Listening now. Kev saying “ ...Better to go for the simpler explanation, especially in such a complex scenario - and there is a discussion to be had that goes beyond natural spillover and into the duel-use aspect, and what that really means.

Dan is saying that it’s the consequence of vaccine research. Well, maybe, but I would stretch the narrative somewhat at this point and say we have to think of it in terms of, if it is duel-use, to me, the vaccine they are making may as well just be the weapon itself. This is why I’m concerned that there are so many crafted elements to SARS-CoV-2 that would fit a weapons program....”