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From an article posted Jan. 23, link doesn’t post, here:

Acting FEMA Director Pete Gaynor on Wednesday offered President Trump a startling solution, Martial Law in the United States, to prevent the spread of a lethal Chinese Coronavirus that infected hundreds and killed at least 17 people in the Communist nation.

At first China blamed the virus on seafood. Then tainted “bat soup.” Now, the Chinesegovernment says rancid snake meat—a delicacy in china—may be the culprit. Regardless the cause, Xi Jinping responded by quarantining nearly 20 million people at the epicenter of the lethal pathogen, banning planes, trains, and automobiles from leaving or entering Wuhan in an unprecedented move aimed at containing the disease which has already spread to other countries. In America, FEMA took notice.

An agency source speaking under promise of anonymity said Gaynor cautioned Trump to doubt the Center for Disease Control’s (CDC) assertion that only one infected person—a Washington man now under the care of a robotic surgeon—had entered the United States. That individual initially sought treatment for a common cold but went misdiagnosed for a week, during which time he could have inadvertently transmitted the virus to countless people.

“Whether or not he believes it, Gaynor said America may be in the middle of a pandemic and not even know it. He told Trump the CDC works under authority of the WHO, and that the WHO intentionally misrepresents facts to prevent widespread hysteria. He alleged hundreds or thousands in the U.S. might be already infected,” our source said.

And Xi Jinping, Gaynor told Trump, made the right move in imposing a de facto state of Martial Law in Wuhan and other Chinese cities. He suggested that Trump instruct Washington Governor Jay Inslee to at once declare Martial Law and quarantine Snohomish County. The unidentified patient, who is in his 30s and lives alone in Snohomish County, was determined to have close contact with 16 people during his five days back in the US before he received a diagnosis Monday for the contagious virus. Those 16 persons, Gaynor said, are potential carriers that could unwittingly infect an entire city or state, or even the nation.

FEMA, he said, was prepared to act and had taken the liberty of designing plans that wouldsee 1,500 armed FEMA agents descend on Snohomish County, setting up roadblocks and interrogating persons who display even a single symptom. Those symptoms, however, are like any other upper-respiratory ailment and can include coughing, sneezing, or clearing one’s throat.

“Snohomish county would just be a testbed,” our source said. “FEMA wants nationwide Martial Law and will use any crisis to work toward that goal. The virus in the latest crisis, and FEMA doesn’t want to waste it. Gaynor bluntly told Trump many Americans will resist Martial Law and that FEMA would take decisive action to deal with them.”

Gun confiscation, Gaynor told Trump, would be mandatory. FEMA would conduct no-knock “wellness checks” on residents and seize any and all firearms found in homes. These extreme measures, he added, are needed to prevent the citizenry from starting an insurrection on government authority.

But President Trump, our source said, raised an eyebrow and asked Gaynor what qualifications FEMA had to judge infected from non-infected persons. Gaynor’s response: Grant FEMA control of the CDC.

Trump allegedly said he would consider Gaynor’s idea, but wanted to hear what DHS Secretary Chad Wolf thought of FEMA’s plan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77999315


What a crock of shit.

CDC does NOT work under the control of WHO.

CDC is part of HHS, which is a cabinet-level department that reports directly to the President of the United States.

Under no circumstances does CDC genuflect to WHO.

Conversely, WHO is able to function because of the financial and technical support of the US government.

The US also plays a role in governance of the body.

WHO is an element of the United Nations and a bureaucratic nightmare.

WHO is more of an organization that COORDINATES broad international responses to public health emergencies.

The saying is; "No Bucks, No Buck Rogers!" As such, WHO gives China head in public in order to keep the funding.

This is just the start at picking apart the bullshit in this incredibly inaccurate piece.

While no government organization runs smoothly, HHS / CDC and the National Academies are, hands down, world leaders in
public health, core research, disease prevention, etc..

Whenever shit goes sideways in the world in regards to disease outbreaks, while WHO gets the press attention, make no
mistake. The CDC is the one of the first groups they are on the phone with the help get shit under control.
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The CDC is a privately owned company.
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Caught red-handed! Same woman acts as nurse on day 1, and a cured patient from #FangCang on day 2, at #CCP's official "news" reports. One of the many scenes in #China during #coronavirusoutbreak


Check out @jenniferatntd’s Tweet: [link to twitter.com (secure)]

As a westerner, its difficult to dispute

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So if they’re having to fake cured patients, does that mean....?damned
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what the hell?

there has to be a couple of them.

that makes no sense.
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A notice in Wuhan and READ the comments!!!

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Caught red-handed! Same woman acts as nurse on day 1, and a cured patient from #FangCang on day 2, at #CCP's official "news" reports. One of the many scenes in #China during #coronavirusoutbreak


Check out @jenniferatntd’s Tweet: [link to twitter.com (secure)]

As a westerner, its difficult to dispute

grinning
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So if they’re having to fake cured patients, does that mean....?damned
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what the hell?

there has to be a couple of them.

that makes no sense.
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doesn't look like the same person at all
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Copy/Past the first paragraph of article into google and many links can be found.
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Its FAKE

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That is one of the most bullshit articles I have ever read.

Some asshole kid who worked for the LA times tried to claim this virus came from seafood?

Nice try.
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This is the number of people infected in a small community.

In total, 60 people have been infected and 7 people have died.
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The CDC is a privately owned company.
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No...they have an entity that is, but the CDC is most definitely a department of the federal government.
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The CDC is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia

The CDC Foundation operates independently from CDC as a private, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization incorporated in the State of Georgia.

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The CDC is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia

The CDC Foundation operates independently from CDC as a private, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization incorporated in the State of Georgia.

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My bad. Thanks for clarifying.

For a while there I thought it was private like the FED bank.
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comment:

I like to compare dead vs cured. Dead vs currently infected means nothing. Using the completed numbers it’s like a 30%!dead rate. We have no idea how many mild cases there are. Of the seriosly sick, at least 30% die.
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Last year at the end of April my wife and I flew to Singapore for a 2 week SE Asia holiday. We stayed at the Hard Rock @ Sentosa. We were both impressed with the cleanliness of the place and that you always saw attendants in the toilets. Gardeners/maintenance people would constantly spray outside, cleaners would walk around with sprays and wipes, always going over door handles and surfaces people would come in contact with. The locals we met are very proud of their country and would happily explain how aware they are of preventing a bird flu. One taxi driver could not stop boasting about his country and explained to us the creation of a huge underground reservoir that would help them be self sufficient in fresh water supply. They rely heavily on Malaysia. After watching their Presidents address on Covid-19 the other day, it hit home big time. This country has actively prepped for this for years and years.
We took a 3 day cruise to Malaysia and Indonesia. Did not disembark at either place. Again, on the ship, witnessed non stop cleaning similar to described above. Another poster on this thread articulated cruise ship norovirus protocols. This bug has a big set of balls.
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The CDC is a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services and is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia

The CDC Foundation operates independently from CDC as a private, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization incorporated in the State of Georgia.

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My bad. Thanks for clarifying.

For a while there I thought it was private like the FED bank.
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eplying to
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Plague is also very contagious because the plague can spread through the air when a person coughs. Symptoms include:
•Cough, sometimes with blood
•Trouble breathing
•Nausea and vomiting

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Mr Top Secret said cough with blood.
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These three facts alone:

1. Immediate lock down of millions
2. Passive admission of stricter biological material controls
3. Tame Imapala releases one of the best albums I ever heard on 2.13.2020
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Dunno if up already but here is the live report.

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From an article posted Jan. 23, link doesn’t post, here:

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hesrightglassesoffwaitwhat
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Calling 100% bullshit on this. Even of some idiot proposed the idea (lots of bad ideas in govt and public policy) that would not be executed.

That plan is so absurd... 1500 FEMA agents kicking in US citizens doors and grabbing guns lol. Actually Laughable ... for many many obvious reasons.
MSM said hold my beer and watch this....
MS America drank the beer and did not watch... and here we are.
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If you are in Wuhan you are toast.
The whole province actually.

Outside wuhand the virus is getting under control it seems with fewer new cases and far less people dying.

It will just justify further stringent containment to wuhan untill the virus runns its course.

If the trend continues most of China will start working again.

Right now I hear many many factories are still closed and plan to open next week.

However, it is expected 30-50% of workers will simply not show up for work and it may take 1-2 months to get back to pre virus operations.

In my own factory 50% of workers have quit or are not expected to return already. Roads are deserted and we are the only ones "open" atm.
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On the coronavirus, a senior administration official tells me the US does “not have high confidence in the information coming out of China.” This official says “China continues to rebuff American offers of assistance.

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Looking at all the hatred for China on here, and using this a microcosm of American thinking, can anyone be surprised they don't want American 'help'?

Not sure I would either.
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Fuck China and Fuck the inclusive left retards
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Never use GLP as a microcosm of American thinking. This is hardcore niche here.

The average microcosm of American thinking right now is nothing along the lines of anything here. They're thinking about their sportsball team and statistics, the Kardashians or whatever celeb idol they worship, when the Mcrib will come back and why they ever took it away, why Netflix is cancelling Friends and what will they do with their downtime after that happens, and how to get their rent down while working two jobs to pay off their student loans before they're 50, if they don't die of alcoholism or opiate abuse first to numb the pain.

They haven't the foggiest idea any of this is going down. If it's not on the Zionist controlled mainstream media they don't know about it and definitely don't want to be talking about it unless their idol is twatting about it. And today's hottest twat topic is "#Galentines Day".

So if you want a microcosm of American thinking, try to get in their heads, think "#Galentines Day" right now, in the midst of all that's going on that's what's on their collective mind. And ask yourself, when exactly is the McRib coming back and how can I get it cheaper than they sell it for because I can't afford that shit after these student loans. Then you'll have a deeper understanding of what the drones are buzzing about.

Here you will find all kinds of shit from people who know what the fuck is actually up and will scare the shit out of you with their uncanny ability to read between the lines, to people who are obviously weeks off their meds, to people who would be a better fit in 11th century with their ideals and zealotry never once possessing the conscious awareness that they are exactly like everything they say they stand against and everything in between, but a microcosm of popular thought this is not so take that as you will.

It is a place of free thought, mostly, and free speech, mostly and that's becoming increasingly rare. It's a place we can assemble and try, together, to discern the bullshit from the gold nuggets trapped in the turds. It's dominated heavily here by the extreme right wing post Trump, but it didn't always use to be this way. They have their place as well and I'd reckon they will be some of those left standing after all of this goes down because they are preparedness slanted, while most are not. So they gravitate here to be among like minds and that tips the balance heavily in their favor for presence on this site. But I do trust that their awareness of their values are being eroded in the name of a new world order being forced on us, an ugly order of lies, and they are ready to at least shine a light on that ugliness where others don't even want to bother to look.

Most people can't process information like this, or don't want to. They don't think like this, it's not the way their energy is, it physically causes them discomfort to go this far out of their box. And you won't find many here who have that level of energy. Because they don't gravitate towards it. That's just the way it works, nothing new about that.
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On the coronavirus, a senior administration official tells me the US does “not have high confidence in the information coming out of China.” This official says “China continues to rebuff American offers of assistance.

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Looking at all the hatred for China on here, and using this a microcosm of American thinking, can anyone be surprised they don't want American 'help'?

Not sure I would either.
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Fuck China and Fuck the inclusive left retards
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Never use GLP as a microcosm of American thinking. This is hardcore niche here.

The average microcosm of American thinking right now is nothing along the lines of anything here. They're thinking about their sportsball team and statistics, the Kardashians or whatever celeb idol they worship, when the Mcrib will come back and why they ever took it away, why Netflix is cancelling Friends and what will they do with their downtime after that happens, and how to get their rent down while working two jobs to pay off their student loans before they're 50, if they don't die of alcoholism or opiate abuse first to numb the pain.

They haven't the foggiest idea any of this is going down. If it's not on the Zionist controlled mainstream media they don't know about it and definitely don't want to be talking about it unless their idol is twatting about it. And today's hottest twat topic is "#Galentines Day".

So if you want a microcosm of American thinking, try to get in their heads, think "#Galentines Day" right now, in the midst of all that's going on that's what's on their collective mind. And ask yourself, when exactly is the McRib coming back and how can I get it cheaper than they sell it for because I can't afford that shit after these student loans. Then you'll have a deeper understanding of what the drones are buzzing about.

Here you will find all kinds of shit from people who know what the fuck is actually up and will scare the shit out of you with their uncanny ability to read between the lines, to people who are obviously weeks off their meds, to people who would be a better fit in 11th century with their ideals and zealotry never once possessing the conscious awareness that they are exactly like everything they say they stand against and everything in between, but a microcosm of popular thought this is not so take that as you will.

It is a place of free thought, mostly, and free speech, mostly and that's becoming increasingly rare. It's a place we can assemble and try, together, to discern the bullshit from the gold nuggets trapped in the turds. It's dominated heavily here by the extreme right wing post Trump, but it didn't always use to be this way. They have their place as well and I'd reckon they will be some of those left standing after all of this goes down because they are preparedness slanted, while most are not. So they gravitate here to be among like minds and that tips the balance heavily in their favor for presence on this site. But I do trust that their awareness of their values are being eroded in the name of a new world order being forced on us, an ugly order of lies, and they are ready to at least shine a light on that ugliness where others don't even want to bother to look.

Most people can't process information like this, or don't want to. They don't think like this, it's not the way their energy is, it physically causes them discomfort to go this far out of their box. And you won't find many here who have that level of energy. Because they don't gravitate towards it. That's just the way it works, nothing new about that.
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Slow down Tyler Durden...

I think you are preaching to the crowd.

Great post.
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Jetstar flight special on e-mail yesterday.
Melbourne to Hobart $29-00 AUD $19-51 USD
Approx 725km - 450 miles.
Nothing to worry about. OK.
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Live: The State Council's inter-agency task force briefing on the safety of medical staff members #COVID19 USE-FULL-LINK-HA93ZxUtul

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Jetstar flight special on e-mail yesterday.
Melbourne to Hobart $29-00 AUD $19-51 USD
Approx 725km - 450 miles.
Nothing to worry about. OK.
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So nobody will be on that Coronavirus?
Does the destination have a hospital outpost.
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Jeez 1,102 health workers in Wuhan are infected!

Now we know why all the extra nurses etc...

as per live China presser.

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Slow down Tyler Durden...

I think you are preaching to the crowd.

Great post.
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Yeah people here long enough will know what I mean for sure. I've been here since we were all stuck looking at the cams on the underwater drills all day in the Gulf. What I'm seeing is a bunch of people in the Asian world saying that the West is responsible for this and another group in the West speculating that China is to blame for releasing this intentionally or by accident, and neither side realizing that nobody on either side will ever know the truth.

The version of the truth they want us to hear and believe will be given by the people in the shadows holding the candle at the back of the puppet show, delivered by the puppets. And we're going to be fighting over our "truths" and be left picking up the pieces after. While they scurry away to safety with our treasure.
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ffs. so now if you feel completely normal you can just keel over.
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No wonder those dudes with shopping bags just dropped. Lady face plant into the produce.

Might be the answer to why folks were out and about when "sick"

Not sure if its BS or not.
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This thing is mutating and I am sad to say it seems to be doing so fast.

[link to nextstrain.org (secure)]

Not a virologist but just looking at the drift of this virus is pretty damn crazy... I can only imagine what a full, up to date of every every case, data set would look like.

Granted this looks bad a full dataset could confirm, make it worse, or make it look better...

Though on the limited set and limited time this is, as bad as it sounds, pretty impressive. It looks like it is drifting much much faster than the regular flu... What it does in months it takes the flu years to do. (On surface value mutations; I have not looked into the specifics impacts of the mutations just the number)

So yes as bad as it sounds it could be possible that there is a type b already; but a full data set would be needed in my opinion.

China is not releasing much of anything. I want to point one very odd thing out a few days ago in the WHO press briefing the first question asked was it true that Australia was able to isolate the LIVE virus from a patient...

I believe there is going to be a pretty big difference live sample vs the synthetic created virus.

The fact that it is not being released by china should be telling... for a PCR test it is preferable to have a live virus vs synthesized... the same applies for other detection techniques... That bothers me when looking at the big picture... you have to scratch your head and wonder why not share the live virus with the world so you can actually try to get ahead of this thing.

On a different note the PCR test is a RNA amplification test that is looking for markers of the virus in blood. We are talking potential to pick up in the early stages of infection BUT is not fully accurate, that is by design of the test. The CDC test coming back as undetermined, in my opinion, means they have the virus. The test is designed to amplify the RNA in the blood so if 2 of 3 markers pop positive it will come back as indetermined... It simply means we are seeing two out of three strange things when there should be none...

I encourage those interested to look into PCR testing to understand the imporatnce of not only a live virus but also the accuracy. A good example is HIV... if after all of these years it takes that long for a PCR for HIV to show... Why the F do we think overnight we can detect it the minute some one is sneazed on. It test is about about the viral replication and amount in your blood... this is after infection but before antibodies are built.

Which poses the somewhat scarier question... how long after the infection will antibody tests actually be visable. In HIV 97% will produce antibodies in three weeks... this virus who knows? If you cannot detect it with an PCR-RNA test in two weeks... then we still don't understand this at all OR the rna sequencing was wrong (remember this was based on the synthetic virus China released; and Australia isolated the live virus... then the CDC came out and said the test kits were bad...)

All of this is just food for thought. Sorry lots of words but I think it will help address a lot of things going on as well as help to explain a lot of the 'testing' outrage.

Apologize for grammar and spelling this is just one typed out thought no review.
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I think that's a good assessment. The fact China isn't sharing info on a killer virus doesn't make sense. I know they are commies, but still. Wasn't Trump having meeting with these people over trade? And they won't share info on a deadly virus? Wtf?
They won't let scientists in to figure this shit out. It's fucked up. Then again, they are beating dogs heads in..guess I shouldn't expect much...

So, does China even have working test kits? Does ANYONE have a working test kit?

Our hospital had someone from a cruise ship who was sick. Were they able to even test for this virus? Probably not I'm assuming.

Would regular flu tests turn positive if they have WuFlu? Or would this virus be completely different ?
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The test kits response would be very speculative. So it is possible China does have better working kits simply by having the live virus isolated. China gave the sequence of the virus out for it to be synthesized. Any work done on the test would have been based off the rna sequence given by China which was first recreated by Australia.

So that question in The Who press conference was very important and revealing... Australia has been able to isolate the live virus. Then with I believe 24 hours or so the US CDC says there are problems with the first test kits showing indeterminate.

The pcr test by design is looking for a specific rna/ DNA sequence or sequences. The tests are designed to be an amplifier and pick up trace amounts off dna/rna that are statistically significant. To simplify Your basically Trying to find specific needles in the haystack based on metal compesition and interpreting the magnetic residence of that alloy. (Your basically targeting certain compositions of an ally in a huge sample). In tests like that you cannot use one specific piece of the rna you need multiple pieces. Basically you can put it on statistics strong signal on 99.9% sure strong signal on the second 99% sure weak signal on the third then it is indeterminate. Your shown two positives and one maybe...

When you get a maybe you get a undetermined because what you are looking for is there or appears to be their but it does not meet the test criteria of confirmation of statistical significance of the entire test. PCR tests are designed to confirm and will always error of non confirmation when there is not enough signal. Hence indeterminate.

So if the rna sequence used to synthesize the virus and if the synthesized virus was used to design the specific rna sequences to look for were not correct then you would expect multiple indeterminate... because your seeing multiple fingerprints of the strands but not all of them.

What I am speculating on that we might have had the wrong sequences being targeted. Why a live virus is important.

Now no the pcr test is designed for specific viruses it’s not a universal test and really does require special lab equipment. Not many stand alone facilities have them, maybe research hospitals, but they are generally sent off to labs for processing... because of the equipment and specialization of running the test.

Remember these tests are amplifications looking for minute amounts there is a level of tolerance involved and a level used to confirm. Example you may have the virus but the count is low... then it would end up as noise... but as the viral count grows the test will pict up on those signals.

That is why you see negative tests in a row then randomly a positive. It’s when it becomes detectable with statistical confidence that it is confirmed. Indeterminate would be picking up positive signals but not at proper confidence.

So I do not blame the cdc or believe the tests were necessarily bad by returning indeterminate... for that to happen what they were looking for was likely not accurate and not the test.... but indeterminate also says at least part of what they were looking for was identified.

I know long response just trying to explain in a simplified manner how pcr tests work.

So to answer the others (sorry if I did above, I am on a tablet right now)
China could possibly have an accurate test or they could not. I can’t answer that with certainty.

I believe most of the world will have an accurate and more refined test shortly. (Since we are now getting to the point we can isolate live viruses)

Regular flu would 100% not cause a pcr test to show positive. Remember the pcr is designed for specific rna or dna of a specific virus... not symptom based or observation based but rna or dna sequencing based.

Hope that helps. I am not an expert on all of this but I know enough to understand how they work.

As far as proof to what I have said above google pcr tests for hiv. It is a really good example and is a more commonly used and more refined pcr test. The above is trying to put how it works in a general digestible level (with the needles in haystacks etc...)

Follow up note:
Here is one thing that appears to be very difficult about detecting this virus using PCR it appears to show up in different fluids at different times by case almost arbitrary by case. Show up in throat cultures but not blood or intestines and no other.. in saliva without blood etc. just interesting (ex HIV PCR is blood test)

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MSM said hold my beer and watch this....
MS America drank the beer and did not watch... and here we are.
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On the coronavirus, a senior administration official tells me the US does “not have high confidence in the information coming out of China.” This official says “China continues to rebuff American offers of assistance.

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Looking at all the hatred for China on here, and using this a microcosm of American thinking, can anyone be surprised they don't want American 'help'?

Not sure I would either.
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Fuck China and Fuck the inclusive left retards
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Never use GLP as a microcosm of American thinking. This is hardcore niche here.

The average microcosm of American thinking right now is nothing along the lines of anything here. They're thinking about their sportsball team and statistics, the Kardashians or whatever celeb idol they worship, when the Mcrib will come back and why they ever took it away, why Netflix is cancelling Friends and what will they do with their downtime after that happens, and how to get their rent down while working two jobs to pay off their student loans before they're 50, if they don't die of alcoholism or opiate abuse first to numb the pain.

They haven't the foggiest idea any of this is going down. If it's not on the Zionist controlled mainstream media they don't know about it and definitely don't want to be talking about it unless their idol is twatting about it. And today's hottest twat topic is "#Galentines Day".

So if you want a microcosm of American thinking, try to get in their heads, think "#Galentines Day" right now, in the midst of all that's going on that's what's on their collective mind. And ask yourself, when exactly is the McRib coming back and how can I get it cheaper than they sell it for because I can't afford that shit after these student loans. Then you'll have a deeper understanding of what the drones are buzzing about.

Here you will find all kinds of shit from people who know what the fuck is actually up and will scare the shit out of you with their uncanny ability to read between the lines, to people who are obviously weeks off their meds, to people who would be a better fit in 11th century with their ideals and zealotry never once possessing the conscious awareness that they are exactly like everything they say they stand against and everything in between, but a microcosm of popular thought this is not so take that as you will.

It is a place of free thought, mostly, and free speech, mostly and that's becoming increasingly rare. It's a place we can assemble and try, together, to discern the bullshit from the gold nuggets trapped in the turds. It's dominated heavily here by the extreme right wing post Trump, but it didn't always use to be this way. They have their place as well and I'd reckon they will be some of those left standing after all of this goes down because they are preparedness slanted, while most are not. So they gravitate here to be among like minds and that tips the balance heavily in their favor for presence on this site. But I do trust that their awareness of their values are being eroded in the name of a new world order being forced on us, an ugly order of lies, and they are ready to at least shine a light on that ugliness where others don't even want to bother to look.

Most people can't process information like this, or don't want to. They don't think like this, it's not the way their energy is, it physically causes them discomfort to go this far out of their box. And you won't find many here who have that level of energy. Because they don't gravitate towards it. That's just the way it works, nothing new about that.
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That was awesome!! Thank you!

When IS the Mcrib coming back?

I bet the skies over Beijing and Shanghai have never been so blue.

hf
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Slow down Tyler Durden...

I think you are preaching to the crowd.

Great post.
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Yeah people here long enough will know what I mean for sure. I've been here since we were all stuck looking at the cams on the underwater drills all day in the Gulf. What I'm seeing is a bunch of people in the Asian world saying that the West is responsible for this and another group in the West speculating that China is to blame for releasing this intentionally or by accident, and neither side realizing that nobody on either side will ever know the truth.

The version of the truth they want us to hear and believe will be given by the people in the shadows holding the candle at the back of the puppet show, delivered by the puppets. And we're going to be fighting over our "truths" and be left picking up the pieces after. While they scurry away to safety with our treasure.
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On topic, I SEE a possible "The Day the Earth Stood Still" scenario.
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I'm here in South GA (US) and my aunt who had "normal flu" sent us a family text that she tested positive and none of the rest of our local family should expect to come to her home for a while. She's on Tamilflu... And rest I suppose.

I work remotely and have been keeping up with GLP. Husband works for a software company in FL and I keep saying "don't bring that sh*t home from your office!"

We live in an area where every home has firearms, but that won't help you kick this.

We have enough in home to sustain is for several weeks, but no real preps behind that. Wishing we had more space for preps at the moment.

Currently wondering how people in our situation...in small towns/cities can fair with something like this threat. We tend to take care of eachother here, but what happens when many of us can't take care of one another if things turn nasty in rural-ish US?

Just months ago, my job required that I travel extensively throughout the US. I'm already a bit of a germaphobe and presently SO GLAD to not be in airports constantly. Can't stand being in public with all this going on.

I recall mega-dosing vitC during other flus in college and we're doing that now... Though I don't even know if it helped in the past. We didn't get sick, but many others didn't either without trying alternative interventions.

If this does get big in the states, I'm sure there are people like me--not prepped per se, but also not those who know nothing--who really won't know what to do.

This whole situation will suck for a while at least until we get some true scientific backup on WTF is actually going on.

Prayers for us all.
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I don't know why but I have this strange feeling that some really bad news is going to come out tomorrow. I hope I'm wrong but Valentine's day and Virus could be a bad combination.
Here's to a merry life and a happy one
A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl and an honest one
A stiff whiskey and another one





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