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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Become involved in the creation of a new monetary system. Money and credit exist as special extensions of language where by means of various tokens, symbols, and contracts people are enabled the rationalization of the distribution and ownership of the various commodities and products that all of the people create. Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 88) You could begin in the middle of that thread and read both ways. Front to back or back to front. There is plenty in there to stimulate thought. Here: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 44) CENTRALIZED MONEY AND CENTRALIZED POWER FORM A SYMBIOTIC PAIR; NEITHER CAN EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER To "fight government" you need your own army and in the process will become just like them. To create a new monetary system you simply need a better model. No army has ever been put in the field that can stop a better idea. |
Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Eric Harris Braun: [link to eric.harris-braun.com] “When I was growing up in Ecuador, I remember being in the marketplace where I saw a man sitting at a table with a pen and paper. He was listening to a customer and was writing away like mad. I remember not understanding what that man was selling. Was he composing a poem on the spot? I couldn't imagine the visibly poor customer wanting a poem. So I asked my parents who told me that he was selling the writing itself; that the customer was illiterate and needed to send a letter and so would pay the man to write the letter. I remember being amazed by this at the time, but then forgot about it pretty quickly. This story comes back to me now that I've come to understand that almost all of us in the world are doing exactly the same thing as those illiterate customers I saw in my youth. We are illiterate and don't even know it. We don't recognize that there is a form of "writing" we hire others to do for us but could learn ourselves. This form of writing is the writing of wealth acknowledgments, and what we call it is money.” |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench I learned about the writings of Silvio Gesell about 1985 and recognized the truth in what he wrote and began to have serious doubts about all of the models – Austrian Economics included. After I got on the net about 1998 and learned about LETS systems, mutual credit models, Ithaca Hours, the Mondragon Cooperative, Binary economics, and other various and sundry models – then I began to rethink everything I believed. Take command of your monetary communications; and learn about the user owned Mondragon cooperative bank. |
Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Gain an ownership position in the monetary system: Search GLP for Mondragon: [link to duckduckgo.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3912774 United States 01/19/2020 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench I have been studying the money system with all of the vagaries and varieties going well into forty years already. For almost twenty I figured like many others that a system of metallic coinage whether silver or gold was the correct answer. Quoting: Levi Philos 590644 I learned about the writings of Silvio Gesell about 1985 and recognized the truth in what he wrote and began to have serious doubts about all of the models – Austrian Economics included. After I got on the net about 1998 and learned about LETS systems, mutual credit models, Ithaca Hours, the Mondragon Cooperative, Binary economics, and other various and sundry models – then I began to rethink everything I believed. Take command of your monetary communications; and learn about the user owned Mondragon cooperative bank. Yes a better way. Can you imagine? A world where corporations are not in power rather a co op for the people. Everyone shares the wealth rather than the baboons at the top. |
Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench You still need professional full time paid administration in a new monetary system. People are sometimes dishonest; even a small percentage of crooks can seriously disrupt the best of intentions. In the current system positive interest pays for administration. However, there is another method for paying for administration; the principle is called demurrage; everybody pays a little, and the broke individual pays nothing. Search GLP for the word demurrage: [link to duckduckgo.com (secure)] |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Thomas Greco has written and spoken to venues all over the planet on how to create decentralized mutual credit systems. There are Power Point Presentations, recorded videos, websites, and blogs. Thomas Greco is rather low key and soft spoken – not at all a fire-brand, but listen closely and learn. Search GLP for Thomas Greco: [link to duckduckgo.com] Search the world for Thomas Greco: [link to duckduckgo.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3912774 United States 01/19/2020 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench The problem is this Levi: the solution you describe can save the world but it puts those in power out. Do you think they will stand by and watch their stranglehold on power dissolve into the hands of the people? |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Suppose that every time you had an encounter with a bureaucrat at any level you would be able to vote on the result. Positive encounter or negative encounter, and post the result to a blockchain record. Every two weeks at payday, the blockchain record is automatically examined and the record controls the bureaucrats paycheck. Good record; the pay is increased by a small percentage. Poor record; the pay is decrease by a small percentage. You want to get public servants to actually serve? Grab hold of the paymaster position. Please feel free to add to or subtract from this concept and make it yours. It is at this point merely a daydream. |
Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/19/2020 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench The problem is this Levi: the solution you describe can save the world but it puts those in power out. Do you think they will stand by and watch their stranglehold on power dissolve into the hands of the people? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3912774 Larken Rose already pointed out the answer; his answer is titled THE TINY DOT [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (only 7 minutes) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3912774 United States 01/19/2020 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Nice video but it offers no real solution. The solution is the co op. The enforcers are we the people (as the video eludes to). however unless we the people are willing to break the laws that you know the baboons at the top will create to snuff out the co op then it will be business as usual meaning no real change. The only thing they understand is violence and blood. Hitler realized that. Not saying his way was right either. |
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Levi Philos User ID: 590644 United States 01/20/2020 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If you hate the Beast System/Grid you have to be on it to at least slow it down... Be a Monkey Wrench Zero hedge has an article about the liquidity trap: [link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)] I have been writing from time to time on related economic phenomenons called “zero point” and “liquidity trap.” These things recur because of a faulty design. This model for money relies upon interest bearing hypothecated debt for the creation of new money. This causes the total debt to grow in an exponential manner until the underlying physical economy can no longer support the interest, much less pay down any principle. This mathematical error is exacerbated by failure to recognize that all of the people are the true creditors. This error whether intentional or accidental is a direct result of implementation of the fifth plank of the communist manifesto under presidents Hoover and Roosevelt in the time period from 1913 to 1933. The fifth plank makes the claim that the credit of a nation is the property of the government. The government collectivized the common credit and assigned it to the banks who then loan your property back to you with interest that they get to keep. The bankers are profiting from dealing in stolen property. The periodic breakdowns of this system are direct results of a faulty system design. |