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The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO

 
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The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Very good article.

1/4 of it here.
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What seems to have been a case of bad judgements and human error does, however, include some elements that have yet to be explained. The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming” and the planes transponder switched off and stopped transmitting several minutes before the missiles were launched. There were also problems with the communication network of the air defense command, which may have been related.

The electronic jamming coming from an unknown source meant that the air defense system was placed on manual operation, relying on human intervention to launch. The human role meant that an operator had to make a quick judgment in a pressure situation in which he had only moments to react. The shutdown of the transponder, which would have automatically signaled to the operator and Tor electronics that the plane was civilian, instead automatically indicated that it was hostile. The operator, having been particularly briefed on the possibility of incoming American cruise missiles, then fired.

The two missiles that brought the plane down came from a Russian-made system designated SA-15 by NATO and called Tor by the Russians. Its eight missiles are normally mounted on a tracked vehicle. The system includes both radar to detect and track targets as well as an independent launch system, which includes an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system functionality capable of reading call signs and transponder signals to prevent accidents. Given what happened on that morning in Tehran, it is plausible to assume that something or someone deliberately interfered with both the Iranian air defenses and with the transponder on the airplane, possibly as part of an attempt to create an aviation accident that would be attributed to the Iranian government.

The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or "spoofed," permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control. The United States Navy and Air Force reportedly have developed technologies “that can fool enemy radar systems with false and deceptively moving targets." Fooling the system also means fooling the operator. The Guardian has also reported independently how the United States military has long been developing systems that can from a distance alter the electronics and targeting of Iran’s available missiles.

The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability. Joe Quinn at Sott.net also notes an interested back story to those photos and video footage that have appeared in the New York Times and elsewhere showing the Iranian missile launch, the impact with the plane and the remains after the crash, to include the missile remains. They appeared on January 9th, in an Instagram account called 'Rich Kids of Tehran'. Quinn asks how the Rich Kids happened to be in “a low-income housing estate on the city's outskirts [near the airport] at 6 a.m. on the morning of January 8th with cameras pointed at the right part of the sky in time to capture a missile hitting a Ukrainian passenger plane…?”

Put together the Rich Kids and the possibility of electronic warfare and it all suggests a premeditated and carefully planned event of which the Soleimani assassination was only a part. There have been riots in Iran subsequent to the shooting down of the plane, blaming the government for its ineptitude. Some of the people in the street are clearly calling for the goal long sought by the United States and Israel, i.e. “regime change.” If nothing else, Iran, which was widely seen as the victim in the killing of Soleimani, is being depicted in much of the international media as little more than another unprincipled actor with blood on its hands. There is much still to explain about the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752.
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Turn off the transponder (remotely as in 9/11) would automatically make a passenger Jet a hostile target would it not?

It also means Iran will get new hardware like Iraq is asking Russia for.

If they fired and missed the 'target' that would be 'inept'.

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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
He's dead cuz we felt like killing him.

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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Turn off the transponder (remotely as in 9/11) would automatically make a passenger Jet a hostile target would it not?

It also means Iran will get new hardware like Iraq is asking Russia for.

If they fired and missed the 'target' that would be 'inept'.
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
He's dead cuz we felt like killing him.

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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
He's dead cuz we felt like killing him.

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And then one day soon they'll 'feel like' killing off some of ours.

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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
He's dead cuz we felt like killing him.


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And then one day soon they'll 'feel like' killing off some of ours.

ohyeah
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That is correct. Israel has tried and succeeded many time before!
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Very good article.

1/4 of it here.
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There is much still to explain about the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752.
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You think it is a good article because it promotes propaganda.
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
What “imminent” threat did osama bin laden pose to us?

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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
The guy was a total piece of shit. The world is a better place without him in it. Everything else is totally irrelevant.
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
*scours internet for anything against commom sense*

*finds it*

*declares it 'very good'*
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
whatever

He ded.

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Murder comes naturally to you people, doesn't it.
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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Obama admin considered him a terrosist!


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Re: The claim that Soleimani was a “terrorist” who'd carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill Americans was a LIE - GO
Intelligence showed he was setting up future embassy attacks and they had evidence of all his previous attacks on our embassy and our soldiers.

Trump delivered justice. Poetic justice. Period.





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