure (8 million) and compare: 64,450 is 0.805% of the total population of Wuhan. (apparently 4% of the world slip on and die from banana peels every year.)

"But" the skeptic says, the Chinese authorities are wildly under reporting the numbers. The rumors have the number factors higher than the official numbers. Okay, so how do the numbers and comparisons hold up? Well, lets assume that the numbers are in deed a factor of 10 off. The real number of world wide infected is actually 644,500. Lets take that number and compare it to the single city of Wuhan. Well, suddenly we are at 8% infected in a single city. 8% is slightly lower than the total percentage of red heads in Ireland. (10% of the Irish have red hair.) If one day all the red haired Irish turned blond and some percent of them couldn't live with the sudden change - do you think Ireland as a country would cease to exist? Granted it would be big news- and the world would talk about "The day the Irish turned blond" for years - and in Ireland it would become part of their history. But, the key take away is that it would not end the Irish. The people and the country would go on.

So, to go back to Wuhan and COVID-19. The numbers are "shocking" and seem "huge" but this is coming from a city that has at least 8 million people. (the higher number is 21 million) And the 64k or 650k number is world wide infection - being applied to a single city. (granted an industrial modern city)

The final point is - yes, the numbers are serious. Yes, the COVID-19 seems to be highly infectious. Yes, there is a death rate grater than 0. Yes, we should all (always) be prepared. Yes, the governments are doing what governments do - and doing it poorly. But I feel the media hype is hiding something else - something they really don't want people to be looking at. What it is exactly I can't say - it could be simply the globalist shell game of economic growth was crashing before the outbreak -. and this offered a convenient excuse to hide that the whole system is not sustainable - corrupt and ultimately anti-human.

And before anyone points out the ships and the infection rate - contrary to what a lot have said here - cruise ships are actually a poor case study. You have a lot of people living in really close quarters - I would have been shocked (and assumed authority were lying) if a large part of the passengers didn't get infected. We already knew COVID-19 was infectious - we didn't need 3k pasangers locked on a floating prison to prove it.
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Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78476770

That is the part that has me scratching my head. Actions are more important than all the math and numbers they through out.

I wonder if China over-reacted (is over-reacting) because of past mistakes? Was the trade war with the US hitting them much deeper than expected, and they chose this (COVID) to hide the fact that Americans just are not buying stuff?

Outside of the obvious flawed numbers, I think there is a bigger game afoot - and at the very least governments are using this outbreak to do some shaddy things.
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Again given what is leaking through the massive censorship is very concerning.

I do not think China is "overreacting". If it's not a big issue, China would just let those people die.

If it is a big issue for China in the LONG-TERM e.g. the disease is bigger than publicly thought -> Massive actions as they do right now.
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Yes we talked about that here over a week ago.

People that got Discharged "Cured" (as the CCP puts it). Later ended up getting reinfected and died immediately.
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Yes we talked about that here over a week ago.

People that got Discharged "Cured" (as the CCP puts it). Later ended up getting reinfected and died immediately.
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Viruses are known to reinfect in different ways to the first, take chicken pox for example
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A Thought Experiment.

First, I want to make clear that this in no way means "doomoff" and we all should go back to a regularly schedule programming. I am posting this to show how statistics can be misleading and used to justify / cover up / further any agenda. I think the COVID-19 is serious and we all should do what we can to prepare- but we should also treat all these statistics with a dubious eye. With that said, let's take a short trip down mathematical lane.

Officially, at the moment of writing, there are 64,450 cases world wide. That seems like a big number. In some senses it is a big number. (64k of anything is a lot) However, if we take the total world wide number and compare it to the total populate of Wuhan we start to get a different perspective. The total population of Wuhan is between 8-20 million depending on how you count districts / urban areas [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] For this first step, let's take the smallest population figure (8 million) and compare: 64,450 is 0.805% of the total population of Wuhan. (apparently 4% of the world slip on and die from banana peels every year.)

"But" the skeptic says, the Chinese authorities are wildly under reporting the numbers. The rumors have the number factors higher than the official numbers. Okay, so how do the numbers and comparisons hold up? Well, lets assume that the numbers are in deed a factor of 10 off. The real number of world wide infected is actually 644,500. Lets take that number and compare it to the single city of Wuhan. Well, suddenly we are at 8% infected in a single city. 8% is slightly lower than the total percentage of red heads in Ireland. (10% of the Irish have red hair.) If one day all the red haired Irish turned blond and some percent of them couldn't live with the sudden change - do you think Ireland as a country would cease to exist? Granted it would be big news- and the world would talk about "The day the Irish turned blond" for years - and in Ireland it would become part of their history. But, the key take away is that it would not end the Irish. The people and the country would go on.

So, to go back to Wuhan and COVID-19. The numbers are "shocking" and seem "huge" but this is coming from a city that has at least 8 million people. (the higher number is 21 million) And the 64k or 650k number is world wide infection - being applied to a single city. (granted an industrial modern city)

The final point is - yes, the numbers are serious. Yes, the COVID-19 seems to be highly infectious. Yes, there is a death rate grater than 0. Yes, we should all (always) be prepared. Yes, the governments are doing what governments do - and doing it poorly. But I feel the media hype is hiding something else - something they really don't want people to be looking at. What it is exactly I can't say - it could be simply the globalist shell game of economic growth was crashing before the outbreak -. and this offered a convenient excuse to hide that the whole system is not sustainable - corrupt and ultimately anti-human.

And before anyone points out the ships and the infection rate - contrary to what a lot have said here - cruise ships are actually a poor case study. You have a lot of people living in really close quarters - I would have been shocked (and assumed authority were lying) if a large part of the passengers didn't get infected. We already knew COVID-19 was infectious - we didn't need 3k pasangers locked on a floating prison to prove it.
 Quoting: DDR Lover


Agreed statistics can be changed to suit what ever you want the people to follow.

And the way you show it yep its a non burger.

But then you just look at what the china government has done.
And then you know this aint some flu.
Actions speak better than words.
And chaina is running around with its hair on fire atm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78476770

That is the part that has me scratching my head. Actions are more important than all the math and numbers they through out.

I wonder if China over-reacted (is over-reacting) because of past mistakes? Was the trade war with the US hitting them much deeper than expected, and they chose this (COVID) to hide the fact that Americans just are not buying stuff?

Outside of the obvious flawed numbers, I think there is a bigger game afoot - and at the very least governments are using this outbreak to do some shaddy things.
 Quoting: DDR Lover


Again given what is leaking through the massive censorship is very concerning.

I do not think China is "overreacting". If it's not a big issue, China would just let those people die.

If it is a big issue for China in the LONG-TERM e.g. the disease is bigger than publicly thought -> Massive actions as they do right now.
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I think we agree. I just want to know what else is going on. China hid the dead from the Tiananmen Square protests pretty well. So I wonder why they are not doing it now (to a greater degree) The internet may have something to do with them not being able to hide as much as in the past - but also in 1989 China wasn't the world's factory whore. The west (leadership) would have been more than happy to see the CCP fall at that time.

I am trying to peek behind the curtain. That's all. It is better to assume doom is on - than to not be ready.
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