WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

DR...

Can you comment on this? FB friends are cheering on the success... and all I can think of is sure, works for now... and then what happens when everyone begins to venture out again and as people continue to travel to and from California?

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Did I ever said that lock-downs will NEVER be lifted?

Are you an idiot?

It was a rhetorical question, don't bother.


And it will most likely coincide with the numbers on the model, not tens of millions, but hundreds of millions world-wide, sometimes in early March, when lock-downs started.

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OP if you could, on your Sunday update, please give a heads up on the hydroxychloroquine and Zitro treatment that is beginning to take traction here in the States. I have a personal involvement, an associate that was in ICU gasping for breath, age 55 with the virus that got on those meds and is now at home doing fine. I do understand that even if the meds work for some they will not work for everyone and regardless the economy is now shit, food shortage soon and its going to take a lot to get back. If they did try these meds in Italy and Spain, why is it working in the States? And it was a fast recovery for her too, just 5 days.

Nothing but propaganda, damage control and postponing the panic.


This is what "2 weeks" of whatever (peak, flatten, bla-bla) actually mean.


No, Cali won't lift shit in 2 weeks.


Maybe they will lift the shit from SF streets for a change.


But not the lock-down.

I have already answered.


Works, but in very few cases. Look at it as a targeted treatment to save some lives.

Sadly, it can only be used on maybe 2-3% of the critical cases, which is less then 1% of the total cases.


It's not a treatment for the disease, just a targeted treatment for a small fraction of an already small fraction on the cases.


Look at this like...a treatment for cancer, that works only on the worst and rarest cancer cases.


Doesn't work on a large scale. It is known for 3 months already that it is an option, for SOME cases, but virtually less then 1% of the total.

Statically wise, everyone is missing the white elephant in the room, how many people in how many countries were given the influenza Jab, a live strain of a cornovirus this winter, the convid 19 on its own is middle kick up the backside, but if you had the Jab as well which many people did, healthy people, medical staff, the old, those with medical issues, government staff,military, they were this winter giving the jabs out like candy, then a body technically dealing with two strains of a coronavirus could be the killer.

OP,

I look forward to reading your report on Sunday. Can you speculate...do you think the relaxation of lockdowns will be far in the future (months?), and do you foresee us making it that far...or is societal collapse/riots/etc almost a certainty at this point, based on the current trajectory we are on?

Basically--will your Sunday report offer any hope, or are we still pretty much screwed

maybe - but.....

What about the waves to come? The precautionary principle? The more mutations? The vulnerability of the recovered? The absence of herd immunity? and the list goes on! Don't hold your breath.

Thanks.

I don't know, really.


On the top of my head, as of this moment, the numbers point to a paradox : the lock-downs apparently started at the worst moment in time, too late to stop the epidemic but to early to avoid the economic collapse.


However, I need more data, that might change the outcome.


Too many unknowns, that need more time, and more numbers, to become at least partially known.


So, please, wait until Sunday.

OP,

Does this mean the Mad Max scenario is cancelled?

OR

Are you saying your next model will be applicable after Mad Max?

Thanks!

When was the last WHO presser?

Guys, don't take this the wrong way but some of you cannot seem to figure out 2+2. Put your critical thinking cap on ffs. Opie has laid this all out and has been doing so since January. The answers to all your questions are not in this thread. Nor is the future exactly laid out. Is Opie 100% spot on? imo, no... but he's been racking up a pretty good track record for months now. Read the dam thread. All 160+ pages, then dyor.

Take just one industry for example. Restaurants. There is a tremendous ripple effect that goes throughout the supporting economy once Restaurants go offline. For starters, the surrounding local Farmers have all lost a primary client.

The companies who install, upgrade, provide maintenance and support for the point of sale systems are all going onto unemployment. The card processors who handle the financial transactions for Visa, MasterCard, etc. are going to see a HUGE drop in financial activity. Employees of the point of sale providers depend on the financial transaction residuals to pay their bills. That's all gone now.

Then there's the cooks, the waiters and waitresses, etc. Many of these restaurants ARE NEVER COMING BACK. So... don't get all giddy about Opie attempting to estimate when lockdowns might be eased up. Of course it will happen at some point, but it's too dam late. The paradox is real. The destroyed world economy is baked in. Plan accordingly and God Speed to all of us.

Drugs have an best a marginal outcome so far in Louisiana as doctors are using them in lake Charles and New Orleans.

So far it has been a dud and some doctors stopped prescribing. Likely many would have healed on their own.

And until we see the science and proof anyone has come back from certain death it will be taken with a grain of salt like every other anecdotal report since January from plasma, vitamin c, and antivirals. All have had as good of success as trumps cure, but the numbers in terms of percentages hasn't changed one bit, and the completed cases continue to get worse instead of better. Doctors will try anything for any patient they see if one drug isnt working. They wont quit because on doesnt work.


And the truth us most medicine is complete bunk science and the immune system is your machine that should and must do the blunt work to win, not some drug. What about these people gives you any confidence they wont be right back here again in two months if their immune system didnt fight like hell to win?

If I ever catch this disease I'll win or lose based on my health and immune response. If they can find a way to calm my immune response do a cytokine storm doesnt develop that is totally different than a drug doing the blunt work for me.

If I die I die, but I will fight the battle and if I win I will be more confident of my future as the virus moves again until herd immunity is established. Malaria drugs will not provide that in any way. May delay your fight but the fight wont be over. And if they are infected again will their immune system even be able to do shit seeing as you relied on a drug?


No one stops to think of any of these things. They panic and want some quick fix. There isnt one.

Testing.

We all know we are not testing adequately in America. I have a business call with response teams in many US regions. We have people that are showing signs/symptoms of the COVID-19 and are not being testing. They are told to isolate/quarantine for 14 days. Puts a lot of businesses in peril with trying to keep the employees on if we know they have symptoms and most likely the disease but they aren't being tested. These people could have something else...but now we are going to stop working them for 14 days. (I heard of 5 regions with people doing this today and one of my direct employees has a relative that was told this exact thing....negative flu, negative strep, most likely have it but no testing, if you get worse call or go to ER).

There are not reliable numbers for modeling. There are a lot more that have it and aren't getting testing.....

America is a joke. Why can't we test everyone like in S.Korea or Germany?

testing is a snapshot in time, a second. you can have it an hour later

forced testing is for dictatorships

There is an info that surprised me yesterday night, as the Southern Paris airport, Orly (France), has closed its doors yesterday night (Roissy at the North is still opened). It seemed quite 'mundane' but it is not at all for a '12 millions passengers a year' airport.

The whole personnel of Orly will be temporarily unemployed for...3 MONTHS!

That means APRIL, MAY and JUNE!

To me, this says much on the unsaid programmed restrictions to come.

There is a huge chance that governments will simply make euthanasia a medical routine, and let people die.

In Brazil there is already a strong movement in this direction, defended on national TV by the president himself and his defenders of the extreme right (modern Nazis).

I used to have an opinion quite opposite to that, now I'm not so sure anymore. The alternative looks even worse.

You're trying too hard, Comrade.