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COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345

 
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How long before martial law declared in America atnrhis rate?
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Nationwide martial law isn't practical. Not enough "martials". It may be tried in bigger cities if things go full retard.

If it gets to that point, I think they will try martial law in the big cities, and let the smaller ones fend for themselves. A lot of real small towns will probably enforce their own type of "cordon sanitaire"
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if its a weapon, hand washing will do nothing. they would have thought around that. fibre masks, same, if its a weapon.
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True. But there will never be enough masks. And 95% of the population doesn't have them.
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viruses are so small, they pass right through every single mask you see a person on the tv wearing. its a total placebo. if you can breath air through it, you sucked the virus in. the only option is sealed and supplied air or endless canisters, which are dangerous as hell after they are spent and changing them in a hot zone, is death.

i think the real problem is mutation. the base virus is so spread and has many options to thrive or die off in. it may eventually become specific.
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Nah viruses travel airborne in water droplets so if the droplet can’t get through nor will the virus
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Yesterday CBS in Detroit published a story saying the three suspected cases in Michigan were "deaths".

They have subsequently changed their headline. It was in error. It now reads:


...


I'm in Michigan and am keeping an eye on the news. The internet archive site doesn't have that page archived so I can't link proof to the fact that their headline said "Deaths" yesterday. I should have screenshot it.
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They got better.
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As in?? Rose from the grave better?

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As in:


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Isaiah 40:31 - But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

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President Xi

One hour ago

Idol1
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What's irritating is that China has been the source of, and incubating, deadly microbes since apparently the era of the Great Plague centuries ago. More recently, the Spanish flu in the early 1900s. Yet apathy to basic hygiene and avoiding risky behaviors like eating sleazy things has never caught on with a lot of that nation's culture and population.

WTF is wrong with so many humans?

The dumb Chinese who don't know where to draw the line are variations of all the dumb Americans who don't know where to draw the line when it comes to the Clintons/Obamas/Bidens/Schiffs of the US.

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Communist NPC's with not a grain of individuality and true spirit.
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if its a weapon, hand washing will do nothing. they would have thought around that. fibre masks, same, if its a weapon.
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True. But there will never be enough masks. And 95% of the population doesn't have them.
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viruses are so small, they pass right through every single mask you see a person on the tv wearing. its a total placebo. if you can breath air through it, you sucked the virus in. the only option is sealed and supplied air or endless canisters, which are dangerous as hell after they are spent and changing them in a hot zone, is death.

i think the real problem is mutation. the base virus is so spread and has many options to thrive or die off in. it may eventually become specific.
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Nah viruses travel airborne in water droplets so if the droplet can’t get through nor will the virus
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Viruses can also enter the body via eyes, ears, and any other orifice or wound. Masks are a pacifier for the masses. Further, protection from infection doesn’t matter if you starve, freeze, or worse if supply chains go down.
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True. But there will never be enough masks. And 95% of the population doesn't have them.
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viruses are so small, they pass right through every single mask you see a person on the tv wearing. its a total placebo. if you can breath air through it, you sucked the virus in. the only option is sealed and supplied air or endless canisters, which are dangerous as hell after they are spent and changing them in a hot zone, is death.

i think the real problem is mutation. the base virus is so spread and has many options to thrive or die off in. it may eventually become specific.
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Nah viruses travel airborne in water droplets so if the droplet can’t get through nor will the virus
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Viruses can also enter the body via eyes, ears, and any other orifice or wound. Masks are a pacifier for the masses. Further, protection from infection doesn’t matter if you starve, freeze, or worse if supply chains go down.
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THOSE are things one can mitigate. You have time.
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I have some brown bottles of Lysol ordered.

When at University, I worked in a very high end restaurant as a VIP room server. We maintained a small bucket of water with 1/4 cup of the brown lysol dissolved in the water. After any interaction with customers, touching serve ware, touching trays, notepads, etc, we dipped our hands & dried them with a clean paper towel. The liquid immersion hit every nook and cranny up to our elbows. Yes, we also had lotion to keep from getting dried out hands, and to lessen the lysol smell.

Reason -- such a restaurant could take no chances on customers getting sick, nor could they afford sick staff (the caliber of staff required for such a restaurant is difficult to find & recruit). While I worked there, no customers ever complained of illness, and none of the staff ever became sick.

When I get the Lysol in, I will be implementing the hand sanitizing protocol with my family.
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Excellent tip! Thanks!
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h/t Treyfish at FT

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Health officials announce ‘presumptive’ case of coronavirus in Toronto

Ontario health officials have announced that a “presumptive” case of coronavirus has been confirmed at Toronto’s Sunnybrook hospital, marking the first such case in Canada.

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male 50's imported case
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suspect Granada
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Hey Nawty ... so glad to see a common sense thread on here. This beast seems to make the old Ebola days seem laughable.

Thank You for putting it all together for real with just the facts !!

God Bless everyone and Good Luck to all of us ... Hopefully this isn't "it" !!
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Here's some new numbers from a source different than I normally use.

[link to bnonews.com (secure)]


As of 7 minutes ago:


Confirmed 1762

Dead 54

Critical condition 11

Serious condition 211
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I'm going to post this again. This is what we are dealing with.

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How Sneeze Particles Travel Inside an Airplane


Enjoy!
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How to make your own hand sanitizer.

[link to www.thoughtco.com (secure)]
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For those so interested.

How to don and doff PPE

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Confirmed 1762

Dead 54
TRUMPS FAULT
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While we were keeping an eye on Ebola back in the day there was a virology forum that I believe a virologist named Ian had kept posting updates and there was very interesting info being posted by numerous Dr.s and virologists ... anyone remember the name of that forum ??
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While we were keeping an eye on Ebola back in the day there was a virology forum that I believe a virologist named Ian had kept posting updates and there was very interesting info being posted by numerous Dr.s and virologists ... anyone remember the name of that forum ??
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He hasn't posted in days. I check several times a day.

[link to virologydownunder.com (secure)]

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On the basis of the information currently available, ECDC considers that:
• potential impact of #nCoV2019 outbreaks is high;
• further global spread is likely;
• moderate likelihood of infection for EU/EEA travellers visiting #Wuhan;
• moderate likelihood of detecting cases imported in into EU/EEA countries
• adherence to appropriate infection prevention and control practices, particularly in healthcare settings in EU/EEA countries with direct links to Wuhan, means that the likelihood of a case reported in the EU resulting in secondary cases within the EU/EEA is low.

Read the full #RiskAssessment here: [link to www.ecdc.europa.eu (secure)]
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Like I said.. everyones panicking and over reacting..in 2 weeks this will all be over and Biden, Obama and Hillary failed once again
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I pray you are right but counting on the "officials" to provide us with a valid risk assessment would be irresponsible at best!!
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Just some advice re: corona virus. I often wear gloves and this is also helpful in preventing the spread of the virus. Gloves work two ways they protect you and they protect others!


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1st column "Date" - Numbers taken late evening Eastern time.
2nd column "Cumulative worldwide deaths"
3rd column "Deaths over next 24 hr period"
4th column "Official count when available" - Post will be updated

Jan 22 - 17 - 8 - 17 official
Jan 23 - 25 - 12 - 25 official
Jan 24 - 37 - 18 - 41 official
Jan 25 - 55 - 27
Jan 26 - 82 - 41
Jan 27 - 123 - 61
Jan 28 - 184 - 92
Jan 29 - 276 - 138
Jan 30 - 414 - 207
Jan 31 - 621 - 310
Feb 1 - 931 - 465
Feb 2 - 1,396 - 698
Feb 3 - 2,094 - 1,047
Feb 4 - 3,141 - 1,570
Feb 5 - 4,711 - 2,355
Feb 6 - 7,066 - 3,533
Feb 7 - 10,599 - 5,299
Feb 8 - 15,898 - 7,949
Feb 9 - 23,847 - 11,923
Feb 10 - 35,770 - 17,885
Feb 11 - 53,655 - 26,827
Feb 12 - 80,482 - 40,241
Feb 13 - 120,723 - 60,361
Feb 14 - 181,084 - 90,542
Feb 15 - 271,626 - 135,813
Feb 16 - 407,439 - 203,719
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I'm going to post this again. This is what we are dealing with.

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How Sneeze Particles Travel Inside an Airplane


Enjoy!
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Mmmmmm yummy!
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1st column "Date" - Numbers taken late evening Eastern time.
2nd column "Cumulative worldwide deaths"
3rd column "Deaths over next 24 hr period"
4th column "Official count when available" - Post will be updated

Jan 22 - 17 - 8 - 17 official
Jan 23 - 25 - 12 - 25 official
Jan 24 - 37 - 18 - 41 official
Jan 25 - 55 - 27
Jan 26 - 82 - 41
Jan 27 - 123 - 61
Jan 28 - 184 - 92
Jan 29 - 276 - 138
Jan 30 - 414 - 207
Jan 31 - 621 - 310
Feb 1 - 931 - 465
Feb 2 - 1,396 - 698
Feb 3 - 2,094 - 1,047
Feb 4 - 3,141 - 1,570
Feb 5 - 4,711 - 2,355
Feb 6 - 7,066 - 3,533
Feb 7 - 10,599 - 5,299
Feb 8 - 15,898 - 7,949
Feb 9 - 23,847 - 11,923
Feb 10 - 35,770 - 17,885
Feb 11 - 53,655 - 26,827
Feb 12 - 80,482 - 40,241
Feb 13 - 120,723 - 60,361
Feb 14 - 181,084 - 90,542
Feb 15 - 271,626 - 135,813
Feb 16 - 407,439 - 203,719
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Its already higher than that! 53 now!
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1st column "Date" - Numbers taken late evening Eastern time.
2nd column "Cumulative worldwide deaths"
3rd column "Deaths over next 24 hr period"
4th column "Official count when available" - Post will be updated

Jan 22 - 17 - 8 - 17 official
Jan 23 - 25 - 12 - 25 official
Jan 24 - 37 - 18 - 41 official
Jan 25 - 55 - 27
Jan 26 - 82 - 41
Jan 27 - 123 - 61
Jan 28 - 184 - 92
Jan 29 - 276 - 138
Jan 30 - 414 - 207
Jan 31 - 621 - 310
Feb 1 - 931 - 465
Feb 2 - 1,396 - 698
Feb 3 - 2,094 - 1,047
Feb 4 - 3,141 - 1,570
Feb 5 - 4,711 - 2,355
Feb 6 - 7,066 - 3,533
Feb 7 - 10,599 - 5,299
Feb 8 - 15,898 - 7,949
Feb 9 - 23,847 - 11,923
Feb 10 - 35,770 - 17,885
Feb 11 - 53,655 - 26,827
Feb 12 - 80,482 - 40,241
Feb 13 - 120,723 - 60,361
Feb 14 - 181,084 - 90,542
Feb 15 - 271,626 - 135,813
Feb 16 - 407,439 - 203,719
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Its already higher than that! 53 now!
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So your final figure would be loser to 586,102
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1st column "Date" - Numbers taken late evening Eastern time.
2nd column "Cumulative worldwide deaths"
3rd column "Deaths over next 24 hr period"
4th column "Official count when available" - Post will be updated

Jan 22 - 17 - 8 - 17 official
Jan 23 - 25 - 12 - 25 official
Jan 24 - 37 - 18 - 41 official
Jan 25 - 55 - 27
Jan 26 - 82 - 41
Jan 27 - 123 - 61
Jan 28 - 184 - 92
Jan 29 - 276 - 138
Jan 30 - 414 - 207
Jan 31 - 621 - 310
Feb 1 - 931 - 465
Feb 2 - 1,396 - 698
Feb 3 - 2,094 - 1,047
Feb 4 - 3,141 - 1,570
Feb 5 - 4,711 - 2,355
Feb 6 - 7,066 - 3,533
Feb 7 - 10,599 - 5,299
Feb 8 - 15,898 - 7,949
Feb 9 - 23,847 - 11,923
Feb 10 - 35,770 - 17,885
Feb 11 - 53,655 - 26,827
Feb 12 - 80,482 - 40,241
Feb 13 - 120,723 - 60,361
Feb 14 - 181,084 - 90,542
Feb 15 - 271,626 - 135,813
Feb 16 - 407,439 - 203,719
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Its already higher than that! 53 now!
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So your final figure would be closer to 586,102
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Closer to 586,102
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They got better.
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As in?? Rose from the grave better?

cattheend
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As in:


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They were death's have someone at UMH in ann arbor, CDC is testing now
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Sounds like Beijing is going on full lock down.

US personnel and ex-pats being evacuated back to US.
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Put 'em in a camp somewhere till verified virus free
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Sounds like Beijing is going on full lock down.

US personnel and ex-pats being evacuated back to US.
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Put 'em in a camp somewhere till verified virus free
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Maybe set something up at mid way to take care of them if they need it and to keep the other safe till they are free to return safely. Can it be done?
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So, they have banned all public transportation in XX cities and regions. Now they are starting to ban private conveyances, allowing only government sponsored vehicles to move. (FYI, I saw a stat that said 220,000 POVs left Wuhan just before the travel ban took place.)

This situation in several cities is already dire, but I'll use Wuhan for discussion purposes since this is ground Zero. Wuhan is approximately 600 sq miles. There are 26 power generating facilities in Hubei province ( [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] 15 of those are non-renewable, coal, gas, fuel oil. Those facilities need people to run. Deliveries of fuels, people to unload fuel, people to run the power plants, etc. At what point do people stop going to work? Or start dropping dead at work? Or people can't get to work? They can send in the military, but the military will be busy enforcing quarantines. We are mere steps away from martial law, if we aren't there already.

Non-government sponsored info is being clamped down on. I suspect that soon the internet there will be severely restricted. But, I believe, if things are as bad as I think they are, that we will start hearing rumors of power outages and local electricity blackouts, first, and probably total electrical blackouts eventually. You want to see panic? Turn out the lights for a day or 2.

We are on a slippery slope, and it's going to be difficult to put on the brakes.

Someone convince me I'm out of line here, that I'm wrong.
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The military will keep the lights water and sewer on combat engineers company will operate critical infrastructure at a higher efficiency then the normal staff





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