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Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.
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The addition of zinc sulfate did not impact the length of hospitalization, duration of ventilation, or ICU duration. In univariate analyses, zinc sulfate increased the frequency of patients being discharged home, and decreased the need for ventilation, admission to the ICU, and mortality or transfer to hospice for patients who were never admitted to the ICU. After adjusting for the time at which zinc sulfate was added to our protocol, an increased frequency of being discharged home (OR 1.53, 95% CI 1.12-2.09) reduction in mortality or transfer to hospice remained significant (OR 0.449, 95% CI 0.271-0.744).
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I think it’s better to use zinc and HCQ, it will prevent some deaths, but is no magic cure. The plasma transfusion also seems to be able to avoid deaths in critical cases.

Yet we are preventing deaths, but not preventing critical cases.
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And the permanent damage to critical survivors can be debilitating.
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New Orleans will start reopening on Saturday. Here's what's allowed to reopen.

New Orleans Mayor LaToya Cantrell announced that the city would reopen in a "very slow" manner starting Saturday.

"Based on the guidance of our health care professionals, we are where we need to be to slowly reopen the city," she said yesterday. "If we do not do well in this first phase, we will not be going to any other phase."

Phase 1 will start at 6 a.m. on Saturday. At that time...

Restaurants can open, but they need reservations to have a log for contact tracing.
Gyms can open under 25% occupancy without group activities. Personal training is approved in this initial phase, according to Cantrell.
Churches will be allowed to open at 25% capacity or at 100 people, whichever is smaller.

During this phase, the city is mandating residents to wear face coverings in public. Close contact businesses — such as spas, massage parlors and tattoo shops — will not be allowed to reopen in phase one, according to Cantrell.
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Key model predicts increased US death toll: The model suggests that 147,000 coronavirus deaths will occur in the US by August 4.That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.




I'm trying to find this model. Will post when I do.
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Key model predicts increased US death toll: The model suggests that 147,000 coronavirus deaths will occur in the US by August 4.That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.




I'm trying to find this model. Will post when I do.
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A key coronavirus model often cited by the White House has again raised its coronavirus death projection, now predicting 147,000 deaths in the US by August 4.

That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.

On Sunday, Dr. Christopher Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, tied the earlier increase to “explosive increases in mobility in a number of states.”

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DC extends STFH order until June 8
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Coronavirus epidemiologist Q&A: ‘We're just in the second inning of a nine-inning game’


As the number of U.S. deaths attributed to COVID-19 approached 82,000, the USA TODAY Editorial Board spoke with Dr. Michael Osterholm, one of the nation’s leading epidemiologists. Osterholm, 67, is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and co-author of "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs." Questions and answers have been edited for length, clarity and flow:

Q. How bad is this outbreak?

A. Sixty days ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 100 causes of death in this country. Within six weeks it was the No. 1 cause of death. That hasn't happened since (the) 1918 (flu pandemic).




This is a good interview with Osterholm. Read it.
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Key model predicts increased US death toll: The model suggests that 147,000 coronavirus deaths will occur in the US by August 4.That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.

I'm trying to find this model. Will post when I do.
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It's this one.

[link to covid19.healthdata.org (secure)]

The sad truth is that almost no one would die if every individual, every doctor, every nursing home, and every hospital were to follow the full set of prevention/treatment guidelines of the East Virginia Medical School.

[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]

We've already discussed prevention and the mild cases, but does everyone understand that the best doctors now know how to deal even with the most serious cases? For details, follow this Twitter account.

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Key model predicts increased US death toll: The model suggests that 147,000 coronavirus deaths will occur in the US by August 4.That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.

I'm trying to find this model. Will post when I do.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

It's this one.

[link to covid19.healthdata.org (secure)]

The sad truth is that almost no one would die if every individual, every doctor, every nursing home, and every hospital were to follow the full set of prevention/treatment guidelines of the East Virginia Medical School.

[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]

We've already discussed prevention and the mild cases, but does everyone understand that the best doctors now know how to deal even with the most serious cases? For details, follow this Twitter account.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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I see they updated this on the 11th.

They added Methylprednisolone to hospital treatment, mild symptoms. IIRC, corticosteroids are contraindicated for COVID.

Anecdotally, I have done this prophylaxis since november (i do it every winter to prevent colds). I believe I have been exposed on a few occasions, and haven't gotten sick. I am actively seeking an seroprevalence test to see if I have developed and retained antibodies.

This is a promising course, but efficacy is only anecdotal right now. But, I agree, most people should be on this.
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Association of Treatment With Hydroxychloroquine or Azithromycin With In-Hospital Mortality in Patients With COVID-19 in New York State


Conclusions and Relevance

Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.

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Secondary Outcomes

Across all groups, the most commonly reported adverse event was abnormal ECG findings, particularly arrhythmia (Table 4). Abnormal ECG findings were more common among patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine alone, both overall and among those with a record of ECG screening. However, in logistic regression models of abnormal ECG findings, there were no significant differences between the groups receiving neither drug and each of the hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine alone groups.

A greater proportion of patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin experienced cardiac arrest (15.5%) and abnormal ECG findings (27.1%), as did those in the hydroxychloroquine alone group (13.7% and 27.3, respectively), compared with azithromycin alone (6.2% and 16.1%, respectively) and neither drug (6.8% and 14.0%, respectively). In adjusted models with those receiving neither drug as comparison, cardiac arrest was more likely in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin (adjusted OR, 2.13 [95% CI, 1.12-4.05]; E-value = 1.31), but not hydroxychloroquine alone (adjusted OR, 1.91 [95% CI, 0.96-3.81]) and azithromycin alone (adjusted OR, 0.64 [95% CI, 0.27-1.56]), and also in patients taking hydroxychloroquine alone vs azithromycin alone (adjusted OR, 2.97 [95% CI, 1.56-5.64]; E-value = 1.81).
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Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality.
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Hydroxychloroquine requires zinc for effectiveness. In any case, hydroxychloroquine is most effective when taken as soon as symptoms appear--long before the patient winds up in a hospital.
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Key model predicts increased US death toll: The model suggests that 147,000 coronavirus deaths will occur in the US by August 4.That’s an increase of about 10,000 deaths compared to the model’s estimate from this weekend, which was already higher than earlier projections.

I'm trying to find this model. Will post when I do.
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It's this one.

[link to covid19.healthdata.org (secure)]

The sad truth is that almost no one would die if every individual, every doctor, every nursing home, and every hospital were to follow the full set of prevention/treatment guidelines of the East Virginia Medical School.

[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]

We've already discussed prevention and the mild cases, but does everyone understand that the best doctors now know how to deal even with the most serious cases? For details, follow this Twitter account.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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It looks like most of them would die, because were not yet seeing a lot of increased overall mortality for this time of year. Look at overall mortality from CDC stats. It does not appear to be higher than normal. Of course with delayed registration of deaths, we do need more data. Also I am thinking less driving might be saving lives. People are driving less but having more accidents per mile, due to stress I would imagine.

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Also look at the entry for 5/9/2020 as well as previous week. This is a reduction of 60 percent of the normal death rate. This reduced deaths by around 35-40 thousand. Making it look like Covid19 is mostly stealing deaths from the future. We need a full season's worth of data to determine the excess mortality. Its a bit early still!

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Making it look like Covid19 is mostly stealing deaths from the future.
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Yes, I do not count deaths of people who were not going to live another 6 months anyway. Such people are considered terminally ill in the legal sense. They often enter hospice care and decline aggressive treatment.
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Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality.
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Hydroxychloroquine requires zinc for effectiveness. In any case, hydroxychloroquine is most effective when taken as soon as symptoms appear--long before the patient winds up in a hospital.
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Yes, why don’t they give it to everyone at the onset of symptoms?
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A high-profile infectious disease researcher warns COVID-19 is in the early stages of attacking the world, which makes it difficult to relax stay-at-home orders without putting most Americans at risk.

Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said the initial wave of outbreaks in cities such as New York City, where one in five people have been infected, represent a fraction of the illness and death yet to come.

"This damn virus is going to keep going until it infects everybody it possibly can," Osterholm said Monday during a meeting with the USA TODAY Editorial Board. "It surely won’t slow down until it hits 60 to 70%" of the population, the number that would create herd immunity and halt the spread of the virus.
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When are they going to stop lying to us or do they really not know?....this virus is a killing machine that is almost immortal and keeps recreating itself in other versions. There is no immunity to it...herd or otherwise. You can keep on getting infected over and over until it finally kills you.

I don't know why they bother to vaccinated everybody. The vaccines are going to kill you....If mass genocide is the goal...just leave everything alone....the virus will exterminate everybody over time of a few years.
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Coronavirus epidemiologist Q&A: ‘We're just in the second inning of a nine-inning game’


As the number of U.S. deaths attributed to COVID-19 approached 82,000, the USA TODAY Editorial Board spoke with Dr. Michael Osterholm, one of the nation’s leading epidemiologists. Osterholm, 67, is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and co-author of "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs." Questions and answers have been edited for length, clarity and flow:

Q. How bad is this outbreak?

A. Sixty days ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 100 causes of death in this country. Within six weeks it was the No. 1 cause of death. That hasn't happened since (the) 1918 (flu pandemic).




This is a good interview with Osterholm. Read it.
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Osterholt seems either clueless or disingenuous regarding transmission, in my opinion. Here’s a quote:

Q. Why are some areas, even within the same country such as Italy, hit so much harder than others?

A. We don't know, and it can't be explained by any sociologic, population density, transportation issue. We don't know. That's the random nature of these viruses, and that's what makes it so tough.


”We don’t know, and it can’t be explained...” apparently the good doctor is ignorant of the fact that in the a north of Italy, the epicenter of the outbreak, there are almost 400,000 Chinese nationals in factories making designer items at low wages, just so they can be marked “Made in Italy”, and that these workers travel frequently between Italy and China.

As for “Random nature”, yeah, my ass. Some of us know very well why this is occurring as it is in the U.S., and it can be explained quite easily.

The CCP is an evil entity bent on world domination at any cost. The U.S. stands in the way of those plans. We know that the CCP allowed almost half a million Chinese citizens to travel by air to the U.S. when it knew that a percentage of them were infected. We know that agents of the CCP appear to have seeded the virus in nursing homes and meat-packing plants, among other places. Seen the multitude of videos and instances of Chinese people touching and licking things in U.S. stores?

Doctor, with all due respect, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. The Chinese are complete scumbags, having unleashed a bioweapon on the world, and are hoping to be last man standing thanks to their large population. We are in a biowar at the moment, with hostilities begun by the CCP, and quite likely to progress to a kinetic war in the near future.
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AZ supposedly opens up tomorrow and "miraculously" the covid is going up.
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Coronavirus epidemiologist Q&A: ‘We're just in the second inning of a nine-inning game’


As the number of U.S. deaths attributed to COVID-19 approached 82,000, the USA TODAY Editorial Board spoke with Dr. Michael Osterholm, one of the nation’s leading epidemiologists. Osterholm, 67, is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and co-author of "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs." Questions and answers have been edited for length, clarity and flow:

Q. How bad is this outbreak?

A. Sixty days ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 100 causes of death in this country. Within six weeks it was the No. 1 cause of death. That hasn't happened since (the) 1918 (flu pandemic).




This is a good interview with Osterholm. Read it.
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Osterholt seems either clueless or disingenuous regarding transmission, in my opinion. Here’s a quote:

Q. Why are some areas, even within the same country such as Italy, hit so much harder than others?

A. We don't know, and it can't be explained by any sociologic, population density, transportation issue. We don't know. That's the random nature of these viruses, and that's what makes it so tough.


”We don’t know, and it can’t be explained...” apparently the good doctor is ignorant of the fact that in the a north of Italy, the epicenter of the outbreak, there are almost 400,000 Chinese nationals in factories making designer items at low wages, just so they can be marked “Made in Italy”, and that these workers travel frequently between Italy and China.

As for “Random nature”, yeah, my ass. Some of us know very well why this is occurring as it is in the U.S., and it can be explained quite easily.

The CCP is an evil entity bent on world domination at any cost. The U.S. stands in the way of those plans. We know that the CCP allowed almost half a million Chinese citizens to travel by air to the U.S. when it knew that a percentage of them were infected. We know that agents of the CCP appear to have seeded the virus in nursing homes and meat-packing plants, among other places. Seen the multitude of videos and instances of Chinese people touching and licking things in U.S. stores?

Doctor, with all due respect, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. The Chinese are complete scumbags, having unleashed a bioweapon on the world, and are hoping to be last man standing thanks to their large population. We are in a biowar at the moment, with hostilities begun by the CCP, and quite likely to progress to a kinetic war in the near future.
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Coronavirus epidemiologist Q&A: ‘We're just in the second inning of a nine-inning game’


As the number of U.S. deaths attributed to COVID-19 approached 82,000, the USA TODAY Editorial Board spoke with Dr. Michael Osterholm, one of the nation’s leading epidemiologists. Osterholm, 67, is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and co-author of "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Killer Germs." Questions and answers have been edited for length, clarity and flow:

Q. How bad is this outbreak?

A. Sixty days ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 100 causes of death in this country. Within six weeks it was the No. 1 cause of death. That hasn't happened since (the) 1918 (flu pandemic).




This is a good interview with Osterholm. Read it.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Osterholt seems either clueless or disingenuous regarding transmission, in my opinion. Here’s a quote:

Q. Why are some areas, even within the same country such as Italy, hit so much harder than others?

A. We don't know, and it can't be explained by any sociologic, population density, transportation issue. We don't know. That's the random nature of these viruses, and that's what makes it so tough.


”We don’t know, and it can’t be explained...” apparently the good doctor is ignorant of the fact that in the a north of Italy, the epicenter of the outbreak, there are almost 400,000 Chinese nationals in factories making designer items at low wages, just so they can be marked “Made in Italy”, and that these workers travel frequently between Italy and China.

As for “Random nature”, yeah, my ass. Some of us know very well why this is occurring as it is in the U.S., and it can be explained quite easily.

The CCP is an evil entity bent on world domination at any cost. The U.S. stands in the way of those plans. We know that the CCP allowed almost half a million Chinese citizens to travel by air to the U.S. when it knew that a percentage of them were infected. We know that agents of the CCP appear to have seeded the virus in nursing homes and meat-packing plants, among other places. Seen the multitude of videos and instances of Chinese people touching and licking things in U.S. stores?

Doctor, with all due respect, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. The Chinese are complete scumbags, having unleashed a bioweapon on the world, and are hoping to be last man standing thanks to their large population. We are in a biowar at the moment, with hostilities begun by the CCP, and quite likely to progress to a kinetic war in the near future.
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the link is in NB post.
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doing exactly what it was designed to do
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hope all is well with everyone. Odd that no one posted for few days.
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Yes, very odd, is NB go to out of town?
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hope all is well with everyone. Odd that no one posted for few days.
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Good morning. Sorry, I was on a 2 week Distantly Social Distancing trip. Spent a week on the beach on Hilton Head Island, and the other time distantly with family in Virginia.

I would say that face-covering compliance is around 50% or so. South Carolina was easing up on restrictions. When I got there, outside dining was just opening up, with restrictions. Then inside dining opened up with many restrictions. I don't see how restaurants can make any money with 25% capacity. They count on filling every table.

With the state of technology, I actually had to deal with other people inside a building, 3 times. Masks were worn by all.

I was really careful. Really careful. It's tiring having to pay CONSTANT attention to where your hands are, what you have touched, which hand/fingers did you touch things with, washing, sanitizing, donning/doffing mask properly. I was very diligent because I new that traveling was risky. I don't see how we, as a society, will be able to be constantly safe for months. Laziness, lack of diligence, lack of awareness, etc will be a big problem soon enough.

Opening is a bad idea. As Osterholm said, we are only in the 2nd inning. Nothing has changed about this virus; the only thing changing is our behavior...and not for the better.

Prepare now, like you've never prepared before. You have a few weeks before it gets bad again.

There can be no good outcome.
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Yes, very odd, is NB go to out of town?
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Yes! Just got back last night. Washington DC to northern WI in 16 hours.

Home Sweet Home.

Time to continue preparations.
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Odd that no one posted for few days.
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Everyone is now taking the supplements recommended by the East Virginia Medical School protocol. Almost no one dies. No more worries!

[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]

Here are some reasonable online prices for the more unusual supplements.

Quercetin: [link to www.allstarhealth.com (secure)]

Zinc picolinate: [link to www.allstarhealth.com (secure)]

Melatonin (time released): [link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

Famotidine: [link to www.walmart.com (secure)]

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Odd that no one posted for few days.
 Quoting: miabelieves

Everyone is now taking the supplements recommended by the East Virginia Medical School protocol. Almost no one dies. No more worries!

[link to www.evms.edu (secure)]

Here are some reasonable online prices for the more unusual supplements.

Quercetin: [link to www.allstarhealth.com (secure)]

Zinc picolinate: [link to www.allstarhealth.com (secure)]

Melatonin (time released): [link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

Famotidine: [link to www.walmart.com (secure)]
 Quoting: BeSkeptical


Don't say stupid shit.

Show your work: "Almost no one dies." Just show me a link that corroborates your claim. A daily death chart that shows "almost no one" dying will suffice. Especially those taking the EVMS protocol. I'll wait.

The US is going to see over 100K deaths by the end of May. This prophylaxis/treatment regimen may help, but a LOT of people are going to still die.
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hope all is well with everyone. Odd that no one posted for few days.
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Good morning. Sorry, I was on a 2 week Distantly Social Distancing trip. Spent a week on the beach on Hilton Head Island, and the other time distantly with family in Virginia.

I would say that face-covering compliance is around 50% or so. South Carolina was easing up on restrictions. When I got there, outside dining was just opening up, with restrictions. Then inside dining opened up with many restrictions. I don't see how restaurants can make any money with 25% capacity. They count on filling every table.

With the state of technology, I actually had to deal with other people inside a building, 3 times. Masks were worn by all.

I was really careful. Really careful. It's tiring having to pay CONSTANT attention to where your hands are, what you have touched, which hand/fingers did you touch things with, washing, sanitizing, donning/doffing mask properly. I was very diligent because I new that traveling was risky. I don't see how we, as a society, will be able to be constantly safe for months. Laziness, lack of diligence, lack of awareness, etc will be a big problem soon enough.

Opening is a bad idea. As Osterholm said, we are only in the 2nd inning. Nothing has changed about this virus; the only thing changing is our behavior...and not for the better.

Prepare now, like you've never prepared before. You have a few weeks before it gets bad again.

There can be no good outcome.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Hello NB! Is good you had time with the family, even if social distancing.

I totally get you about how distressing is to have to be constantly aware of what one is doing, touching, minding the other people around. I have had to abandon my self isolation a couple of times and is exhausting. “Going back to normal” with the virus going around is impossible.

Most people seem convinced this is already gone. Unbelievable.
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