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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78344784 United Kingdom 01/25/2020 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For whatever this is worth: Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith My neighbor is an internationally renown epidemiologist (no! I will NOT give his name), he has rarely been home for several days, and is too distracted to even wave when driving to his house. He's usually quite friendly, and has that funny-as-hell, sarcastic professor sense of humor. *nervousness intensifies* |
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User ID: 78212432 United States 01/25/2020 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from an epidemiology perspective australia has deep ties with chinese immigration right? id imagine australia will be a big factor in the spread of this virus out of china. Whats perth like with chinese immigration, i wonder if a lot of people have traveled too and from for chinese new year. answer ;) Thread: Chinese Virus update Aus: Coronavirus outbreak: Second patient at Gold Coast University Hospital tests positive all Chinese and other international flights have been screened beginning last week.... it means nothing as it has already snuck through... interesting? i trained diedre tame, our western australian pandemic expert, but haven't spoken in years.. i'll contact her and let you know... CP, what's your line of expertise in that you trained someone else on pandemics? The last thing Australia needs is another catastrophe (of a different nature, but still). In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined: With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world, And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor. Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator. “Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.” – Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78344784 United Kingdom 01/25/2020 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2019 nCov could have started as early as October, and no later than November. Quoting: Tangy What I've pondered is if there has already been human to human transmission through out the world, doctors wouldnt even think of testing for this. On top of that, currently you have to meet a criteria to even be tested. As far as I understand, only cdc is testing, and samples have to be shipped by mail to them for testing. I've wondered if it's already been here, seems possible. Even probable. But, the flu has also been a tough one, and most likely you are not dealing with 2019 nCov. I've been sick with bad colds 3 times since september, im sick right now with a cold, which is mild but ive had extreme fatigue, i normally get a cold perhaps once every 18 months - 2 years, and flu maybe once a decade. I've pondered if this is already doing the rounds since late last year. Not sure why it would seem so severve in china though, overworked malnourished population? a local mutation? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13358554 United States 01/25/2020 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We'll see in a few weeks. If you really are a microbiologist, you don't know jack shit about viruses. Never claimed to be a virologist or mycologist, viruses and funghi were not my scope my field was bacteriology, and i was a lab tech not a researcher i said as such. I gave my input because i know more than the layman and i was seeing a hell of a lot of crap on the forum here, id suspect if you are a practing biochemist you know a hell of a lot more than i do about viruses. I did study, haematology, biochemistry, immunology etc as part of my microbiology degree. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78275594 United States 01/25/2020 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jumping onboard to follow. Quoting: esoteric Morgan Just before and after Christmas, here in central Alabama, people in my family were experiencing what seems to have been the flu. While at a family gathering at my niece's on the 23rd, without any warning such as abdominal pain, I suddenly found myself with 'the runs', hardly making it to the restroom a number of times that afternoon. I didn't eat anything while there, so never attributed this problem with the gathering itself. Meanwhile, an elderly Aunt and Uncle living about 40 miles away cancelled Christmas with us DUE to a gastric illness similar to what I experienced. It took a few days to clear, though still not completely, which, until now, just seemed unusual to me. I have developed mild to moderately severe feelings of nausea at times, a bit of cramping in various places in my torso (currently near my kidneys, while last week in front near my spleen) along with very mild cold symptoms on and off ever since. I'm pretty much never ill, eat an almost 100% organic diet, live alone, and rarely go out...so whatever my immune system continues to battle has been a curious mystery. About a week after Christmas, my niece developed high fever and a massive kidney infection, while her two young children, whose cold symptoms have seemed to continue in an on and off fashion ever since the holidays ended, have both needed Urgent Care at separate points by mid January. One child was diagnosed within the past week with croup...of all things. One month has passed since the gathering, also attended by her brother and his family, who drove up from Naples, Florida. The three of them are currently sick with massive flu-like symptoms, his wife bed-ridden the last two days with high-fever, with my nephew having sought ER care yesterday for high fever and flu-like symptoms. ______ I'm only adding all of this because all these events within one family seems a bit more than odd. Most of us have shopped at big box stores during and after the holiday season. There's an increasing amount of foodstuffs from China on the shelves, while Orientals with masks on their faces roam the same aisles we have. All this said... is three ANY possibility that this virus has already been lurking among us for at least a month, with us getting infected slowly enough over time to somehow act upon our immune systems in a mild, yet recurring, fashion? I know I'm grasping at straws here, but it seems to me that there may be patterns at work here which might easily be overlooked, yet, significant. Just thought I'd add the strangeness my family continues to be experiencing, though miles apart, What's the chance this IS a virus that specifically targets immune systems, which then leaves it up to the body to figure out how to deal with it according to the health status of each individual as the vector seeks out places to hide or grow? Apologies for my babbling on so. JUST MY 2 CENTS in case it helps some one else. I understand and share your concerns E.M. this has been the WORST flu in my memory. you gave me the courage to post what my intuitions have been chiming in the last few days: 1.living here in alohaland where the media only reports the good news for fear of losing tourists, I can tell you many people are sick with 'the worst flu ever' and I got it a month ago from tourists I was working with directly for a couple days. hugs goodbye and all that- noticed they were coughing - last day they told me they'd not been feeling well with fever etc. 2. bedridden for a month worst cough, fluid in lungs, fever,sever body aches, sorethroat, occasional nausea, runs and SEVERE fatigue.I've lost a month of work and my life. again: I have not been able to function at all for several weeks. barely able to eat. doing every natural remedy I know. (wish I'd nebulized colloidal silver from the get go, but didn't have any and couldn't drive- that seems to be helping the most now that I have some. taking many vitamins but the other key component:vit c/d and sea salt nasal rinses daily.fyi in case it helps anyone) the 3rd week I experienced a neurological component: shaking nervous, depressed, disoriented. I've talked to 1 other flu recovering friend who brought those symptoms up to me. that's a first. haven't had the flu in years altho I have weak lungs and low immune system which I'm mindful of with eating healthy non/gmo organic etc. 3. so I've been reading up here thinking: it's possible this is a strain of what hit me like a ton of bricks a month ago, but why did I not have the more fatal symptoms (coughing up blood, organ failure) as I'm reading about in china?) for the last few days it's been resounding in my gut: "this is a biological weapon skewed for the chinese dna, the rest of the population will get a less extreme version if they breathe in this virus." 4.by coincidence, I was watching a tv show last night and the plot was about a virus developed in a lab that is skewed to dna of certain ethnic groups. I was FLOORED. I'm not scientific, so this was news to me. then your post: that's 3 witnesses to my intuition within 24 hours. prayers for the common folk of china and anyone going through this. many nights, coughing my lungs out, body aching from fever, I thought," well this is it, Lord, accept your child home, here I come." grateful for all the great health ideas on this forum. stay healthy, glp! food for thought. any feedback? do you think there's a genetic dna component to this virus? |
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User ID: 69917668 United States 01/25/2020 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2019 nCov could have started as early as October, and no later than November. Quoting: Tangy What I've pondered is if there has already been human to human transmission through out the world, doctors wouldnt even think of testing for this. On top of that, currently you have to meet a criteria to even be tested. As far as I understand, only cdc is testing, and samples have to be shipped by mail to them for testing. I've wondered if it's already been here, seems possible. Even probable. But, the flu has also been a tough one, and most likely you are not dealing with 2019 nCov. I've been sick with bad colds 3 times since september, im sick right now with a cold, which is mild but ive had extreme fatigue, i normally get a cold perhaps once every 18 months - 2 years, and flu maybe once a decade. I've pondered if this is already doing the rounds since late last year. Not sure why it would seem so severve in china though, overworked malnourished population? a local mutation? One thing about chinese that makes it possibly different than here, They SHARE meals from a single plate in many instances.. They will make beautiful plates of different types, typically have a soup bowl of their own, but will pick up items off a single plate with chopsticks, and even place items into someone else's soup bowl, like for the elderly. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78342129 United States 01/25/2020 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Granted im not a virologist and my virology is very very rusty. I need to clear some stuff up thats been bugging, me though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78344784 People keep stating that the fatality rate of this virus is for example 3.9% because 39/1000 cases have died, thats not how it works at all. 950+ of those cases still have to recover. If a virus infects 10 people and within a week 1 person dies, it doesnt mean the virus has a fatality rate of 10%, it just means currently 10% have died, the other 9 still have to fully recover. Here is a question for you, genius: Are you aware that this "Corona virus" is nothing more than a "head cold" or "the common cold"? Did you know that "Corona" is the Spanish word for "crown" or "head"? Here is a question for you, genius: Are you aware that this "Bacillus bacterium" is nothing more than what causes spilt milk which is all over your face, did you know that Bacillus is the latin for rod? which you've been sucking on? Hmmm, milk spills out of titties onto my face. Where you from? Did you all see that serpent lash out like that? Not very professional for a microbiologist, now is it. I think they are literally trying to call the "common cold" a "contagion outbreak". Gee I wonder why they would want to do that? |
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Deplorables assemble User ID: 71790446 United States 01/25/2020 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jumping onboard to follow. Quoting: esoteric Morgan Just before and after Christmas, here in central Alabama, people in my family were experiencing what seems to have been the flu. While at a family gathering at my niece's on the 23rd, without any warning such as abdominal pain, I suddenly found myself with 'the runs', hardly making it to the restroom a number of times that afternoon. I didn't eat anything while there, so never attributed this problem with the gathering itself. Meanwhile, an elderly Aunt and Uncle living about 40 miles away cancelled Christmas with us DUE to a gastric illness similar to what I experienced. It took a few days to clear, though still not completely, which, until now, just seemed unusual to me. I have developed mild to moderately severe feelings of nausea at times, a bit of cramping in various places in my torso (currently near my kidneys, while last week in front near my spleen) along with very mild cold symptoms on and off ever since. I'm pretty much never ill, eat an almost 100% organic diet, live alone, and rarely go out...so whatever my immune system continues to battle has been a curious mystery. About a week after Christmas, my niece developed high fever and a massive kidney infection, while her two young children, whose cold symptoms have seemed to continue in an on and off fashion ever since the holidays ended, have both needed Urgent Care at separate points by mid January. One child was diagnosed within the past week with croup...of all things. One month has passed since the gathering, also attended by her brother and his family, who drove up from Naples, Florida. The three of them are currently sick with massive flu-like symptoms, his wife bed-ridden the last two days with high-fever, with my nephew having sought ER care yesterday for high fever and flu-like symptoms. ______ I'm only adding all of this because all these events within one family seems a bit more than odd. Most of us have shopped at big box stores during and after the holiday season. There's an increasing amount of foodstuffs from China on the shelves, while Orientals with masks on their faces roam the same aisles we have. All this said... is three ANY possibility that this virus has already been lurking among us for at least a month, with us getting infected slowly enough over time to somehow act upon our immune systems in a mild, yet recurring, fashion? I know I'm grasping at straws here, but it seems to me that there may be patterns at work here which might easily be overlooked, yet, significant. Just thought I'd add the strangeness my family continues to be experiencing, though miles apart, What's the chance this IS a virus that specifically targets immune systems, which then leaves it up to the body to figure out how to deal with it according to the health status of each individual as the vector seeks out places to hide or grow? Apologies for my babbling on so. That is very interesting. I am experiencing something similar tonorthernory. Minus the family cases. I am not 100% yet but very similar. Us too we are central/ northern Alabama. 2019 nCov could have started as early as October, and no later than November. What I've pondered is if there has already been human to human transmission through out the world, doctors wouldnt even think of testing for this. On top of that, currently you have to meet a criteria to even be tested. As far as I understand, only cdc is testing, and samples have to be shipped by mail to them for testing. I've wondered if it's already been here, seems possible. Even probable. But, the flu has also been a tough one, and most likely you are not dealing with 2019 nCov. I think its some type of mild Nora virus like the cruise ships were hit with, it just gets spread back around through kids at school, grocery shopping, church. It only takes one person to bring it back into the group to cycle again weeks or months later. |
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Forum Administrator 01/25/2020 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For whatever this is worth: Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith My neighbor is an internationally renown epidemiologist (no! I will NOT give his name), he has rarely been home for several days, and is too distracted to even wave when driving to his house. He's usually quite friendly, and has that funny-as-hell, sarcastic professor sense of humor. Is he wearing a space suit around the hood? No, but he is not putting the top down on his Beamer. Does that count? Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77190242 United States 01/25/2020 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Granted im not a virologist and my virology is very very rusty. I need to clear some stuff up thats been bugging, me though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78344784 People keep stating that the fatality rate of this virus is for example 3.9% because 39/1000 cases have died, thats not how it works at all. 950+ of those cases still have to recover. If a virus infects 10 people and within a week 1 person dies, it doesnt mean the virus has a fatality rate of 10%, it just means currently 10% have died, the other 9 still have to fully recover. Do you think Hong Kong Phooey can save China and the planet? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77517484 United States 01/25/2020 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, so what's the bottom line here. Let's take some fairly close real world numbers. This virus has an R0 of 3.0, lower than some, higher than others. It's fatality is 10%, pretty high by some, low by others. Just how fucked are we? How long could this thing live on surfaces not exposed to the sun or UV rays? Could someone catch it by handling objects imported from china if some Chinese worker sneezed on a crate? How likely is this virus to be live and transmittable before a host shows any symptoms? Could this virus cause an evolution in humans that could perhaps, as many ancient alien scientists believe, give us Genie powers and maybe this virus is something we WANT to get? If women who get this virus and it does indeed cause a reduction in the size of their ass, would you be interested in promoting and selling it with me and becoming a trillionaire overnight? |
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Forum Administrator 01/25/2020 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For whatever this is worth: Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith My neighbor is an internationally renown epidemiologist (no! I will NOT give his name), he has rarely been home for several days, and is too distracted to even wave when driving to his house. He's usually quite friendly, and has that funny-as-hell, sarcastic professor sense of humor. Epidemiologists look at the "big" picture. What is his/her base degree in? Sorry, as a biochemist, I discount most others as wishful thinkers. I do throw props to physicists and geneticists. I don't know the answer to that. I do know he specializes in the study of major outbreaks of any type, including insanity & food poisoning (those seems strange to me, but my Masters is in Business, not a science). Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75733009 United States 01/25/2020 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted some decent links to help those interested understand how viruses work in another thread where they were buried. I thought someone here might be interested so here they are: cute ones: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] academic ones: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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Forum Administrator 01/25/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "What about the antivirals like Zovirax? I was given that a few years ago when I caught chicken pox (don't ask, please ), the case was very light, and gone in 4 days. Does this work on any virus, or just certain ones?" Last Edited by LJS on 01/25/2020 06:15 PM Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78342129 United States 01/25/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Granted im not a virologist and my virology is very very rusty. I need to clear some stuff up thats been bugging, me though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78344784 People keep stating that the fatality rate of this virus is for example 3.9% because 39/1000 cases have died, thats not how it works at all. 950+ of those cases still have to recover. If a virus infects 10 people and within a week 1 person dies, it doesnt mean the virus has a fatality rate of 10%, it just means currently 10% have died, the other 9 still have to fully recover. Do you think Hong Kong Phooey can save China and the planet? It's all a numbers game... |
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User ID: 69917668 United States 01/25/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For whatever this is worth: Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith My neighbor is an internationally renown epidemiologist (no! I will NOT give his name), he has rarely been home for several days, and is too distracted to even wave when driving to his house. He's usually quite friendly, and has that funny-as-hell, sarcastic professor sense of humor. Is he wearing a space suit around the hood? No, but he is not putting the top down on his Beamer. Does that count? This is so early, and a novel virus, I'm sure he has a lot to keep him super busy. Incidence and spread. At his level possibly in the planning to devise intervention strategies. Would love to hear any tidbits he may give you in the future. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77517484 United States 01/25/2020 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For whatever this is worth: Quoting: Lady Jayne Smith My neighbor is an internationally renown epidemiologist (no! I will NOT give his name), he has rarely been home for several days, and is too distracted to even wave when driving to his house. He's usually quite friendly, and has that funny-as-hell, sarcastic professor sense of humor. Is he wearing a space suit around the hood? No, but he is not putting the top down on his Beamer. Does that count? First of all, just to be a total douche, a BMW car is called a "Bimmer" not a beamer, that's the motorcycle. I know this because I read it somewhere and now I'm stuck with that douchey knowledge in my head. Now, does it count? Hard to say, but it might, depends on what Doc neighbor thinks. Does kinda sound like he's got more serious than normal though, top up with jibe with that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78344784 United Kingdom 01/25/2020 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you seem to have missed my question. Would you mind answering? Thank you. Ill be honest here, had to look this up quickly, coccobacilli implicated in Spondylodiscitis, Osteomyelitis and disease in ummunocompromised adults, never heard of this, interesting, probably one of those things like h.pylori thats slipped under the radar. It shouldnt be related no as one is a virus and what you mentioned is a bacteria, is there a co reaction/infection with corona viruses and this coccobacilli bacteria, i have no idea. I believe the only thing we have determined in this thead is that this wuhan corona virus is a novel/new virus that seems to have jumped from bats to people, and its having a sars like affect on people symptomatically, its viron structure probably facilitates adherance to alveoli of the lungs, which id guess causes localized immune responce and thus it hits peoples respiratory systems hard. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78344784 United Kingdom 01/25/2020 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing about chinese that makes it possibly different than here, They SHARE meals from a single plate in many instances.. They will make beautiful plates of different types, typically have a soup bowl of their own, but will pick up items off a single plate with chopsticks, and even place items into someone else's soup bowl, like for the elderly. Quoting: Tangy Ahh, different cultural practices, thats something to consider sure. Welp, that means when this gets to india, india is fucked too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76775164 United States 01/25/2020 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we dont have those over here, but back at you bro, how many licks does it take to play a guitar like stevie ray vaughn? You're quite knowledgeable with a good sense of humor & honesty about yourself, all the best to you, OP! Oh, about 25 fingertipped callous's worth...)) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78342129 United States 01/25/2020 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you seem to have missed my question. Would you mind answering? Thank you. Ill be honest here, had to look this up quickly, coccobacilli implicated in Spondylodiscitis, Osteomyelitis and disease in ummunocompromised adults, never heard of this, interesting, probably one of those things like h.pylori thats slipped under the radar. It shouldnt be related no as one is a virus and what you mentioned is a bacteria, is there a co reaction/infection with corona viruses and this coccobacilli bacteria, i have no idea. I believe the only thing we have determined in this thead is that this wuhan corona virus is a novel/new virus that seems to have jumped from bats to people, and its having a sars like affect on people symptomatically, its viron structure probably facilitates adherance to alveoli of the lungs, which id guess causes localized immune responce and thus it hits peoples respiratory systems hard. I think you are afraid someone found the cure for the common cold... ...and you have a serious problem with that. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78344784 United Kingdom 01/25/2020 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you all see that serpent lash out like that? Not very professional for a microbiologist, now is it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78342129 I think they are literally trying to call the "common cold" a "contagion outbreak". Gee I wonder why they would want to do that? I detected sarcasm and responded in kind, was it warranted, probably, not, was i a bit of a dick, yeah i guess, did i offend you, perhaps, i apologise. I'm a little annoyed that some trolls are even disputing the fact i was clearly a microbiologist tech for years. Hopefully some people with education in a relevant field come along, but i was getting frustrated with the bad information in other threads so i made this one. I will restate the fact i am not an expert, do not take my opinion as gospel, people should research their own sources and i am not a virologist, an immunologist, a doctor, a post graduate in microbiology and was nothing more than a lab tech. That being said, we dont know how bad this is, potentially it could be bad, i hope it isnt, but i dont trust the chinese authorities on this so far, their crackdown is probably a good thing, but have they acted too late and in a heavy handed manner in the wrong direction when they should perhaps close the damned airports for a week instead if its as serious as they are acting. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75682040 United States 01/25/2020 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi, I'd like you to read this and tell me what your gut feeling is on it. Does this guy seem to be legit? Does what he is saying seem to be legit? Thank you in advance! [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] |