I am an experienced helicopter pilot in SoCal familiar with crash area. Ask me anything.

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Bryant often took a helicopter ride from home to home basketball games.

How much money was Bryant paying for the service.

For business and pleasure, how much money do you think Bryant spent on helicopter rides?

I'm thinking he may have goten them free or steeply discounted for promotional consideration. What do you think?

Another thing.

How much does it cost per hour to fly a Sikorsky like that?

Thanks for being generous with your time!

It's purely conjecture on my part but I think the deceased were crushed, smashed, and burned beyond recognition.

I could be wrong tho.

The grandmother of one of the girls said something that made no sense. Normally they drive to practice but this time "they had to take the helicopter for convenience."

Since no one has to do anything for convenience, my only guess is that maybe she meant they had too many people to fit in a limo. ?

What is the most important flight control on a helicopter?

Your explanation does not appear consider the eyewitness account that the helicopter was sputtering and falling before the crash. This clearly suggests mechanical failure.

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Eyewitness Jerry Kocharian, 62, said he was standing outside the Church in the Canyon drinking coffee when he heard a helicopter that was flying unusually low and seeming to struggle.

“It wasn’t sounding right,” he said, “and it was real low. I saw it falling and spluttering. But it was hard to make out as it was so foggy.”

The unusual sound he was hearing might be the machine changing from a cruise flight configuration he is accustomed to hearing to one in order to reduce forward speed which makes an entirely different one.

Jet engines dont sputter,,,,they either are annoyingly loud or make no sound at all......

I'm basing my guess on the gross weight of the helicopter + the speed on impact. The kinetic energy must've topped the charts.

I'm sure there is a formula to figure out how much force was exerted on each body upon impact. I'm just too ignorant to know what that formula is.

Whatever the impact left behind, the burning jet fuel finished.

I am wondering if what he actually heard was a the sound it makes when the Angle of attack of the rotor is too high, a total rotor stall. I've heard it once. and it sounds like a hissing and popping sound (i guess you could call it sputtering, but it's a super fast sputter in that case)

The helicopter clearly sounded abnormal immediately prior to the crash. The audio recording supports the eyewitness account:

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A second recording of the crash can be heard here:
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I’m not hearing anything abnormal sounding

Have lots of helicopter fly over my house and coast guard helicopters train on the lake, maybe I’m missing it.....

The second audio captures a turn by the helicopter, you can hear a deepening of the rotor sounds as it banks, which is perfectly normal and consistent with the flight path it took.

The first audio is closer to the crash site and you can hear the helicopter impact at the end of the video.

I know the sound well, I have been less than 25 yards from a helicopter crash, the sound of sudden blade stoppage is something you always remember.

I can hear the crash in the first one, I’m just not hearing anything abnormal

Do you hear the blades stop before the crash?

Do you hear any sputters or indication that something is wrong?

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How many big dumb basketball players does it take to cover a hillside?

looks like its just not a good idea to go for a 175 mph chopper ride in the fog..
I even hate driving my car in a little bit of fog 15 mph.
The pilot should have cancelled the flight,,now we all got to watch this Cobe junk on tv for two weeks now

Everything I see leads me to this conclusion. Just saw the transgender Alicia Keys making the 666 hand sign at the Grammys, something Kobe apparently did frequently. These people follow a secret religion, some say it's just Satanism but it might be more complicated than that, worshipping the old gods of the ME & North Africa. That religion requires human sacrifice.

Kobe's crash was just after the New Moon (moon phases are frequently considered for their sacrifices) and on the day of the Grammys held in the place he "worked". This also happened a week before the Feb 1/Feb 2 pagan holiday sometimes called Imbolc (although I'm sure it has other names). It's one of their holidays of the year along with May Day, Beltane in August, Halloween and Yule - there are 4 other more minor holidays in addition sprinkled between those.

Why would Kobe (and the girls) be sacrificed? Could be many reasons but if you believe in this stuff, which I think many of them do, maybe this is for the impeachment of Trump. We've seen how a lot of the Left practices witchcraft and a lot of them do OPENLY. I'm sure several reasons converge in Kobe's death but that's a big one they all want.

Sacrificing the 3 virgins at Las Virgenes (The Virgins) and Kobe would have been more difficult in (probably) more than 1 car.

Just to be clear for folks - this is from the tweet of Veronica Miracle in The Daily Beast. If you listen to that recording, you can CLEARLY hear the copter going low over the complex and then as it moves away....the rotors STOP and then we hear the distant explosion of the crash. The stop of the blades is quite clear.

That would indicate this was NOT a crash because of weather conditions but that the engine stopped for some reason.

Again, I believe these people were deliberately killed.

Is is safer to drive to local basketball practices with everyday people than it is to use your millions to save a few minutes and fly a helicopter to get there in the sky?

I heard nothing on the first audio that indicated anything but the sound of a helicopter crashing into the ground hard enough to cause a sudden stoppage of the rotors and the engines.

At the crash I experienced, only the rotors stopped when the helicopter rolled over, the engines free of the torque of the rotors and uncontrolled by the pilot's inputs started to speed up incredibly fast.

That sound of runaway engines is NOT in the audio, in this crash the engines stopped as suddenly as the Rotors.

I can hear that even without my hearing aids.

You're not covering for the pilot. You're perhaps covering for the illuminati. Like, why do you care to be here anyways? Because the flight path, circling, initial passengers, saying he flew into a mountain when he was already way above the tiny hills, discussing radar data that hasn't been revealed, underage girls who said what was going on to their parents...who are now dead too, all suggests a classic ritual sac. on the grammies big day. It was the the safest heli that's popular in america. [link to www.latimes.com (secure)] When is the best time in the year to kill a sport star? Don't worry since I'm a sports nut I am gonna watch the super bowl and forget real quick who this outsider kobe, perhaps the only athlete with an oscar, was...

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I posted above that there is an indentation in the hill where the helicopter made first impact, which makes sense when you hear the videos posted, IMO


The helicopter was in one piece when it hit the mountainside, Homendy said, adding that the pilot "was trying to climb out of the cloud layer at the time."

After hitting part of the hillside, the helicopter plunged into a steep descent with a rate of "over 2,000 feet per minute," making it a "high-energy impact crash."

When it hit the hillside, the helicopter left an impact crater and scattered debris, sparking a fire and killing everyone on board.

It occurs to me that the considering that the blades STOPPED, which we can hear in the Ring recording in The Daily Beast, that perhaps the engine was stopped REMOTELY once it reached the intended sacrifice point, Las Virgenes (The Virgins), in honor of the 3 young girls aboard.

the pilot was told 2500 he stayed at 1400 1500

An engine stop won't affect a heli one bit. It will automatically disengage the engine from the blades with one-way gear, and tilt the blades so they go at a negative angle to ensure there's lift. (Even though the angle is negative, it is spinning fast, giving the effective slowing area of a parachute, and even larger if there's any forward speed.) That's why they are so safe. Landing with zero engine power is how autorotation works. For the landing to be soft you use a combination of angular momentum of the blades and ground speed while lifting up at the last moment causing a soft landing even with zero engine power. But, that doesn't mean the heli wasn't shot down or otherwise sabotaged. Of all the places in the flight path where it could have killed the least people, where it "landed" was actually perfect.

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Yeah, sure. That's why we hear the CRASH sound right after the engine stops.

I agree. Plus why not just land? Video shows the helicopter, so if you can see it, the pilot could see land?
Also, how does a rental helicopter not have a black box or recording device for commercial use? Very strange.
Also, the comic showing Kobe in a helicopter wreck speaks volumes!
Way too much of this dont add up at all.
Plus Kobe was involved with the illuminati and shows the hand signs and his logo is the goat head, Mamaba which is a snake etc.....waaaaay too much goin on with this....it was a sacrifice and i feel for the families who were not involved with PTB.

I’d say that would vary from pilot to pilot. I try to give a thorough briefing detailing the plan of action before we depart and see if there any reservations about it. The FAA gives the pilot-in-command sole authority and responsibility for the operation of the flight. Some pilots take that to mean that they can’t be questioned, although that attitude is fading with successive retirement classes. Helicopters, are viewed differently than the airlines, and for good reason. We really haven’t done a good enough job at safety. On an airliner, the captain and first officer are barricaded behind a double locked bulkhead. You’d never dream about questioning them about the weather in Cleveland. You just accept that they’re professional enough to get you there safely. Helicopters haven’t earned that trust. Until our hiring, business and training practices model the airlines, I believe the passengers should speak out when uneasy. I brief my passengers to speak up if they see something they think may be a hazard to us. Don’t assume that I, or the crew, see it. I guess that would go for hazardous attitudes too.

I believe in the last moments, the pilot was attempting to climb above the cloud layer, or at least above the terrain. I don’t know where the cloud tops were that day, but they’re never much above 3,000 - 4,000 ft unless there’s frontal activity.

It was probably pretty close to the end when he would have realized it was hopeless. The Attitude indicator had likely tumbled, or was showing all brown (the ground), they were in a high speed dive and they knew they had been close to the ground.

The G forces in those maneuvers were not that excessive. Bank angles up to 60 degrees only produce 2 G’s. From there it increases very quickly. The dive or a nose pushover produces a negative G, or a temporary feeling of weightlessness. So I would guess they experienced -.5 to 2Gs over the course of the excursion in the clouds.

Look at the photos posted and the condition that the METAL components of the aircraft were in.