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The exodus of New York. Big lines this morning at UHAUL. CATASTROPHIC setbacks in quality of life —-people have had enough.

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Nef... my heart goes out to you with the quitting smoking. It's a bear. I quit at one point using nicotine gum, but eventually started smoking again when I dated (and later married, and have since divorced) as smoker. I finally did quit actual cigarettes a number of years back, by switching over to vaping.

I still vape nicotine. It may or may not be less horrible for me than smoking, but it's cleaner, my lungs feel better, and it doesn't stink. I can vape inside, too, which I can't do with smoking (roommates).

I've been meaning to give a go at canning. I've never done it. I bought the only electric pressure cooker that said it can do pressure canning (though there is also one Instant Pot that does it now, too.) I would have gone with an old-school pressure canner, except that we're in a converted loft space, and our stove is a hotplate ... so I don't trust that at all. My grandma did canning with an oldschool pressure cooker, but I never learned how to do it.

I got worried about the water supply a while back ... I now have two Berkey filters (a light, which I have had for years, and a Royal) ... and I have an even larger one still on backorder. I have a bunch of water storage containers, too... though we are a household of four, so even all that only goes so far.

I do have a good supply of non-perishables built up in my pantry, which is great.

I have sprouts sprouting, and Aerogardens to plant.... I certainly don't have the self sufficiency of a farm owner, or even someone with a yard ... but I'm doing about as well as an apartment dweller can.
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Sounds like your doing good. We can only do with what we have and what our situation allows. It's easy for some to say you need to be on 10 acres in the middle of BFE in order to survive the coming times.That's not an option for most. So I say give those folks the finger for playing the surviving game on easy mode. Come play on the hard level with me and plan to survive in a city. thumbs
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Hahaha! And join me as I try to make an international move back to Italy by FEBRUARY 1st! I don't have a valid driver's license and my military ID is expired, and I will need to update my government passport and get a visa in order to live in Italy. All of those offices are closed and/or backlogged for months. Won't this be fun?

The good news is that we know what we are doing.....it's not our first rodeo living overseas. Best case scenario, we pull it off. Worst case scenario, I get left behind. I'm getting very serious about that scenario.....planning and prepping just in case.

My point is that we all have serious (albeit different) challenges, and we just have to rise up to meet those challenges head on.
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Oh, and hello and Happy Saturday to everyone! hf
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Oh Nef, I wish you the best with quitting smoking! (No judgement!)
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Oh, and hello and Happy Saturday to everyone! hf
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Saying prayers for y’all.

And my ass will still be here, in the middle of the country, sitting on my couch, just shaking my head.....
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NOT BECKY!!!


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Oh, and hello and Happy Saturday to everyone! hf
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Saying prayers for y’all.

And my ass will still be here, in the middle of the country, sitting on my couch, just shaking my head.....
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So glad you have your "Sheldon spot!" hf
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Nef... my heart goes out to you with the quitting smoking. It's a bear. I quit at one point using nicotine gum, but eventually started smoking again when I dated (and later married, and have since divorced) as smoker. I finally did quit actual cigarettes a number of years back, by switching over to vaping.

I still vape nicotine. It may or may not be less horrible for me than smoking, but it's cleaner, my lungs feel better, and it doesn't stink. I can vape inside, too, which I can't do with smoking (roommates).

I've been meaning to give a go at canning. I've never done it. I bought the only electric pressure cooker that said it can do pressure canning (though there is also one Instant Pot that does it now, too.) I would have gone with an old-school pressure canner, except that we're in a converted loft space, and our stove is a hotplate ... so I don't trust that at all. My grandma did canning with an oldschool pressure cooker, but I never learned how to do it.

I got worried about the water supply a while back ... I now have two Berkey filters (a light, which I have had for years, and a Royal) ... and I have an even larger one still on backorder. I have a bunch of water storage containers, too... though we are a household of four, so even all that only goes so far.

I do have a good supply of non-perishables built up in my pantry, which is great.

I have sprouts sprouting, and Aerogardens to plant.... I certainly don't have the self sufficiency of a farm owner, or even someone with a yard ... but I'm doing about as well as an apartment dweller can.
 Quoting: Doommonkey


Sounds like your doing good. We can only do with what we have and what our situation allows. It's easy for some to say you need to be on 10 acres in the middle of BFE in order to survive the coming times.That's not an option for most. So I say give those folks the finger for playing the surviving game on easy mode. Come play on the hard level with me and plan to survive in a city. thumbs
 Quoting: Nefarious Libertine



Hahaha! And join me as I try to make an international move back to Italy by FEBRUARY 1st! I don't have a valid driver's license and my military ID is expired, and I will need to update my government passport and get a visa in order to live in Italy. All of those offices are closed and/or backlogged for months. Won't this be fun?

The good news is that we know what we are doing.....it's not our first rodeo living overseas. Best case scenario, we pull it off. Worst case scenario, I get left behind. I'm getting very serious about that scenario.....planning and prepping just in case.

My point is that we all have serious (albeit different) challenges, and we just have to rise up to meet those challenges head on.
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Exactly right!!

And best of luck to you on getting to Italy. hf
We do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced. In a surprising manner, 250 years emerges as the average length of national greatness. This average has not varied for 3,000years. The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:
The Age of Pioneers , The Age of Conquests ,The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect ,The Age of Decadence.
Decadence is marked by: Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism,Frivolity An influx of foreigners The Welfare State A weakening of religion. Decadence is due to: Too long a period of wealth and power, Selfishness Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.
The life histories of great states are amazingly similar, and are due to internal factors. Their falls are diverse, because they are largely the result of external causes. - Sir John Glubb The Fate of Empires
We are at the end of the Age of Decadence heading into COLLAPSE
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Oh, and hello and Happy Saturday to everyone! hf
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Saying prayers for y’all.

And my ass will still be here, in the middle of the country, sitting on my couch, just shaking my head.....
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So glad you have your "Sheldon spot!" hf
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Don’t ya know that the prince and the princess both tried to take it over today......

Oh I gave Zeph this cute little veterinarian playmobile set, yesterday. That vet was busy....on the farm. In the jungle. On a mountain. In the ocean.
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Oh Nef, I wish you the best with quitting smoking! (No judgement!)
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Thanks not giving up yet. It's fall back and regroup and hit it from another angle. The cold turkey thing after 35 years doesn't seem to be a good plan of action.
We do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced. In a surprising manner, 250 years emerges as the average length of national greatness. This average has not varied for 3,000years. The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:
The Age of Pioneers , The Age of Conquests ,The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect ,The Age of Decadence.
Decadence is marked by: Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism,Frivolity An influx of foreigners The Welfare State A weakening of religion. Decadence is due to: Too long a period of wealth and power, Selfishness Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.
The life histories of great states are amazingly similar, and are due to internal factors. Their falls are diverse, because they are largely the result of external causes. - Sir John Glubb The Fate of Empires
We are at the end of the Age of Decadence heading into COLLAPSE
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And those 6 counties shut down nightlife.... all surrounding counties pick up the slack....

Well at least she will be able to justify more closures. Dominos being setup.

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And those 6 counties shut down nightlife.... all surrounding counties pick up the slack....

Well at least she will be able to justify more closures. Dominos being setup.

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Anyone with an ounce of sense would have known this would happen.
We do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced. In a surprising manner, 250 years emerges as the average length of national greatness. This average has not varied for 3,000years. The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:
The Age of Pioneers , The Age of Conquests ,The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect ,The Age of Decadence.
Decadence is marked by: Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism,Frivolity An influx of foreigners The Welfare State A weakening of religion. Decadence is due to: Too long a period of wealth and power, Selfishness Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.
The life histories of great states are amazingly similar, and are due to internal factors. Their falls are diverse, because they are largely the result of external causes. - Sir John Glubb The Fate of Empires
We are at the end of the Age of Decadence heading into COLLAPSE
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Oh, and hello and Happy Saturday to everyone! hf
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Saying prayers for y’all.

And my ass will still be here, in the middle of the country, sitting on my couch, just shaking my head.....
 Quoting: CleverCreator



So glad you have your "Sheldon spot!" hf
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Don’t ya know that the prince and the princess both tried to take it over today......

Oh I gave Zeph this cute little veterinarian playmobile set, yesterday. That vet was busy....on the farm. In the jungle. On a mountain. In the ocean.
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Lol! That's so cute! :)
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Oh Nef, I wish you the best with quitting smoking! (No judgement!)
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Thanks not giving up yet. It's fall back and regroup and hit it from another angle. The cold turkey thing after 35 years doesn't seem to be a good plan of action.
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I agree. Cold turkey is torture for most people. The habit is as hard to break as the addiction. Maybe talk to your doctor and see if you can taper off vs. going cold turkey. One less cig per day is way less stressful than zero all at once. :)
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Nefarious Libertine

How's breaking the habit going?

I'm hoping

norespect
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Going about as well as old people fuck. Lots of moaning and bitching and not getting a whole lot accomplished. 1st day slept a lot. 2nd day climbing the walls, pacing the floor, looking for something to snack on. Don't have snacks in the house so I made a 4 layer triple chocolate cake with a chocolate ganache/mousse filling between the layers, with a chocolate butter cream frosting,with a chocolate mirror glaze on top. Only saving grace was it was so damn rich you could only eat a small sliver of it. 3rd day just as bad, my morning coffee is like masturbation without the pay off. It's still good but sorely lacking. Broke down at the end of third day and bought a pack. Stayed irritable and in a foul mood all day long. Also why I didn't post much couldn't just sit and read and post.
Going to get some patches and have at it again. Probably get as big as an elephant!
How was your time. chuckle
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Back before patches and such, my Father got oral cancer....three times. He had been smoking for almost 40 years. He improvised by putting a bit of pipe tobacco inside of a piece of aluminum foil in his cheek.

He successfully quit.
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Here is a piece of information that I read after watching a YouTube video today on a women who had six children that ranged between the ages of two and nineteen. They had all tested positive for the Corona virus. The mother was also positive, fought for three week and has now died due to the virus.

In the comments, a Mr. Garcia made this comment: I tried and tried to contact the FBI about this virus back, I want to say either last fall or this February. He was trying to advise someone in government about the virus. He tried to contact the FBI four times. Each time he was hung up on. This goes to show that I government was not responsive about the severity of the virus.
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From the very beginning I've always said it was never about the deaths. It was always about if you take a certain number of people out of the workforce at the same time the economy would collapse.
With the lockdowns they took a shit load of people out of the economy at one time for a long time. Blaming any political party doesn't matter anymore it won't change a thing what's done is done. Doesn't matter if you think the whole thing is a hoax or not the economic effects are real for everyone. Some are suffering now most will suffer later,but it will be felt by all.
The only two youtubers I follow and would recommend are
Full Spectrum Survival, he started doing a daily news update usually around 9 or 10 eastern. He finds some pretty good articles.
The other is Epic Economist also a daily video (usually) and those are put out in the evening. Both are about 12mins on average so nice and quick info with the morning coffee for me.
With the shortages,riots,virus,price increases and probably the most heated presidential election in our history. It doesn't matter who wins the other side will be pissed and things will just get worse on that front.
Prep like never before, don't think for a moment that things won't get progressively worse. You can take actions that help minimize you from getting the virus. There's nothing you can do about the collapsing economy.
We do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced. In a surprising manner, 250 years emerges as the average length of national greatness. This average has not varied for 3,000years. The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:
The Age of Pioneers , The Age of Conquests ,The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect ,The Age of Decadence.
Decadence is marked by: Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism,Frivolity An influx of foreigners The Welfare State A weakening of religion. Decadence is due to: Too long a period of wealth and power, Selfishness Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.
The life histories of great states are amazingly similar, and are due to internal factors. Their falls are diverse, because they are largely the result of external causes. - Sir John Glubb The Fate of Empires
We are at the end of the Age of Decadence heading into COLLAPSE
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Nefarious Libertine

How's breaking the habit going?

I'm hoping

norespect
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Going about as well as old people fuck. Lots of moaning and bitching and not getting a whole lot accomplished. 1st day slept a lot. 2nd day climbing the walls, pacing the floor, looking for something to snack on. Don't have snacks in the house so I made a 4 layer triple chocolate cake with a chocolate ganache/mousse filling between the layers, with a chocolate butter cream frosting,with a chocolate mirror glaze on top. Only saving grace was it was so damn rich you could only eat a small sliver of it. 3rd day just as bad, my morning coffee is like masturbation without the pay off. It's still good but sorely lacking. Broke down at the end of third day and bought a pack. Stayed irritable and in a foul mood all day long. Also why I didn't post much couldn't just sit and read and post.
Going to get some patches and have at it again. Probably get as big as an elephant!
How was your time. chuckle
 Quoting: Nefarious Libertine


Back before patches and such, my Father got oral cancer....three times. He had been smoking for almost 40 years. He improvised by putting a bit of pipe tobacco inside of a piece of aluminum foil in his cheek.

He successfully quit.
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Never heard of that one before.
We do not learn from history because our studies are brief and prejudiced. In a surprising manner, 250 years emerges as the average length of national greatness. This average has not varied for 3,000years. The stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:
The Age of Pioneers , The Age of Conquests ,The Age of Commerce ,The Age of Affluence ,The Age of Intellect ,The Age of Decadence.
Decadence is marked by: Defensiveness, Pessimism, Materialism,Frivolity An influx of foreigners The Welfare State A weakening of religion. Decadence is due to: Too long a period of wealth and power, Selfishness Love of money ,The loss of a sense of duty.
The life histories of great states are amazingly similar, and are due to internal factors. Their falls are diverse, because they are largely the result of external causes. - Sir John Glubb The Fate of Empires
We are at the end of the Age of Decadence heading into COLLAPSE
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Im about to quit smoking. This app I found is one way I plan to do it.
Still smoking so I don’t know if it works. Been smoking 43 years. This is a big dragon I’m facing down

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France is going crazy.

The hospital near me has reached "overload", the numbers given by the government are fake, they say facilities are empty but it's wrong. I know it because local news outlet and healthcare workers I know are reporting the overload even if the government denies it.

Sirens are wailing night and day, I have counted at least 20 sirens a day in my town and it's no big one, I have seen some ambulances in my streets with paramedics taking coughing people.

My GP tells "coronavirus is everywhere, most common medical issue these days" but the government still goes ahead with "live with the virus" "go on as normally as possible".

We are reopening schools and work as normally as possible, with no social distancing or whatever, only masks, over half of the masks french use have NOT ANY FILTRATION properties and are shown to be as effective as paper tissue to blow your nose.

Myself I am an older teacher with several major lung issues and overweight. We have no protection at all. Only paper masks, not N95 respirators or so. There are no measures at all in schools. Up to 38 students in the same classroom without distancing, windows are locked.

Government says to protect the vulnerable but it's fake, even in an area as infected as mine teachers with major comorbidities have to work without any protection.

I don't know what to do, being as sick as I am, I'm just probably going to die.
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In France you can't buy N95 and PPE unless you're an healthcare worker. So you can't even try to protect yourself.

Even with official figures, France has now more cases per capita than the USA and France is still undergoing exponential growth. (7500 last day, 6 times less populous than USA, makes 45000 cases in USA to be equivalent, USA had 42000 last day).

And we haven't reopened schools yet, and a lot of people are going back to work after holidays.
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France is going crazy.

The hospital near me has reached "overload", the numbers given by the government are fake, they say facilities are empty but it's wrong. I know it because local news outlet and healthcare workers I know are reporting the overload even if the government denies it.

Sirens are wailing night and day, I have counted at least 20 sirens a day in my town and it's no big one, I have seen some ambulances in my streets with paramedics taking coughing people.

My GP tells "coronavirus is everywhere, most common medical issue these days" but the government still goes ahead with "live with the virus" "go on as normally as possible".

We are reopening schools and work as normally as possible, with no social distancing or whatever, only masks, over half of the masks french use have NOT ANY FILTRATION properties and are shown to be as effective as paper tissue to blow your nose.

Myself I am an older teacher with several major lung issues and overweight. We have no protection at all. Only paper masks, not N95 respirators or so. There are no measures at all in schools. Up to 38 students in the same classroom without distancing, windows are locked.

Government says to protect the vulnerable but it's fake, even in an area as infected as mine teachers with major comorbidities have to work without any protection.

I don't know what to do, being as sick as I am, I'm just probably going to die.
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yikes
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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France is going crazy.

The hospital near me has reached "overload", the numbers given by the government are fake, they say facilities are empty but it's wrong. I know it because local news outlet and healthcare workers I know are reporting the overload even if the government denies it.

Sirens are wailing night and day, I have counted at least 20 sirens a day in my town and it's no big one, I have seen some ambulances in my streets with paramedics taking coughing people.

My GP tells "coronavirus is everywhere, most common medical issue these days" but the government still goes ahead with "live with the virus" "go on as normally as possible".

We are reopening schools and work as normally as possible, with no social distancing or whatever, only masks, over half of the masks french use have NOT ANY FILTRATION properties and are shown to be as effective as paper tissue to blow your nose.

Myself I am an older teacher with several major lung issues and overweight. We have no protection at all. Only paper masks, not N95 respirators or so. There are no measures at all in schools. Up to 38 students in the same classroom without distancing, windows are locked.

Government says to protect the vulnerable but it's fake, even in an area as infected as mine teachers with major comorbidities have to work without any protection.

I don't know what to do, being as sick as I am, I'm just probably going to die.
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yikes
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That's Macron for you. Plenty of fine speeches, boasting himself with "superior" moral values. But in reality, ruthless, predatory, coldblooded, scornful, without any empathy and going for herd immunity which is a bloody massacre.
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How's things?

Any other smart ass remarks from you all?
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I'm very sorry for all of you who have to work without adequate protection. Yet again, I have to say how grateful I am to work at a university that decided to go all digital this semester. I honestly don't think there is any safe way to open schools until the numbers decline dramatically.

The US is doing its share of hiding data, too ... but at least we have some states where the pandemic is being taken pretty seriously. I'm grateful to be in one of those places.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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Oh Nef, I wish you the best with quitting smoking! (No judgement!)
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Thanks not giving up yet. It's fall back and regroup and hit it from another angle. The cold turkey thing after 35 years doesn't seem to be a good plan of action.
 Quoting: Nefarious Libertine



I agree. Cold turkey is torture for most people. The habit is as hard to break as the addiction. Maybe talk to your doctor and see if you can taper off vs. going cold turkey. One less cig per day is way less stressful than zero all at once. :)
 Quoting: Serenity Now


Not really, Zero comes around at some point and then its make or break. Good luck.





GLP