Pre-Tribulation Rapture Proof

Harpazo, forceful removal, snatched away.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." Jesus Christ

"Behold, I have foretold you all things." Jesus Christ

Look at the 1 star bandits coming out of the woodwork right away!

Why does the whole concept of a Rapture bother people so much? It is very strange. You can have New Agers and other faiths talking in detail about "ascending to some 5th dimension of unconditional love while those of lesser densities are left behind in lower realms" or something and they don't react with the same hatred and aggression as a Biblilcal pre-tribulation rapture. It is the same with Mid-Trib or Post-Trib people. They get really angry and hostile towards Pre-Tribbers and almost seem like they desire for everyone to suffer and nobody to escape God's wrath.

The pre-tribulation rapture strikes some weird specific nerve with non-believers and believers who have some weird angry streak to them towards other believers. It is interesting that this should be the case.

Hope for pre-trib, but prepare to be wrong including standing firm and not falling away.

The worst that can happen is you leave behind sustenance for people to survive without the mark and hopefully enter the millennium as mortals.

SMART, godly people have been debating this for years so I am not going to ever be so guilty of pride to insist I am smarter than other godly people looking for truth. I put my faith and hope in both camps and trust God to take care of the details while I keep looking for more assurance of the likelihood.

I have to say with as messed up as this world is getting by the day I hope pre trib is right but my inkling is that it's not.

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If you join "proof" and "bible" in the same sentence, you already are wrong.

Thessalonicenses 4:17 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erim

Revelation 11:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

It seems like many Christians who are against a pre-trib Rapture always go "you aren't going to escape persecution that easily. We still have to wait for believers to be really persecuted" and so forth, but this is already happening around the world. It seems like people assume unless something is happening in the United States or in the developed West, it doesn't count or something. Christians are already being persecuted in places like China, the Middle East and Africa. Christians are already being beheaded and killed for their faith in Muslim countries. It doesn't all revolve around America or the West. It's like people in a private gated community trying to say that nothing is that bad yet because they don't see chaos and anarchy while everyone outside of the private gated community is watching shootings, lootings, pillaging and violence all around them.

Just because we live in a bubble of safety does not mean that prophecy all revolves around us. If the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, who is to say that we in the U.S. or other places don't just get lesser roles in heaven compared to the blessings of our third world brothers and sisters who are truly being martyred in these times for the faith???

It seems like many Christians who are against a pre-trib Rapture always go "you aren't going to escape persecution that easily. We still have to wait for believers to be really persecuted" and so forth, but this is already happening around the world. It seems like people assume unless something is happening in the United States or in the developed West, it doesn't count or something. Christians are already being persecuted in places like China, the Middle East and Africa. Christians are already being beheaded and killed for their faith in Muslim countries. It doesn't all revolve around America or the West. It's like people in a private gated community trying to say that nothing is that bad yet because they don't see chaos and anarchy while everyone outside of the private gated community is watching shootings, lootings, pillaging and violence all around them.

Just because we live in a bubble of safety does not mean that prophecy all revolves around us. If the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation, who is to say that we in the U.S. or other places don't just get lesser roles in heaven compared to the blessings of our third world brothers and sisters who are truly being martyred in these times for the faith???

If you are a Christian being tortured to death in a Muslim or Communist country right now, how would you react if someone told you that there cannot be an imminent rapture because things aren't bad enough yet and tribulation times haven't begun? Especially if the person telling you this came from a "Christian" nation in the West where there is freedom to practice the faith and everyone takes it for granted and the faith is dwindling rapidly? Biblical prophecy fulfillment timelines don't have to revolve around those of us who live in countries that haven't caught up to the persecution of our brothers and sisters all around the world. It isn't all about us.

2 Thessalonians was written to correct 1 Thessalonians and its false pre trib rapture belief.

2 Thessalonians lays out exactly what's going to happen, and the pre trib rapture is not in it.

There is a rapture event, but its not pre trib.

I - especially now - (as Believers MUST strive for unity), am unwilling to criticize another that names the name of Christ.

So, I won't.

I'll just lay out a few things to think about:

1. (On many topics discussed in Scripture, but not all,) one, two, or even many verses...are not sufficient to REACH THE CORRECT CONCLUSION. For this reason, God gives us the (Biblical Hermanutic. And Hermanutics is the WAY you come to the truth on a subject.) What is God's hermanutic about the Bible/His Word? It's in the Psalms...Ps. 119:160 "The sum of your word is truth..." This is HOW you come to a CORRECT CONCLUSION on a subject. And, as it turns out, this particular subject too.

(I've spent most of my 30+ years as a Believer studying Biblical Eschatology. The first 12 or so...I was solidly "Pre-Trib"...as I've read nearly every book on the subject, and the vast majority favor that position - as most authors are beholden to a congregation, and taking another position, reduces their status and their number of followers. It was only as the years went by and I continued to press for the truth on that subject, did I ultimately change positions: to now where, there's not a shred of doubt as to WHAT position the Bible teaches; and this is only when you "SUM HIS WORD", and bring in all the Scriptures on this topic, and reach a common denominator that doesn't conflict with any of the Scriptures. What is also fascinating, is that many Scriptures that (the Pre-Trib Teachers hold as "proof"), are actually proving either: Post-Trib, or Pre-Wrath.)

2. Admittedly, I've not listened to the majority of the video...as I've not heard an argument (favoring Pre-Trib), that I'm unable to Biblically counter w/ either Pt.T or PW (that's Pre-God's Wrath; not Satan's Wrath, as God's Wrath begins at the second coming, per the Book of Revelation.)

3. It's also important to understand, the words that our Saviour used about the "Great Tribulation". Remember, per the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21)...the "GT" is not seven years...it's three and a half. This is A CERTAINTY, as this discourse by Jesus is thus..."But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not..." So, go back to Daniel 9...WHEN is the Ab. of Desolation making his move? "in the midst of the week". So, then WHEN does Our Savior say is the GT? "THEN" SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION" So, (when) is the (THEN)? ANSWER? "IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK", just as Daniel says, AKA, 3 1/2 YEARS. (This is also why, over and over in Revelation, when the AC and FP are making their moves against the church...is speaks of "forty two months"; or "times, time, and dividing of time"; or "1,260 days"...these are all (half of the Hebrew word for "week" of years" = 1/2 of seven years; so the "midst" of = equals "half" of the seven years...or 3 1/2 yrs, or forty two months, or 1,260 days.)

4. This is not an (UNIMPORTANT) SUBJECT...RATHER, JUST THE OPPOSITE: SINCE, IF ONE IS CONVINCED OF PRE-TRIB, AND WRONG, THEN THEY WILL (OF CERTAINTY) TAKE/RECEIVE OR OFFER-UP THE MARK, WHEN THE TIME COMES. (WHY YOU ASK? BECAUSE THEY'RE "CERTAIN" THAT "THIS/MARK" IS NOT THE MARK, SINCE "WE'RE NOT TO BE HERE"...EVEN IF A BIOMETRIC ID COMING FROM ONE'S IRIS IS OFFERED UP TO BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY; ONE THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE FP AND AC AND DEMANDS THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO THE SATANIC NWO...HENCE THE DANGER OF NOT GETTING THIS RIGHT.)

Praise God

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For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

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HERE HE COMES!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

What makes you think that denies the Rapture?

According to you.

In your opinion.

I disagree.

The Standard for Truth IS NOT whether or not you understand or agree!

We can disagree and still be brothers/sisters in Christ.

The problem is when folks take this subject to the point of ego.

I've been escorted out of churches because I didn't believe the pre trib rapture fantasy.

They truly believe you aren't a Christian unless you believe it.

Its a cult within the church.

You declare it not to be true.

It is not up to you.

I disagree.

Believe whatever makes you feel good, I guess.

I don't believe that.

Tell your story.

My feelings are entirely irrelevant.

You are totally egotistically arrogantly self-righteous dismissive in your finger-pointing.


Always me, not you...

Believe what you want, Its true.

I disrupted the class when I told them they were believing a lie and was escorted out by police.

I told the pastor he was teaching a lie and he motioned to the police to remove me after saying "Don't call me".

True story.

You're the only one calling names like a child.

Pffft.

It's not that it bothers people, it's that it is not in the scriptures as some believe, and most people see this, so they resist false teaching. It is something that has never been taught in all the years of the church until the 1800's, that should tell you something right there.

"Watch and pray always that you may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that are coming upon the earth and to stand before the Son of Man." JESUS CHRIST Luke 21:36

"It will be as in the days of Lot[who was taken out BEFORE the destruction]; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built [so, in other words, A NORMAL DAY. After events from Book of Revelation, no more normal]; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone and destroyed them all." JESUS CHRIST Luke 17:28


There are verses for and against so I think what it really comes down to is this...according to your faith, be it unto you. He has revealed to me that we will be taken, trained and returned here to gather the harvest in glorified bodies that cannot be harmed. That counts as a rapture to me. God Bless! Peace.

"In this world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." JESUS CHRIST John 16:33

It very much bothers people.

People that do not understand or believe the Rapture despise the Rapture and insult Rapture-believers routinely.