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A virus doesn't just say "Oh, hey, it's time to stop infecting people now because we're hitting the time-limit."

The waves come when people stop taking precautions and go when people start again.

Models are always estimates based on data they cannot have because they are predictions but cannot tell the future as to when someone is going to decide "okay, the ICU is full so I need to hunker down," which is why the model changes as the data changes.

They're predictions based on unmitigated spread. That's why they're wrong.
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Texas and Florida took pretty much zero precautions to end their summer outbreak, yet it did end... at least until the schools opened.

Precautions in New England haven't changed since the summer, yet we had a second wave.

The virus has a bunch of new fuel to burn through now, and burn in will... but it will run out.
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Some people don't need to be told to stay home. I'm not sure why people even go to a restaurant just because it's open during a pandemic.
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This seems shady as hell, from a story on Oct. 22.

Biden coronavirus task force member @ZekeEmanuel worked with
@EricTopol to pressure Pfizer not to apply for approval of its vaccine on an expedited timeline before the election




I wonder how many people Biden killed to get elected.
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I wonder how biased this Twitter account is?
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The article mentioned in the tweets is from VANITY FAIR, which is super left.
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FL is about to do a "I told you so"

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FYI: This lady has access to real intel, not the uncle kind.


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Not a single government model or estimate of what this virus will do has come to pass.

The first hit countries in Europe are already past their peak and getting almost back to managable numbers.

New York numbers in for today 1,000 less cases than last Tuesday.

We know what waves look like now, and we know how long generally there is between them.

They're basing models on facts not in evidence... disregarding the ABSOLUTE OBSERVED FACT that these waves are self-limiting in nature as long as basic precautions are taken.

Instead they take a ruler and draw a line up to infinity based on the beginning of the curve and call it science.

Getting close to a year into this now, we have seen hundreds of outbreaks across the globe... they last about 1.5 to 2 months.

What's gonna happen after this wave? Nobody knows, hasn't happened yet. But I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be 4k deaths per day.
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Honestly we would be well beyond 4k deaths per day without these useless restrictions--and probably truly on the real down slope of this pandemic. These ripples are not truly the result of the virus, but rather the constant back and forth (cause and effect) of people's behaviors-- by choice or by government restriction. It is my belief there is a finite number of people with comorbidities that will get this and die.. whether it spreads slowly or fast.. its going to happen. The larger question.. the globe trying to play God to limit a virus that is eventually going to effect everyone-- is it worth destroying the world's economy and building up hundreds of trillions in debt trying to save lives that in reality arent going to be saved? Yes I know there are vaccines, but I do not see these having any sizeable impacts for another 6 months, and thats assuming forced vaccination. Its safe to say the same 50% that are ok with the vaccine are already wearing masks, and doing preventative measures. I say lets take a playbook out of 1918. Even after the first strain wave, they chose to have in person elections, celebrations for end of WWI, Thanksgiving and parades, and the middle finger to the few local governments trying to make them close down-- all while nearly 700k died in this country-- that targeted 20-40year old during strain 2 wave in Dec/Jan. The fact governments are talking about this through next summer is beyond the natural progression. Again just my opinion. Just remember in February I was the alarmist! LOL!
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trump told us in the beginning

worst case scenario of daily COVID RELATED DEATHS has always been predicted/projected to be 1.5-2 million deaths within one physical year.

this is the 4-5 thousand deaths per day you guys are speaking of or using RIGHT NOW..

According to the United Nations World Population Prospects report, approximately 7,452 people die every day in the United States.

How many of those deaths IN THE PAST are related to respiratory preconditions, obesity, heart, FLU, inflammation conditions?

the future numbers could easily be manipulated to appear 3-5k deaths per day due to covid RELATED .

Find the number of deaths from the last five years, of people with pre existing conditions that would not survive Covid. for worst case scenrio, this is where they getting their numbers from. Precondition/FLU deaths in years past.

In the upcoming years, How many more deaths will we see in the United Nations Report for daily deaths in AMERICA?

I see maybe hovering below 10k daily deaths TOTAL in 2021 but only at certain peaks during flu/covid season, and then back to the original 7500K daily deaths. .

Coivd is targeting a certain group, and there is only a certain number in that group that can die in one day. Covid is spread-out similar to the flu, not in every household at this moment in time. and will never be.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79675023


Not a single government model or estimate of what this virus will do has come to pass.

The first hit countries in Europe are already past their peak and getting almost back to managable numbers.

New York numbers in for today 1,000 less cases than last Tuesday.

We know what waves look like now, and we know how long generally there is between them.

They're basing models on facts not in evidence... disregarding the ABSOLUTE OBSERVED FACT that these waves are self-limiting in nature as long as basic precautions are taken.

Instead they take a ruler and draw a line up to infinity based on the beginning of the curve and call it science.

Getting close to a year into this now, we have seen hundreds of outbreaks across the globe... they last about 1.5 to 2 months.

What's gonna happen after this wave? Nobody knows, hasn't happened yet. But I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be 4k deaths per day.
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Honestly we would be well beyond 4k deaths per day without these useless restrictions--and probably truly on the real down slope of this pandemic. These ripples are not truly the result of the virus, but rather the constant back and forth (cause and effect) of people's behaviors-- by choice or by government restriction. It is my belief there is a finite number of people with comorbidities that will get this and die.. whether it spreads slowly or fast.. its going to happen. The larger question.. the globe trying to play God to limit a virus that is eventually going to effect everyone-- is it worth destroying the world's economy and building up hundreds of trillions in debt trying to save lives that in reality arent going to be saved? Yes I know there are vaccines, but I do not see these having any sizeable impacts for another 6 months, and thats assuming forced vaccination. Its safe to say the same 50% that are ok with the vaccine are already wearing masks, and doing preventative measures. I say lets take a playbook out of 1918. Even after the first strain wave, they chose to have in person elections, celebrations for end of WWI, Thanksgiving and parades, and the middle finger to the few local governments trying to make them close down-- all while nearly 700k died in this country-- that targeted 20-40year old during strain 2 wave in Dec/Jan. The fact governments are talking about this through next summer is beyond the natural progression. Again just my opinion. Just remember in February I was the alarmist! LOL!
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You make some good points. I see the logic. I think that it's easy to accept the terms of letting it rip if the people who will perish or likely get very ill is no one directly related to us.

In the last few months I've had a few relatives who caught the virus. None of which has had the bad reaction. Zero mortality. So far.

That's when you wonder if the virus is really that bad. It's hard to decide whether we have also over reacted or gave in to fear. I'm in the middle just like I was in June. But I understand that our experiences with covid are all different.
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This seems shady as hell, from a story on Oct. 22.

Biden coronavirus task force member @ZekeEmanuel worked with
@EricTopol to pressure Pfizer not to apply for approval of its vaccine on an expedited timeline before the election




I wonder how many people Biden killed to get elected.
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I wonder how biased this Twitter account is?
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The article mentioned in the tweets is from VANITY FAIR, which is super left.
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You are correct. I missed that part. I retract my statement.
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so the real question will be In America how many total deaths will we have in 2020.

what numbers are they giving us right now?

how many TOTAL deaths so far in US for 2020?

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In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more
deaths than in 2017. ROUGHLY 7500k per day.
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FL is about to do a "I told you so"


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What the fuck is this trash?

DeSantis was the POS trying to act like there wasnt a disease or threat in the first place and lying his sorry ass off.

Why i left the Republican shitbag party. Neither am i democrat. Both are ran by fucking psychos.

Fuck DeSantis and Florida has been a fucking shitshow since this started. Their excess deaths are off the wall too.

You fucking POS posting this garbage should be ashamed.
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Texas: +13,998

new record for daily cases
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so the real question will be In America how many total deaths will we have in 2020.

what numbers are they giving us right now?

how many TOTAL deaths so far in US for 2020?

[link to www.bing.com (secure)]

In 2018, a total of 2,839,205 resident deaths were registered in the United States—25,702 more
deaths than in 2017. ROUGHLY 7500k per day.
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261.387 total deaths today in America, their stats.

let us assume we reach 365,000k deaths related to covid.

that is only an extra 1000k deaths per day, up from years past average of 7500k.

as of right now, we are not discussing future medical complications related to covid after people contract the virus.

we are only discussing daily deaths that actually occur.

geez something smells really fishy now, if you understand the numbers above.
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So does this mean they haven't determined how to administer it yet?



The Covid-19 vaccines closest to the finish line are designed to be injected into the arm. Researchers are looking at whether they can get better protection from inoculations that fight the virus at its point of attack — the nose and mouth.

Most vaccines in human testing require two shots for effectiveness, and developers still aren’t even sure if they’ll prevent infections. Scientists are hoping to generate superior immune responses with inhaled vaccines that directly target the airway cells the virus invades.

 Quoting: dyin

I finally got an appointment with my long time doctor of 30 years for my annual physical exam.

After the exam, the subject turned to the virus, which we discussed for 8 or 10 minutes.

He told me that his daily regimen included a mist of 3% povidone-iodine solution in each nostril upon awakening, and at 2 hour intervals throughout the working day, and at bedtime. It also included a 5x per day of the old school Listerine(yellow).

I also asked him, that if he contracted the virus, what he as a doctor would request as treatment. He said his choice would be a Z-pack regimen x 2, supplemented by Ivermectin.

He also volunteered that, to date, he had treated 77 Covid patients, and that just last Monday, had lost his first patient, who was 74 years old, and had an average blood sugar of over 380.

No agenda, just a first person account of my doctor visit.
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Well done, LO, this is the type of information that adds value. Thanks for taking the time.
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Not a single government model or estimate of what this virus will do has come to pass.

The first hit countries in Europe are already past their peak and getting almost back to managable numbers.

New York numbers in for today 1,000 less cases than last Tuesday.

We know what waves look like now, and we know how long generally there is between them.

They're basing models on facts not in evidence... disregarding the ABSOLUTE OBSERVED FACT that these waves are self-limiting in nature as long as basic precautions are taken.

Instead they take a ruler and draw a line up to infinity based on the beginning of the curve and call it science.

Getting close to a year into this now, we have seen hundreds of outbreaks across the globe... they last about 1.5 to 2 months.

What's gonna happen after this wave? Nobody knows, hasn't happened yet. But I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be 4k deaths per day.
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The models are based on little to zero mitigation.
And that’s what they are pushing for zero mitigation.
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In Canada, the federal government keeps yapping about 60,000 cases per day by mid-December, but the current trends don’t show this to be very likely. While there have been more deaths, the curve you could plot from these deaths doesn’t match the case curve. And we are by no means seeing the tsunami of deaths that have been predicted.
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one death is to many,

but we are on track in the US to reach LESS THEN 1000K deaths daily "related" to COVID for 2020.

SO average total deaths in America have been 7500k per day in years past.

and we MIGHT eclipse 8500k per day due to COVID for 2020.

so 2021 might average 1500 daily deaths due to covid, or will we see those numbers fall?

something is amiss.
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Stupid bunch of covid freaks fuck you
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:trollormoran:
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It's a hybrid, the moranic troll.

Rarely seen but always subject to open season.

Harvest as you will.
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People who caught and recovered from Covid-19 may be reinfected with a different strain of the pathogen, a new study from South Korea shows.

Researchers found that a young woman infected with one strain of the coronavirus was, just weeks after recovering, reinfected with a different strain of the virus.
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There's a young woman who needs to change her habits...
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You make the mistake of oversimplifying all the time and assuming that every outbreak is destined to play out in exactly the same way all the time when that's not the case.

There's been countries where there's been just one continuous wave - i.e. Mexico. Or a continuous wave with fluctuations between dips and peaks - i.e. Brazil.

Some European countries have seen a reduction in infections, but that coincided with lockdowns and people taking more care. Otherwise the infections would be even higher now as evidence suggests. There's other European countries where the infections are still rising however, and there's no sign yet when it will improve for them.

People in the US have made it clear they prefer not to adhere to health measures, the TX governor even went as far as saying he will not implement another lockdown. US cases are still surging and now with Thanksgiving and the winter holidays it's fairly likely it's just going to get worse unless enough people are taking the action to protect themselves and others.
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We don't know what the peaks and troughs look like in Mexico or Brazil (or Iran) because they don't test for shit. Also, these are second to third world countries who's outcomes aren't that relevant to what's going to happen in the US and Europe.

And as far as the highlighted section above, that's complete bullshit. Didn't Dutchy say nobody in his area was wearing masks? Everybody in New England has been wearing masks in public since June.

Furthermore, like I said we do have control groups here. We have Sweden to tell us that cases will not skrocket to infinity, and also several US southern states that took minimal mitigation measures.

The tail is wagging the dog... governments put out restrictions when hospitals get to the tipping point, but also hospitals get to a tipping point right around the peak when cases are about to fall off sharply.
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Wisconsin 900 less cases than last Tuesday

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Not a single government model or estimate of what this virus will do has come to pass.

The first hit countries in Europe are already past their peak and getting almost back to managable numbers.

New York numbers in for today 1,000 less cases than last Tuesday.

We know what waves look like now, and we know how long generally there is between them.

They're basing models on facts not in evidence... disregarding the ABSOLUTE OBSERVED FACT that these waves are self-limiting in nature as long as basic precautions are taken.

Instead they take a ruler and draw a line up to infinity based on the beginning of the curve and call it science.

Getting close to a year into this now, we have seen hundreds of outbreaks across the globe... they last about 1.5 to 2 months.

What's gonna happen after this wave? Nobody knows, hasn't happened yet. But I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be 4k deaths per day.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Honestly we would be well beyond 4k deaths per day without these useless restrictions--and probably truly on the real down slope of this pandemic. These ripples are not truly the result of the virus, but rather the constant back and forth (cause and effect) of people's behaviors-- by choice or by government restriction. It is my belief there is a finite number of people with comorbidities that will get this and die.. whether it spreads slowly or fast.. its going to happen. The larger question.. the globe trying to play God to limit a virus that is eventually going to effect everyone-- is it worth destroying the world's economy and building up hundreds of trillions in debt trying to save lives that in reality arent going to be saved? Yes I know there are vaccines, but I do not see these having any sizeable impacts for another 6 months, and thats assuming forced vaccination. Its safe to say the same 50% that are ok with the vaccine are already wearing masks, and doing preventative measures. I say lets take a playbook out of 1918. Even after the first strain wave, they chose to have in person elections, celebrations for end of WWI, Thanksgiving and parades, and the middle finger to the few local governments trying to make them close down-- all while nearly 700k died in this country-- that targeted 20-40year old during strain 2 wave in Dec/Jan. The fact governments are talking about this through next summer is beyond the natural progression. Again just my opinion. Just remember in February I was the alarmist! LOL!
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Common Sense?

How Dare You!

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Wisconsin 900 less cases than last Tuesday


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A virus doesn't just say "Oh, hey, it's time to stop infecting people now because we're hitting the time-limit."

The waves come when people stop taking precautions and go when people start again.

Models are always estimates based on data they cannot have because they are predictions but cannot tell the future as to when someone is going to decide "okay, the ICU is full so I need to hunker down," which is why the model changes as the data changes.

They're predictions based on unmitigated spread. That's why they're wrong.
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Texas and Florida took pretty much zero precautions to end their summer outbreak, yet it did end... at least until the schools opened.

Precautions in New England haven't changed since the summer, yet we had a second wave.

The virus has a bunch of new fuel to burn through now, and burn in will... but it will run out.
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Cities did too shut things down in BOTH of those states.
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A virus doesn't just say "Oh, hey, it's time to stop infecting people now because we're hitting the time-limit."

The waves come when people stop taking precautions and go when people start again.

Models are always estimates based on data they cannot have because they are predictions but cannot tell the future as to when someone is going to decide "okay, the ICU is full so I need to hunker down," which is why the model changes as the data changes.

They're predictions based on unmitigated spread. That's why they're wrong.
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Texas and Florida took pretty much zero precautions to end their summer outbreak, yet it did end... at least until the schools opened.

Precautions in New England haven't changed since the summer, yet we had a second wave.

The virus has a bunch of new fuel to burn through now, and burn in will... but it will run out.
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The virus has a LOT of fuel because a majority of the population doesn't have it yet. A virus is going to keep going until it literally runs out of people to infect.

This happens either by people not going to large gatherings or by areas having 50+% infection rates.
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And also several US southern states that took minimal mitigation measures.

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Governor Kemp of Georgia was the first to Reopen and got slammed for it

The Media...Trump...and even Myself, blasted his ass

Today the RT is Below 1.0 and Georgia has the lowest Unemployment # in the U.S.

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So does this mean they haven't determined how to administer it yet?



The Covid-19 vaccines closest to the finish line are designed to be injected into the arm. Researchers are looking at whether they can get better protection from inoculations that fight the virus at its point of attack — the nose and mouth.

Most vaccines in human testing require two shots for effectiveness, and developers still aren’t even sure if they’ll prevent infections. Scientists are hoping to generate superior immune responses with inhaled vaccines that directly target the airway cells the virus invades.

 Quoting: dyin

I finally got an appointment with my long time doctor of 30 years for my annual physical exam.

After the exam, the subject turned to the virus, which we discussed for 8 or 10 minutes.

He told me that his daily regimen included a mist of 3% povidone-iodine solution in each nostril upon awakening, and at 2 hour intervals throughout the working day, and at bedtime. It also included a 5x per day of the old school Listerine(yellow).

I also asked him, that if he contracted the virus, what he as a doctor would request as treatment. He said his choice would be a Z-pack regimen x 2, supplemented by Ivermectin.

He also volunteered that, to date, he had treated 77 Covid patients, and that just last Monday, had lost his first patient, who was 74 years old, and had an average blood sugar of over 380.

No agenda, just a first person account of my doctor visit.
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Well done, LO, this is the type of information that adds value. Thanks for taking the time.
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The virus has a bunch of new fuel to burn through now, and burn in will... but it will run out.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


The virus has a LOT of fuel because a majority of the population doesn't have it yet. A virus is going to keep going until it literally runs out of people to infect.

This happens either by people not going to large gatherings or by areas having 50+% infection rates.
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The majority of the population doesn't do things that put them at high risk of catching the virus.

Also, it's been shown many times that growth of a wave stops at 20-30% saturation.

We opened the schools, and created close contacts between everyone in town. Gonna take a while for that fuel to burn out, but it will.
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Dang man, this thread is still going?

Dumbest collection of stupid people ever.
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Dang man, this thread is still going?

Dumbest collection of stupid people ever.
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I don't know man, have you looked on the main page? They still think Trump's gonna win.

You gotta give us some credit there.

If you don't at least admit we're the second dumbest collection of stupid people you will loose all credibility as a troll.

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