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CDC telcon at 1115 cst

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CDC telcon at 1115 cst

I'll try to dial in
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R THEY RUNNING ON A 28K MODEM?
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CDC Telcon bad notes:


Sec of State rep: talked about cruise ship travel alert. advised against cruise ship travel in Asia, Issued yesterday. Repatriation flights are NOT standard. Do not expect government to repatriate you, or get you out of a quarantine. Enroll your travel plans in State Dept travel.state.gov


Nancy Messenier: Changing tracking method. 2 tables. Repatriation numbers separate to allow a better picture of what's actually happening in the US, and repatriation efforts won't skew those numbers and provide a false picture of what's happing in US.


UGH. can't keep up at all with nancy.
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Non-Media: 888-795-0855
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WOW.

Nancy talked about other countries closing schools and businesses, and said we might get to that point here at some point. Very good, Nancy. Preparing the people.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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WOW.

Nancy talked about other countries closing schools and businesses, and said we might get to that point here at some point. Very good, Nancy. Preparing the people.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


BTW, this was part of her "statement" not the Q&A portion. The CDC is walking us to a new place. Baby steps. Prepare.


I hope this makes the news. People and businesses have time to get ready. NOW is the time for businesses to try to make a COP. (Well, that probably should have been done already, but hey, better late than never.)
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h/t sharon sanders at flutrackers for this transcript of the CDC telcon. great job. All emphasis added is my own.

[link to flutrackers.com (secure)]


teleconference notes:


Department of State and CDC reps participating.....

Reconsider cruise ship travel in Asia. US repatriation flights are not common. US citizens should consider possible quarantine procedures in Asia. All US travelers should register with state department when traveling abroad.

Change in reporting COVID-19

1) Returnees

2) Domestic cases

Domestic cases reflect more what is going on in US with COVID-19

13 domestic cases (I guess 2 from previous total of 15 were moved to the returnee category?) + 21 returnees in US.

Diamond Princess had 329 returnees to US. 18 have tested positive at CDC. Expect to see more cases among passengers. Trying to make their quarantine as easy as possible. Working with local hospitals to provide care to these returnees.

Humbolt county, California case is most recent confirmed domestic US case.

Never expected all travelers from China who are COVID-19 positive to be caught by airport screenings. Not seeing community spread in US YET, likely it will happen.

Tremendous public health threat. No vaccine and no specific drug. Getting ready for possible pandemic. Working with local health systems across country.

Trying to ensure health care workers on the front line have PPE.

See MMWR - Community Mitigation Guidelines for Pandemic

US may need to close schools and businesses to mitigate spread.

CDC guidances will change as more information is developed.

Steroids treatment? CDC clinical guidance is not recommending steroids at this time. Older people and those with underlying illnesses appear to have worse outcomes. (Something about not getting verified treatment info from China...)

Infections in returnees was pre-existing (emerging). Not developed in route.

Why more cases in Diamond Princess returnees expected? High risk situation on ship.

No lag time in testing at CDC.

Re-doing reagents in kits. Reworking test kits is part of emerging disease process.

More data coming out about the asymptomatic cases. Trying to understand situation. Possible many of those cases actually had mild symptoms.

Iran situation? Looking at official cases + rumors. Data is very new. Evaluating. Working with W.H.O. on this.

Broadening recommendation for screening? In process of setting up flu monitoring apparatus for this disease. Always re-evaluating case definitions. See CDC page for current definition.
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During telcon when Nancy was talking about schools and businesses closing she referenced Community Mitigation Guidelines to Prevent Pandemic Influenza — United States, 2017

Here's the link:

[link to www.cdc.gov (secure)]

It is written for influenza, but will be used for COVID19.

This is a public document, not subject to 50% rules.

Summary

When a novel influenza A virus with pandemic potential emerges, nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) often are the most readily available interventions to help slow transmission of the virus in communities, which is especially important before a pandemic vaccine becomes widely available. NPIs, also known as community mitigation measures, are actions that persons and communities can take to help slow the spread of respiratory virus infections, including seasonal and pandemic influenza viruses.

[snip]

NPIs can be phased in, or layered, on the basis of pandemic severity and local transmission patterns over time. Categories of NPIs include personal protective measures for everyday use (e.g., voluntary home isolation of ill persons, respiratory etiquette, and hand hygiene); personal protective measures reserved for influenza pandemics (e.g., voluntary home quarantine of exposed household members and use of face masks in community settings when ill); community measures aimed at increasing social distancing (e.g., school closures and dismissals, social distancing in workplaces, and postponing or cancelling mass gatherings); and environmental measures (e.g., routine cleaning of frequently touched surfaces).



Comment: This is a long document, and I can't say I recommend reading it, but, maybe give it a quick glance. I believe out future lies in this document. I hope I'm wrong.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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I do remember that. I changed my home treatment plan based on your post.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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I do remember that. I changed my home treatment plan based on your post.
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I’m not exactly sure what that is going to mean for asthmatics that contract CoVid...those that rely upon steroid inhalers...that includes my daughter. Very scary.
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I have been a strong proponent of preparedness for many, many years. I just want to advise people of one thing....

STFU about your preps. Period. If TSHTF, there WILL come a point where preppers become hoarders, and the government will come for your stuff...for the greater good. Not to mention desperate people, even close friends, do desperate things.

Just do your thing and hush about it.

Put yourself in a position to help people, but the people you choose, not who the gov't chooses.
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WOW.

Nancy talked about other countries closing schools and businesses, and said we might get to that point here at some point. Very good, Nancy. Preparing the people.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


BTW, this was part of her "statement" not the Q&A portion. The CDC is walking us to a new place. Baby steps. Prepare.


I hope this makes the news. People and businesses have time to get ready. NOW is the time for businesses to try to make a COP. (Well, that probably should have been done already, but hey, better late than never.)
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Do you have any link for her mentioning closing schools and businesses OP so that I can pass it on to friends that are saying it's not a big deal?

Thanks.

hf
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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I do remember that. I changed my home treatment plan based on your post.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


I’m not exactly sure what that is going to mean for asthmatics that contract CoVid...those that rely upon steroid inhalers...that includes my daughter. Very scary.
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Well, Nancy said that steroids worsen the elderly. So, there's that. (I think the study you posted said something like 40% were helped by steroids, presumably the young.)
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WOW.

Nancy talked about other countries closing schools and businesses, and said we might get to that point here at some point. Very good, Nancy. Preparing the people.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


BTW, this was part of her "statement" not the Q&A portion. The CDC is walking us to a new place. Baby steps. Prepare.


I hope this makes the news. People and businesses have time to get ready. NOW is the time for businesses to try to make a COP. (Well, that probably should have been done already, but hey, better late than never.)
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Do you have any link for her mentioning closing schools and businesses OP so that I can pass it on to friends that are saying it's not a big deal?

Thanks.

hf
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I'll post a link to the transcript when it gets posted on the CDC site.

Stand by for news.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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I do remember that. I changed my home treatment plan based on your post.
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I had missed this, so THANK Y'ALL for reiterating here.
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Advising AGAINST steriods for treatment so far.
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Yes, somewhere far back in the thread I had posted the link to the Lancet article where the research showed that corticosteroids only worsened the patient’s condition.
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I do remember that. I changed my home treatment plan based on your post.
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I had missed this, so THANK Y'ALL for reiterating here.
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There's so much information way back in this thread. I only wish I had bookmarked the stuff I think important.

Oh well.
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Iran

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...Iran confirmed 13 new coronavirus cases and two deaths among the group of new cases, Health Ministry spokesperson Kianush Jahanpur said in a tweet on Friday.

The new cases comprised seven people diagnosed in Qom, four in Tehran and two in Gilan, Jahanpur said in the tweet.

The total number of cases in Iran now stands at 18, with four of those people having died...


AND


Source: [link to www.payvand.com]

Jahanpour added that two people suspected of carrying the virus had been quarantined in the city of Babol, the northern province of Mazandaran, but the test results have not been announced yet.
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Health Alert: Increase of COVID-19 Cases in the Republic of Korea (ROK)


As of 5:00pm on February 21, the Korea Center for Disease Control has confirmed 204 positive cases of COVID-19 in the Republic of Korea, including one death. This is a substantial increase over the past 48 hours largely due to a cluster of cases identified in the city of Daegu, which is located 148 miles south east of Seoul. Authorities have confirmed that community-based transmission is occurring in Korea. The U.S. Embassy in Seoul continues to closely monitor developments related to COVID-19 in the ROK.

The Department of State also advises U.S. citizens to reconsider travel by cruise ship to or within East Asia and the Asia-Pacific Region. U.S. citizens planning to travel by cruise ship should be aware that, due to the current public health situation, many countries have implemented strict screening procedures in order to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19. This is a dynamic situation and U.S. citizens traveling by ship may be impacted by travel restrictions affecting their itineraries or ability to disembark, or may be subject to quarantine procedures implemented by the host country authorities.

Before you travel to the ROK, visit the Korea Immigration Service website for the latest information on ROK entry restrictions. The Korean government also posts daily updates on the response to COVID-19 at the website of the Ministry of Health and Welfare (in Korean only).

If you are currently in the Korea and believe that you may have symptoms of COVID-19, please call the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) treatment hotline at 1339 or 1345 (English) to be directed to an appropriate facility.
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WOW.

Nancy talked about other countries closing schools and businesses, and said we might get to that point here at some point. Very good, Nancy. Preparing the people.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


BTW, this was part of her "statement" not the Q&A portion. The CDC is walking us to a new place. Baby steps. Prepare.


I hope this makes the news. People and businesses have time to get ready. NOW is the time for businesses to try to make a COP. (Well, that probably should have been done already, but hey, better late than never.)
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Do you have any link for her mentioning closing schools and businesses OP so that I can pass it on to friends that are saying it's not a big deal?

Thanks.

hf
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I'll post a link to the transcript when it gets posted on the CDC site.

Stand by for news.

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Thanks OP

thanku
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Friday CDC Numbers. New Accounting Method.

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COVID-19: Confirmed Cases in the United States*

Travel-related 11
Person-to-person spread 2
Total confirmed cases 13
Total tested 413

*This table represents cases detected and tested in the United States through U.S. public health surveillance systems since January 21, 2020. It does not include people who returned to the U.S. via State Department-chartered flights.

and



COVID-19: Persons Repatriated to the United States and Tested by CDC

Wuhan, China- 3 positive

Diamond Princess- 18 positive


Total states with PUIs-43 (that's up 1 from Wednesday)



These numbers are as of 4pm EST last night.
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I have been a strong proponent of preparedness for many, many years. I just want to advise people of one thing....

STFU about your preps. Period. If TSHTF, there WILL come a point where preppers become hoarders, and the government will come for your stuff...for the greater good. Not to mention desperate people, even close friends, do desperate things.

Just do your thing and hush about it.

Put yourself in a position to help people, but the people you choose, not who the gov't chooses.
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I second that motion. Bragging about your preps flys directly in the face of OPSEC. At best, your friends and even strangers make you out to be crazy. At worst, everyone knows where to go in a SHTF situation. Keep calm, STFU, and stack it high and deep.
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I have been a strong proponent of preparedness for many, many years. I just want to advise people of one thing....

STFU about your preps. Period. If TSHTF, there WILL come a point where preppers become hoarders, and the government will come for your stuff...for the greater good. Not to mention desperate people, even close friends, do desperate things.

Just do your thing and hush about it.

Put yourself in a position to help people, but the people you choose, not who the gov't chooses.
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I second that motion. Bragging about your preps flys directly in the face of OPSEC. At best, your friends and even strangers make you out to be crazy. At worst, everyone knows where to go in a SHTF situation. Keep calm, STFU, and stack it high and deep.
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LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.
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11:50 pm Feb 21

The WHO-led team of international experts in China will travel to coronavirus epicenter city of Wuhan on Saturday and investigate the outbreak, WHO announced on Friday.

8:50 pm Feb 21

Wuhan, the epicenter of the novel coronavirus outbreak, plans to build another 19 makeshift hospitals to receive more infected patients, local authorities said Friday.

(because it's getting better in China)

7:36 pm Feb 21

Israel confirms first case of coronavirus, after one of the passengers on virus-hit cruise ship Diamond Princess returned to the country on Thursday:Jerusalem Post

5:52 pm Feb 21

A coronavirus patient from Chengdu who had been cured and discharged from hospital, was found nucleic-acid positive on the 10th day after returning home, the health commission in Sichuan Province said Fri.

12:40 pm Feb 21

All 18 confirmed #COVID19 cases in #Qinghai Province have been discharged from hospital as of Friday morning.
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I have been a strong proponent of preparedness for many, many years. I just want to advise people of one thing....

STFU about your preps. Period. If TSHTF, there WILL come a point where preppers become hoarders, and the government will come for your stuff...for the greater good. Not to mention desperate people, even close friends, do desperate things.

Just do your thing and hush about it.

Put yourself in a position to help people, but the people you choose, not who the gov't chooses.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


I second that motion. Bragging about your preps flys directly in the face of OPSEC. At best, your friends and even strangers make you out to be crazy. At worst, everyone knows where to go in a SHTF situation. Keep calm, STFU, and stack it high and deep.
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LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS.
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Yes, also make sure your kids understand the importance of keeping preps on the QT. They just love to brag. Example: My mom and dad have an entire room full of toilet paper. Please note, I don’t actually have a room full of toilet paper all you potential looters. What we do have though is an entire room full of LEGO that needs to be purged now that the kids don’t play with it anymore, but strangely still ends up on the floor where I step on it in the middle of the night. GD LEGO.

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Italy

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Italy: Media Reporting 10 More COVID-19 Cases

Overnight Tetano at FluTrackers posted a series of translated media reports on that country's 1st known locally acquired case of COVID-19, involving a resident of the Northern Lombardy region with no recent travel history.





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An outbreak of coronavirus in northern Italy worsened on Friday, with officials announcing 14 confirmed cases in the wealthy region of Lombardy, while two cases were reported in the adjacent region of Veneto.

Just hours after revealing that six people had come down with the virus in the first known cases of local transmission in Italy, officials said a further eight had tested positive for the disease, including five health workers.
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Japan 12 more confirmed. Local.
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Coronavirus: Ukraine protesters attack buses carrying China evacuees


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The steroids will help everyone who takes them as long as they keep taking them. It is the short bursts like the 5 day Z pack shit that will harm patients. Once the lungs get opened by the steroids and then close again when the steroids run out is when you get into trouble. Don't even bother with a short term steroid pack. You have to be over the virus before going off them. It comes back 3 times worse if you are not over the virus. If you can get your hands on a longer term supply then they will help you through the whole battle. If you do get yourself a Z pack don't take them as they say...5 4 3 2 1 or whatever the pack says. Take a smaller dose and string them out longer. The steroid shot they give out with the steroid packs is good for at least the first day or longer. Take 1 the night after the shot and then only take 2 a day the rest of the week.





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