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Anyone here following any of the expose stuff being done showing hospitals throughout the entire nation sitting there ... EMPTY?

The reports of nursing staff/docs from all around the entire nation being told to STFH is ... pretty interesting.

The pieces at counterpunch and nakedcapitalism on the ownership of ERs/docs by frikken hedge funds...those were eyeopening, to say the least. That Cerberus owned place in PA threatening to close if they didn't get a shit ton of money from the gov...I told hubby Cerberus sounds a lot like the mafia, lol....
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Yes, many are empty now. In a week, not so much. Hospitals in softly hit areas had time to prepare, and that includes canceling all elective surgery and routine appointments. They are holding the doctors in reserve for the surge which is coming in the next week or 2.

Let's try to find an empty hospital in 10 days.
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Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus

A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York tested positive for coronavirus, which causes Covid-19 in humans. This is the first instance of a tiger being infected, according to the US Department of Agriculture’s National Veterinary Services Laboratories.

The tiger, named Nadia, along with her sister Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions "had developed a dry cough and all are expected to recover," a news release from the zoo said.

Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after several lions and tigers at the zoo showed symptoms of respiratory illness, the USDA said in a release.

"Though they have experienced some decrease in appetite, the cats at the Bronx Zoo are otherwise doing well under veterinary care and are bright, alert, and interactive with their keepers. It is not known how this disease will develop in big cats since different species can react differently to novel infections, but we will continue to monitor them closely and anticipate full recoveries," the zoo's release said.

The zoo said the big cats were infected by a person caring for them who was either asymptomatic or had not yet developed symptoms.

"Appropriate preventive measures are now in place for all staff who are caring for them, and the other cats in our four WCS zoos, to prevent further exposure of any other of our zoo cats," the release said.
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson admitted to hospital for coronavirus tests


UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson was admitted to a hospital on Sunday for coronavirus tests, according to a statement released by Johnson's office.

"On the advice of his doctor, the Prime Minister has tonight been admitted to hospital for tests," the statement read.

"This is a precautionary step, as the Prime Minister continues to have persistent symptoms of coronavirus 10 days after testing positive for the virus.





Bah. What other "precautionary" "coronavirus tests" can tghey do. He's already tested positive. And putting him in the hospital flies against all advice given....stay home unless very sick.

This is a bad sign for Boris, no matter how they try to spin the narrative.
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So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
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So English is not your first language?

If the "Trump pills" (HCQ + Z-Pak) are taken as soon as symptoms appear, very few patients ever have to go to the hospital, even fewer ever need ICU, and none die. That's what we want.

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Share this doc if you want.

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Perhaps the single most obviously useful sentence in this document is:
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The lack of deaths in Germany as contrasted by the amount of cases is attributable to the use of this therapy and not just the use of testing.
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Poland's death rate (2 per million) is an order of magnitude lower than Germany's (19 per million), perhaps because Poland approved chloroquine to treat COVID-19 on March 12.

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Let's try to find an empty hospital in 10 days.
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Chuckle. A total of 3 people have died of COVID-19 in the city of Aurora, population 200,000 near Chicago. At least one was publicly identified as being in his 90s. (I suspect the other two were likewise either very elderly or had multiple pathological conditions.)

A total of 67 have tested positive, including the mayor (who is doing quite well, thank you).

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I sincerely doubt that Aurora's hospitals are going to magically fill up with COVID-19 patients in the next 10 days.

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New study on hydroxychloroquine and azithro. No real antiviral effects on #COVID19. Same dosing as the previous Gautret et al study from Marseille
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. This casts doubt if effects real or not. We need to slow down the rush, and need real randomized trial.



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I say give it to them if they want it. It does make some better and doesn't kill anyone as far as I know. What have you got to lose?

Maybe their trial patients are zinc deficient?
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Ten percent of hydroxychlorine users experience severe side effects,including permanent blurry vision, permanent hearing loss, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, and psychosis. This is not something to be administered lightly. It has many, many drug interactions and for those with re-existing conditions, it can hasten their death. Intravenous Vitamin C and MMS are the two safest and probably best solutions for serious cases.
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Let's try to find an empty hospital in 10 days.
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Chuckle. A total of 3 people have died of COVID-19 in the city of Aurora, population 200,000 near Chicago. At least one was publicly identified as being in his 90s. (I suspect the other two were likewise either very elderly or had multiple pathological conditions.)

A total of 67 have tested positive, including the mayor (who is doing quite well, thank you).

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I sincerely doubt that Aurora's hospitals are going to magically fill up with COVID-19 patients in the next 10 days.
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Let's talk in 10 days.
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Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus

A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York tested positive for coronavirus, which causes Covid-19 in humans. This is the first instance of a tiger being infected, according to the US Department of Agriculture’s National Veterinary Services Laboratories.

The tiger, named Nadia, along with her sister Azul, two Amur tigers and three African lions "had developed a dry cough and all are expected to recover," a news release from the zoo said.

Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after several lions and tigers at the zoo showed symptoms of respiratory illness, the USDA said in a release.

"Though they have experienced some decrease in appetite, the cats at the Bronx Zoo are otherwise doing well under veterinary care and are bright, alert, and interactive with their keepers. It is not known how this disease will develop in big cats since different species can react differently to novel infections, but we will continue to monitor them closely and anticipate full recoveries," the zoo's release said.

The zoo said the big cats were infected by a person caring for them who was either asymptomatic or had not yet developed symptoms.

"Appropriate preventive measures are now in place for all staff who are caring for them, and the other cats in our four WCS zoos, to prevent further exposure of any other of our zoo cats," the release said.
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All of this cross species infection seems very bizarre. I'm aware of crosses with both Birds & Pigs as a result of similar genetics, but I've never heard of cross infection of dogs and cats and humans, until now.

These is quite alarming to me.
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Ten percent of hydroxychlorine users experience severe side effects,including permanent blurry vision, permanent hearing loss, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts, and psychosis.
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Nonsense. You made that up. "Linky or you stinky."
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So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
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So English is not your first language?

If the "Trump pills" (HCQ + Z-Pak) are taken as soon as symptoms appear, very few patients ever have to go to the hospital, even fewer ever need ICU, and none die. That's what we want.
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Don't be an ass. Show me a study that shows this. Even the French study "ignored" 4 patients that got worse or died.

I'm all for trying anything, but this is not even close to the end-all-be-all to treat COVID. There are too many contraindications and bad side effects to be used as a general therapy. So, this may be an arrow in our quiver, but we need a lot more than this.

Another problem is if we only the test the most serious cases because there is a lack of testing, they are passed the point where Chloro/Zpak might help. The mild cases that would benefit from this therapy aren't even being tested.

We have to test everyone...treat the mild cases before they get severe, and isolate the infected from the clean.

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Churches across US hold Palm Sunday services despite social distancing and stay-at-home orders


Despite many states implementing stay-at-home orders and social distancing guidelines, churches across the US are still holding service on Palm Sunday, which marks Jesus' monumental arrival in Jerusalem.

"We don’t get our rights to worship freely from the government we get those from God," said the Rev. Tony Spell with the Life Tabernacle Church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. More than 1,200 people attended his church Sunday.
"We rather obey God than man," he said."


The Rev. Alvin Gwynn Sr. of Friendship Baptist Church in Baltimore, Maryland, said he had a steady stream of people walking through the church, processional style, careful not to have more than eight or nine.

Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson told reporters Sunday churches were allowed to stay open. Most churches are making services available online, he said.

"Churches by and large do the right thing, they want to protect their parishioners," Hutchinson said. "There are a few that have a very small attendance and they socially distance, we don't recommend that but if it's within the guidelines then that's understandable."

Hutchinson did mention officials "had trouble with a church putting parishioners at risk" and after the health department called them, "they took the right steps and are not meeting" with a large congregation.


Well, with your stupidity, you just might get to meet your God sooner rather than later.
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While I don't agree with it, I do understand it. There's a whole lot of scared people out there, and their faith is what gets them through. I keep picturing the preacher on the movie Titanic, as it was going down. Could some of them been saved had they gone for a lifeboat? Maybe. But, they were being saved, in their way. I think we each need to find our peace, or draw our line in the sand, whatever or where ever that may be. We are all in uncharted territory.
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Let's try to find an empty hospital in 10 days.
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Chuckle. A total of 3 people have died of COVID-19 in the city of Aurora, population 200,000 near Chicago. At least one was publicly identified as being in his 90s. (I suspect the other two were likewise either very elderly or had multiple pathological conditions.)

A total of 67 have tested positive, including the mayor (who is doing quite well, thank you).

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I sincerely doubt that Aurora's hospitals are going to magically fill up with COVID-19 patients in the next 10 days.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm thinking at this point. I guess the initial modeling was way off...
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So, this may be an arrow in our quiver, but we need a lot more than this.

Another problem is if we only the test the most serious cases because there is a lack of testing, they are passed the point where Chloro/Zpak might help. The mild cases that would benefit from this therapy aren't even being tested.

We have to test everyone...treat the mild cases before they get severe, and isolate the infected from the clean.
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I can fully agree with the above. That's why I am shocked at Los Angeles County's new policy.

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Doctors should test symptomatic patients only when “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The guidance sets in writing what has been a reality all along.
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Am I understanding this correctly?

- "We are going to automatically code all fevers and coughs as COVID-19 in order to cash in on the federal $$$."

- "We aren't actually going to prescribe HCQ or anything else for COVID-19 patients until they need $$$ ICU treatment."

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So, this may be an arrow in our quiver, but we need a lot more than this.

Another problem is if we only the test the most serious cases because there is a lack of testing, they are passed the point where Chloro/Zpak might help. The mild cases that would benefit from this therapy aren't even being tested.

We have to test everyone...treat the mild cases before they get severe, and isolate the infected from the clean.
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I can fully agree with the above. That's why I am shocked at Los Angeles County's new policy.

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Doctors should test symptomatic patients only when “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The guidance sets in writing what has been a reality all along.
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Am I understanding this correctly?

- "We are going to automatically code all fevers and coughs as COVID-19 in order to cash in on the federal $$$."

- "We aren't actually going to prescribe HCQ or anything else for COVID-19 patients until they need $$$ ICU treatment."
 Quoting: BeSkeptical



This is the exact kind of shit that screams LEFTIST SCAM.
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Modeling error confirmed?

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No way LA was peak April 1. Just my opinion
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No way LA was peak April 1. Just my opinion
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A model is only as good as the data and assumptions it's based on. Models are revised as new information becomes available.

I, personally don't believe we have peaked anywhere in the US yet. That being said, STFH orders are certainly helping flatten the curve, and the fact that a lot of people have been socially distant, or at least much more careful for a couple months now is certainly helping. I haven't visited a restaurant, bar, or been social since mid-January. There are many people like me that haven't been accounted for in the models. Even though it's been around 14 days since social distancing started in earnest, we must remember that the average time from exposure to onset of symptoms is ~5 days, and that almost all exposures show symptoms by day 12 (if they are going to show symptoms at all.) So, being a couple weeks in to SD should show up in the numbers, and the model inputs should be adjusted accordingly. SD is working to lower the numbers, but, wil it be enough to lower the R0 to less than 1? Not for a while yet, as there are idiots who will continue to spread the disease. Remember, we aren't trying to stop it by SDing, we are trying to flatten the curve so we can find a viable treatment, and possibly a vax. If we can't treat or vax for it, it will be like flu, coming around every year and causing havoc.

If we have empty ERs/hospitals in a week or 2, then we have succeeded in flattening the curve. Effective mitigation will look like a huge over reaction if it works. That's what we want.
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No way LA was peak April 1. Just my opinion
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A model is only as good as the data and assumptions it's based on. Models are revised as new information becomes available.

I, personally don't believe we have peaked anywhere in the US yet. That being said, STFH orders are certainly helping flatten the curve, and the fact that a lot of people have been socially distant, or at least much more careful for a couple months now is certainly helping. I haven't visited a restaurant, bar, or been social since mid-January. There are many people like me that haven't been accounted for in the models. Even though it's been around 14 days since social distancing started in earnest, we must remember that the average time from exposure to onset of symptoms is ~5 days, and that almost all exposures show symptoms by day 12 (if they are going to show symptoms at all.) So, being a couple weeks in to SD should show up in the numbers, and the model inputs should be adjusted accordingly. SD is working to lower the numbers, but, wil it be enough to lower the R0 to less than 1? Not for a while yet, as there are idiots who will continue to spread the disease. Remember, we aren't trying to stop it by SDing, we are trying to flatten the curve so we can find a viable treatment, and possibly a vax. If we can't treat or vax for it, it will be like flu, coming around every year and causing havoc.

If we have empty ERs/hospitals in a week or 2, then we have succeeded in flattening the curve. Effective mitigation will look like a huge over reaction if it works. That's what we want.
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Agree. Seems most can’t take in all info and think outside of box OR they don’t understand it’s only been 2 weeks. I know I feel like I’ve been watching this for years. Two weeks, for a social person probably feels like months

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So, this may be an arrow in our quiver, but we need a lot more than this.

Another problem is if we only the test the most serious cases because there is a lack of testing, they are passed the point where Chloro/Zpak might help. The mild cases that would benefit from this therapy aren't even being tested.

We have to test everyone...treat the mild cases before they get severe, and isolate the infected from the clean.
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I can fully agree with the above. That's why I am shocked at Los Angeles County's new policy.

[link to www.latimes.com (secure)]
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Doctors should test symptomatic patients only when “a diagnostic result will change clinical management or inform public health response.”

The guidance sets in writing what has been a reality all along.
---

Am I understanding this correctly?

- "We are going to automatically code all fevers and coughs as COVID-19 in order to cash in on the federal $$$."

- "We aren't actually going to prescribe HCQ or anything else for COVID-19 patients until they need $$$ ICU treatment."
 Quoting: BeSkeptical


This is what China did when they started getting overwhelmed, using clinical diagnosis instead of actual testing. It is a valid diagnostic tool, if done properly.

I'm not sure they are "Coding for Dollars", but it looks like they will miss treating many mild cases that will turning in to ICU cases.

But, I am certainly for a clinical diagnosis if it leads to treatment.
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No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection
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This study merely tells us what we already know:

Trump pills must be prescribed as soon as symptoms appear.
Once the patient needs hospitalization, they are of only limited benefit; and once the patient is on a ventilator, the Trump pills offer no benefit at all.
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So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
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I prefer green M&Ms.
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So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
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So English is not your first language?

If the "Trump pills" (HCQ + Z-Pak) are taken as soon as symptoms appear, very few patients ever have to go to the hospital, even fewer ever need ICU, and none die. That's what we want.
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That is not proof the pills work. 80% of people who take the pills or green M&Ms will not go to hospital. We need proof!
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So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
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So English is not your first language?

If the "Trump pills" (HCQ + Z-Pak) are taken as soon as symptoms appear, very few patients ever have to go to the hospital, even fewer ever need ICU, and none die. That's what we want.
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That is not proof the pills work. 80% of people who take the pills or green M&Ms will not go to hospital. We need proof!
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There's empirical evidence that this cocktail works for some people, and for others, it makes things worse. So we need to figure out who it can help, and use it on them, and the others will need some other treatment.
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My cousin died today he was on ventilator. VERY obese and type one diabetic. He lived with his brother. The brother went to store and came back home and tommy was laying on the blue in face and in pain breathing.
His brother said he had no idea tommy was sick was perfectly fine when he left was gone maybe a hour.
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Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345
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This shit is why this thing will be with us for a long while. I have no problem letting your god deal with you, but, you have no right to put ANYONE else in danger.
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04/06/2020 03:22 PM

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Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345
My cousin died today he was on ventilator. VERY obese and type one diabetic. He lived with his brother. The brother went to store and came back home and tommy was laying on the blue in face and in pain breathing.
His brother said he had no idea tommy was sick was perfectly fine when he left was gone maybe a hour.
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Wow. I'm sorry to hear that. Are they doing a post-mortem CoV test on him, do you know?

Going from perfectly fine to dead in a hour happened in the 1918 flu pandemic. And we have seen unverified evidence of people dropping dead in China. This is only the second case of this happening I've heard of in the US.
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04/06/2020 03:30 PM

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Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345
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Boston ER doc saying they've started to see people who have previously been discharged back at hospital even sicker (starts at 0:43)

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Jon Santiago
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I feel things are picking up in Boston, not just in volume but in how sick these #covid19 #coronavirus patients are presenting. The decision to put anyone on a ventilator is risky and challenging, much more so in this era. My last patient this shift was another reminder.
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If that's the case, there is no HERD IMMUNITY.
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No. But there's no herd immunity from the common cold, either. Both corona virus.
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04/06/2020 03:31 PM

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Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345
So, if you treat the mild patients, they get better, but once they hit the hospital, the drug cocktail isn't effective.

I could get the same results with green M&Ms.

We need a treatment for the 20%. Or the 8% ICU patients.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

So English is not your first language?

If the "Trump pills" (HCQ + Z-Pak) are taken as soon as symptoms appear, very few patients ever have to go to the hospital, even fewer ever need ICU, and none die. That's what we want.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical
That is not proof the pills work. 80% of people who take the pills or green M&Ms will not go to hospital. We need proof!
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Was there a study done?
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