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Coronavirus in Scotland: Covid cases hit four-month high

A total of 221 people tested positive for the virus in the past 24 hours - the highest daily figure since 8 May, when there were 225 positive tests.

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as the world starves from lack of meat, u better try kangaroo meat.

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2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Germany to draft new law amid rise in working from home

"Nobody should be forced to be available for the employer around the clock — neither at home, not the [normal workplace] office," Heil told the Hannover-based newspaper chain Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland (RND).

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Question for all of you still in cities and on community water. What are you doing for water when that fails?

Darth, your pups sound wonderful! I've always liked Huskies. Hope you find perfect homes for them!!
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stocked some cases of water. i am near a river and my stock place s near a stream.have pand to boil later. i have ,somewhere not handy, fish tank gravel and charcoal that could make a filter.
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I have about 200 gallons of water treated with chlorine in my barn. Some in 5 gallon water jugs, some in cleaned out wine bottles.

Have three generators plus fuel for my 400' deep well if required.

Also have a pond with about 10 acre feet of water, although that would take some filtering and treatment to be safe.

If all else fails, the water table here is HIGH, so I could actually dig a well with my backhoe in a couple of hours. Would have to filter and treat, of course.

One of the advantages of living in a wet climate; don't have to worry much about water supply.

Ref solar pumps, THANK YOU to my colleagues on the thread. I am going to purchase a solar pump to move water from the big pond to a small pond by my gardens. Running electricity over 1000 feet to power a pump was going to cost over $1000.

Ref the spread of Wuhan Virus outside of China, a friend contracted the virus on a bus tour of New England back in January. He said there were a number of constantly coughing Chinese tourists on board. He became extremely ill.

Makes me wonder if the Chicom leaders purposely sent infected people around the world to share the disaster.

He has lost kidney function and is expected to die within one year.
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I get my water from my pond...dig a gypsy well first than gravity pipe that through a series of filters to remove sedinemnt. Its easy to do.

Then pump the stuff into your main house filtration.

Just dont drink the stuff unless you get a uv light
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Some suburbs of Mumbai

Oxygen grows scarce in some parts of India as coronavirus cases rise


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that explains the mental problems. ohh wait u didn't mean in the air
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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10 September — Surprise! A host of tantalizing new SARS-CoV-2 proteins is unveiled

Researchers have discovered nearly two dozen previously unknown proteins encoded by SARS-CoV-2 — and their role during infection is mostly mysterious.

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NZ on protest

Hundreds of people have taken to the streets in Auckland, New Zealand to protest against government measures in the fight against the corona pandemic. Demonstrators were crowded on television, many of whom did not wear mouth and nose protection
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Welcome to your next wave NZ. Sorry.
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They should have mixed in some "Black Lives Matter" signs along with their other lockdown protest signs.

Everybody knows that scares corona away from protesters.
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Good evening Wordsie, how are you holding up over there? Why the Dunce hat?
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


so u are saying the ISS is a buggout vehicle for the elites. i always wondered if that was why NASA stopped space travel. they kept spending $$ building personal rockets to get up to it.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Germany to draft new law amid rise in working from home

"Nobody should be forced to be available for the employer around the clock — neither at home, not the [normal workplace] office," Heil told the Hannover-based newspaper chain Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland (RND).

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that is nice of them. make a law so they have to give the slaves time off to sleep in the work camps.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Some suburbs of Mumbai

Oxygen grows scarce in some parts of India as coronavirus cases rise


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that explains the mental problems. ohh wait u didn't mean in the air
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Well..not all of the air yet. Just that one open air building site under construction, where was it, Italy? And possibly all the areas that China “disinfected” via fogging.
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Germany to draft new law amid rise in working from home

"Nobody should be forced to be available for the employer around the clock — neither at home, not the [normal workplace] office," Heil told the Hannover-based newspaper chain Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland (RND).

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that is nice of them. make a law so they have to give the slaves time off to sleep in the work camps.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


Or to keep the slaves from earning more than they want/need.
Guess it depends on how you look at it.
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NZ on protest

Hundreds of people have taken to the streets in Auckland, New Zealand to protest against government measures in the fight against the corona pandemic. Demonstrators were crowded on television, many of whom did not wear mouth and nose protection
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Welcome to your next wave NZ. Sorry.
 Quoting: CleverCreator


They should have mixed in some "Black Lives Matter" signs along with their other lockdown protest signs.

Everybody knows that scares corona away from protesters.
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Good evening Wordsie, how are you holding up over there? Why the Dunce hat?
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he lost a bet and ran out of aluminium foil to make a foil 1.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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Report from a city I went to this morning.

Grocery prices increasing steeply or else far less in packs.

Non essential goods stores all holding sales or closing down

Line for public toilets was amazingly long.Due to sinks and stalls cordoned off.

Interesting one way arrows now set in tile eg for the long term, rather than stuck on plastic markers.

One way system does not make sense as walkiing side by side in two directions.

Many more stores demanding hand sanitised on entering and leaving.

Many stores closed and just giving goods at front door.
 Quoting: Rasen1

If you can say without blowing your cover,which city?
 Quoting: Leaver


One in the South-East.

Would be interesting to know if other parts of the country have the tiles now.
 Quoting: Rasen1


The closest Wal-Mart Market to us doesn't have tiles because it's a solid concrete floor, but they do have very high-quality long-lasting stickers on the floor indicating one-way aisles and six-foot markers at registers. People ignore them, of course.

I am truly getting tired of being one of the few to follow the fucking rules.
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CC, the GF wants to know what time they are coming to get us for our trip? before or after diner? she needs time to pack the dragon to meet hhis cousins too.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


so u are saying the ISS is a buggout vehicle for the elites. i always wondered if that was why NASA stopped space travel. they kept spending $$ building personal rockets to get up to it.
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No, the ISS is not self-sufficient. Without regular deliveries from Earth they would die of starvation of lack of oxygen. I'm talking self-sustaining colonies that could continue on by themselves if Earth were destroyed to make way for a hyperspace bypass.
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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


so u are saying the ISS is a buggout vehicle for the elites. i always wondered if that was why NASA stopped space travel. they kept spending $$ building personal rockets to get up to it.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


No, the ISS is not self-sufficient. Without regular deliveries from Earth they would die of starvation of lack of oxygen. I'm talking self-sustaining colonies that could continue on by themselves if Earth were destroyed to make way for a hyperspace bypass.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


Moon rush: NASA looking for companies to help mine the lunar surface
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'Experts say the move aims to set a legal precedent for mining on the surface of the moon.

Ultimately, that would allow NASA to one day collect materials useful to colonies there, and, eventually, on Mars.

"But I think the main reason for this initiative is to establish the legal principle that you can take ownership of lunar material," Thomas Cheney, lecturer in space governance at The Open University in the UK, told Euronews.'


The tender was put out yesterday.

ETA -
We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


Not to be a smartass, but if you can reach and match velocity with a celestial body, actually landing on it is just a thing that could go wrong and costs additional fuel. Main problem is comms reach and the inverse square law -> diminishing returns from solar panels as you get further from the sun. Further out you need a stronger signal, thus more power, or a larger receiver.

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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


so u are saying the ISS is a buggout vehicle for the elites. i always wondered if that was why NASA stopped space travel. they kept spending $$ building personal rockets to get up to it.
 Quoting: JAZZz50


No, the ISS is not self-sufficient. Without regular deliveries from Earth they would die of starvation of lack of oxygen. I'm talking self-sustaining colonies that could continue on by themselves if Earth were destroyed to make way for a hyperspace bypass.
 Quoting: Riff-Raff


what if a shuttle docked with a greenhouse in the bay? and the ppl went into sleep mode for 2 decades? we aren't allowed to know a lot that TPTB already developed.
JAZZZ50

2020 The SHTF literally as TP ran out.

we went from being over the target, to actually being the target. too close to the truth.


if i had a dollar for everytime someone says "merge" without using the word, i'd b so green i'd b King of Mars.
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nude beaches,no mexicans.<<perk when we leaving? i already packed
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What no Tacos?



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We are 8 months into something that some don’t believe in, and others are just doing their best to have a sense of stability.....

But the clearest point is the anger is slowly giving way to desperation. And I have yet to see an angry, desperate person make good decisions.

Desperate does not mean destitute,,... a desperate person doesn’t have to be broke or homeless. Normally, it is an emotional perception of the issue that they are facing.

While this article is HR related.... it is a good read because if you come across a desperate person the damage they can do (IRL) is insane.

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Here’s the definition of desperate:

1. reckless or dangerous because of despair or urgency
2. having an urgent need, desire, etc.
3. leaving little or no hope; very serious or dangerous
4. extremely bad; intolerable or shocking
5. extreme or excessive
6. making a final, ultimate effort; giving all
7. actuated by a feeling of hopelessness
8. having no hope; giving in to despair

Take any one of those definitions and apply it to the decisionmaking process, and the results are not likely to be good.
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France confirmed 10,561 new coronavirus cases on Saturday - the highest daily number since the pandemic began.

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Well, fuck. I guess I'm gonna have to deal with flooding now.

Good thing I bought that generator!

Went to Kroger and there were NO 12 packs of Coke products besides Sprite Zero. Everything else was fully stocked except cleaning wipes. When did cleaning wipes become a necessity? I'll show my age and state I remember when we would SPRAY the cleaner on the surface and wipe it with a paper towel or cleaning cloth. Oh, Comet and 409 were our go to cleaning agents.
People suck.
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Well, fuck. I guess I'm gonna have to deal with flooding now.

Good thing I bought that generator!

Went to Kroger and there were NO 12 packs of Coke products besides Sprite Zero. Everything else was fully stocked except cleaning wipes. When did cleaning wipes become a necessity? I'll show my age and state I remember when we would SPRAY the cleaner on the surface and wipe it with a paper towel or cleaning cloth. Oh, Comet and 409 were our go to cleaning agents.
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Spic & Span

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Well, fuck. I guess I'm gonna have to deal with flooding now.

Good thing I bought that generator!

Went to Kroger and there were NO 12 packs of Coke products besides Sprite Zero. Everything else was fully stocked except cleaning wipes. When did cleaning wipes become a necessity? I'll show my age and state I remember when we would SPRAY the cleaner on the surface and wipe it with a paper towel or cleaning cloth. Oh, Comet and 409 were our go to cleaning agents.
 Quoting: Tarnished Halo


Yep. And excellent on the generator.

Sprays....

....nobody ever read the directions....

Surfaces are supposed to be cleaned (if cruday), then spray reapplied and left to dry. It’s why fomite transmission is still a concern this winter.... it’s will be too cold to spray all outside doors and railings.

Wipes were easier to most folks. But they still didn’t read the directions.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79330653


Well, fuck. I guess I'm gonna have to deal with flooding now.

Good thing I bought that generator!

Went to Kroger and there were NO 12 packs of Coke products besides Sprite Zero. Everything else was fully stocked except cleaning wipes. When did cleaning wipes become a necessity? I'll show my age and state I remember when we would SPRAY the cleaner on the surface and wipe it with a paper towel or cleaning cloth. Oh, Comet and 409 were our go to cleaning agents.
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Spic & Span

Mr. Clean

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I scored some comet :) talk about childhood flashbacks.
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Lupus Like Covid19 case study

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Take a peep over at the Worldometers Spain page. The have updated their curve based on the data dumps which have finally been applied to the proper day, it might be a bit too soon to tell but it looks like the 7 day average peak for their second wave will have been August 30th.

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"Too soon"? Yet a few days ago you quite emphatically stated that Spain had peaked.



Spain's second wave has peaked

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They've peaked. Hospitalizations have been flat for 3 weeks.

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That's the indicator which showed when all the US states would begin their downward trend.
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Wordsworth, your trolling and lying act is going to be even more transparent if you're not going to keep the lies consistent.



Meanwhile, current hospitalizations reported by Spanish Health authority, which were never 'flat for 3 weeks', reached a second wave high yesterday.


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this is an advanced society? by what standards?

we kill each other and spend more $$ to do that than on researching a killer virus. we worked for over 100 years to torture our elderly just so we can think we made them live longer. we KNOW better but still pollute the environment. with all the modern machines, ppl still starve every day on this planet. the rich have bunkers that look like cities,yet the poor are lucky if they have a cardboard box and can or food. we elect leaders that nobody trusts.

even ants do better than man.

over 100 years ago we outlawed slavery only to become slaves to the govern. this is an advanced society? to work for someone else to get rich? to work just to have a beer on fri night and watch ppl run around with a ball on sunday?

u must b joking.
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If every nuclear power took their annual budgets for creation, testing, and maintenance of nuclear weapons and spent that money collectively on space exploration as well as deep ocean exploration, we could expand our living space (and agriculture space) to the ocean floor, to other planets, and eventually to other star systems. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to build nano probes that could reach .2c and travel to the nearest star system in roughly 20 - 25 years.

We have the technology RIGHT NOW to colonize both the moon and Mars. We have the technology RIGHT NOW to attach a probes to comets and asteroids and let them explore space with minimal fuel consumption. We have terraforming technology and mining technology that could be put to use on planets in our own solar system.

But it will never happen with our current competing religious and economic ideologies.
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Imagine if the Vikings circa 1000 AD had gone down the Atlantic coast to the Gulf of Mexico and then across to Mexico.

If the Euros had any idea of the riches of the Aztecs, Mayas, and Incas, they would have invaded hundreds of years earlier. The Viking settlements in the New World failed because they did not have profitable exports and the voyage was too hazardous to make it worthwhile. They lacked technology of navigation and ship building.

We already KNOW how much mineral wealth there is in the inner Solar System. Luna and the near Earth asteroids alone have enough resources to support a huge economy and billions of people in space.

I spent most of my career in the Advanced Engineering dept. of a major aerospace company, so I spent a lot of time on these subjects.

What is stopping us from exploiting space? Capital!

I was a Space Shuttle engineer. That system, while fairly safe and reliable, had two catastrophic accidents out of four flying Orbiters. The budget limitations (we only spent $25B in 1972 dollars) created risks despite our best efforts.

To design, test, and field a truly safe, reliable, and cheap Earth-to-low orbit system will take hundreds of billions of dollars.

Add in the cost of a new, partially reusable heavy lifter for mining and smelting equipment as well as nuclear reactors, etc. Add in the cost of a logistics space station in Earth orbit. Add in the cost of a large Lunar base, mining/refining/smelting/forming/fabricating and all of the support functions of an industrial base.

Add in the cost of exploring and retrieving near Earth asteroids for mining in orbit.

The total required is in the trillions.

However, the payoff is exponential, a space economy bigger than all of Earth's.

The problem is getting from here to there. We are not only weighed down by military expenditures but also by a huge parasitic class that produces nothing but trouble.

It would take a coalition of nations or corporations or billionaires to finance such an endeavor. They would have to be patient because the payoff would take decades.

On the optimistic side: Humans WILL eventually exploit space resources and do what I outlined. Whether you have to learn Mandarin to go is up for debate.

Sorry for the excursion from the pandemic news, but sometimes we need to consider the big picture.

We (or at least our progeny) will survive the pandemic and go on to great things.

Let's all be on our best behavior as we face the challenges.
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Well..... the pathetic government education ....just wow.

Ultimate overreach achieved. Yes the kid pointed the gun at the screen.... but the police....for a fake gun. At home.

How about we start with a call to the parents?

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