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Northlights
 User ID: 79091473  Norway08/04/2020 07:56 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have seen the data from India, always thinking they were barely capturing barely a glimpse of the total number of infections with the scarce testing they are doing. I also think they are barely reporting a fraction of their deaths. Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe A confirmation of sorts of at least the first part of my thoughts about India, can be seen in a report they have published recently. It is based on antigen tests, and the sample is rather small (specially thinking in the large popularion of India). Nevertheless, the results have some striking surprises, as the rate of infection in the slums reaches almost 58% and in non slums, almost a 16%. Here is the report if anyone is interested. [link to www.tifr.res.in (secure)] India... What is really interesting about India, is that there is a perfect synchronicity between the number of tests and the number of positive cases. I haven't seen any other country having the same synchronicity. Looking at their evolution in cases, India is the perfect example of more testing = more cases. They have a constant positivity rate, a constant increase in tests and a constant increase in cases...and these rates are virtually equal. This was to be expected, since India is clearly swimming in covid, and they barely test, so with every increase in testing, they will find exactly the same increase in cases. India is barely at 15,000 tests per million, today, and they will have the same increase in cases until they reach at least 50,000 tests per million, when we should see a plateau or a decrease in their cases. There is no wonder that with a very limited antibody test study, they will find such high positivity rates in slums and outside. There is no way that they have 58% infection rate in the slums. It is high, but 58%...not possible. Same for outside the slums, 16% is too high. Realistically speaking, India can't have more then 15% infection rate in the slums and more then 5% outside. We would have found out, because there would millions of bodies in the streets. We're talking about a country of more then 1.3 billion people. An infection rate of just 5% in their population would mean that 65 million people in India would have contracted the virus, and even if only 2% of them would die, that would be 1.3 million dead in the last 6 months. But they would also had around 10% of those infected hospitalized, which is 6.5 million people. The world would have found out. Can't hide millions of dead and millions of hospitalized, in a 6 month period, even in a country of 1.3 billion. India it's not China, or NK. We would have know. It is absolutely certain that they only detect a fraction of their cases, and a fraction of their deaths. But there is simply no way that India have an infection rate of more then 3%, at this moment. They stopped the spread of the virus by stopping the travel between cities and countryside, and they did it very early. They also locked-down hard large swaths of their country, and they did it early. India is just at the beginning, and it will get much worse. And when it will, we will find out. In India, homeopathy is very widespread. The authorities distributed certain homeopathic drops to the population. I heard that from a scandinavian homeopath who was there for the winter . |
| deplorable recollector
(OP) User ID: 73110508  United Kingdom08/04/2020 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @Northlights I don't think homeopathy plays any significant role in this pandemic. Sure, it matters for the general health, and it might influence the hospitalizations and deaths, but it would be quite limited, actually, very limited in the outcome. Lock-downs and travel restriction applied in India, in the early stages of the pandemic (and couple times after) had a much more significant impact. But I agree, homeopathy could lead to a 2-3% decrease in the numbers, but not more then that. Last Edited by Recollector on 08/04/2020 08:07 AM |
| Qoheleth
User ID: 78574594  United States08/04/2020 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.abruzzoweb.it (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76541774 Antibodies found (statistically) in 1.4 million of Italians. 2.5% of the population I really hope this number is a mistake or a massive error. If this number is REAL, the virus will never be eradicated, and we will (ATTEMPT TO) live in a permanent cycle of lock-downs and openings. Obviously, such a future is unsustainable. Forgive me if this is stupid question, but why would 2.5% of Italians being found to have antibodies mean *for certain* the virus would never be eradicated? I'm not following the logic chain totally ... 2.5% is far less than min required for "herd immunity" and could also be comprised of those with the weakest immune systems (if caught it first, also may lose antibodies fastest). I grant that 2.5% is some fraction less than the % of cumulatively infected population. But is there a "critical ratio" below which the eternal circulation/re-circulation of the virus happens because people lose antibodies faster than new virus infections can be contained? Do you think this 2.5% number (if true) would mean that the ratio (people with antibodies today):(people who have had the virus ever) is *lower* than the critical threshold I'm alluding to, ensuring it never goes away? You may well be right, and have been spot-on on this thread. However, even if it is true that today's virus (R, M) cannot be eradicated, does it really mean that next year's virus will have the same properties (R,M) and so on as it evolves, and furthermore that society would need to live in a permanent state of lock-down to deal with it? I agree with your assessment a few weeks ago that the virus is becoming both MORE contagious but likely LESS deadly, and if that trend continues, seems to me that in 1-3 years the virus could mutate to a point where it could be tolerated (not as a new "flu" per se, just a new disease in general). If less virulent, even though no vaccine exists, and some improvement in treatments, along with change in mindset ... maybe that is how this exogenous event finally reaches steady state. Would the world change? Of course, as you say - that's virtually certain already - a fait de complis. But is there hope for a new steady state, where people's homes are not just prisons? I hope so .... Maybe all coronaviruses actually started this way. Who knows. |
| Moscow User ID: 78276692  Russia08/04/2020 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder why we do not converge the data in the United States... 04.08.2020 USA: cases – 4,842,530 (+48,16), deaths-158,684 (+564). Brazil: cases – 2.751.665 (+17.988), deaths – 94.702 (+572). India: cases – 1.855.331 (+50.629), deaths – 38.971 (+810). Russia: cases – 856.264 (+5.394), deaths – 14.207 (+79). South Africa: cases – 516.862 (+5.377), deaths – 8.539 (+173). Mexico: sick – 439.046 (+4.853), deceased – 47.746 (+274). Peru: cases – 433.100 (+4.250), deaths – 19.811 (+197). Chile: cases – 361.493 (+1.762), deaths – 9.707 (+99). Spain: cases – 344.134 (+8.532), deaths – 28.472 (+27). Colombia: cases – 327.850 (+10.199), deaths-11.017 (+367). ################################################### Iran: sick – 312.035 (+2.598), dead – 17.405 (+215). United Kingdom: cases – 305.623 (+928), deaths – 46.210 (+9). Saudi Arabia: cases – 280.093 (+1.258), deaths – 2.949 (+32). Pakistan: sick – 280.029 (+331), dead – 5.984 (+8). Italy: cases – 248.229 (+159), deaths – 35.166 (+12). Bangladesh: cases – 242.102 (+1.356), deaths – 3.184 (+30). Turkey: cases – 233.851 (+995), deaths – 5.747 (+19). Germany: sick – 212.320 (+858), dead – 9.232 (+6). Argentina: cases – 206.743 (+4.824), deaths – 3.813 (+165). France: cases – 191.295 (+3.376), deaths – 30.294 (+29). Iraq: 131.886 cases (+2.735) and 4.934 deaths (+66). Canada: cases – 117.031 (+147), deaths – 8.947 (+2). Indonesia: cases – 113.134 (+1.679), deaths – 5.302 (+66). Qatar: 111.322 cases (+215), 177 deaths. Philippines: sick-106.330 (+3.226), dead – 2.104 (+45). Egypt: sick-94.640 (+157), dead – 4,888 (+23). Kazakhstan: sick – 92.662 (+1.069), dead – 793. Ecuador: cases – 87.041 (+809), deaths – 5.767 (+31). Mainland China: cases – 84.428 (+43), deaths – 4.634. Sweden: sick – 81.012 (+590), dead – 5.744 (+1). Bolivia: cases – 80.153 (+1.360), deaths – 3.153 (+89). Oman: 79,159 cases and 421 deaths. Israel: sick – 74.430 (+1.615), dead – 546 (+10). Ukraine: cases – 73.158 (+990), deaths – 1.738 (+13). Dominican Republic: cases – 73.117 (+874), deaths – 1.183 (+5). Belgium: 69.849 cases (+447), 9.845 deaths. Panama: cases – 68.456 (+1.003), deaths – 1.497 (+26). Kuwait: 68,299 cases (+388) and 461 deaths (+4). Belarus: 68.166 cases (+99), 571 deaths (+4). UAE: 61.163 cases (+164), 351 deaths. Netherlands: 55.470 cases (+372) and 6.149 deaths. Romania: cases – 54.009 (+823), deaths – 2.432 (+19). Singapore: 53.051 cases (+226), 27 deaths. Portugal: 51.569 cases (+106), 1.738 deaths. Guatemala: cases – 51.542 (+236), deaths – 2.013 (+18). Poland: 47.469 cases (+575) and 1.732 deaths (+1). Nigeria: 44.129 cases (+288) and 896 deaths (+8). Honduras: 43.197 cases (+512) and 1.377 deaths (+9). Bahrain: 41,835 cases (+299) and 150 deaths (+3). Armenia: 39.102 cases (+52), 762 deaths (+8). ################################################### Japan: cases – 38.687 (+1.998), deaths – 1.012 (+1). Ghana: 37.812 cases (+798) and 191 deaths (+9). Kyrgyzstan: 37.129 cases (+410), 1.420 deaths (+11). Afghanistan: 36.747 cases (+37) and 1.288 deaths (+4). Switzerland: 35.616 cases (+66) and 1.981 deaths. Azerbaijan: 32.684 cases (+241), 468 deaths (+6). Algeria: cases – 31,972 (+507), deaths – 1,239 (+8). Serbia: 26.451 cases (+258), 598 deaths (+8). Ireland: 26.208 cases (+46), 1.763 deaths. Morocco: cases – 26,196 (+659), deaths – 401 (+19). Uzbekistan: 26.066 cases (+730), 157 deaths (+6). Moldova: 25.482 cases (+120), 800 deaths (+9). Kenya: cases – 22.597 (+544), deaths – 382 (+13). Austria: 21.385 cases (+81), 718 deaths. Venezuela: 20.754 cases (+548), 180 deaths (+6). Nepal: 20.750 cases (+418), 57 deaths. Costa Rica: 19,402 cases (+427), 171 deaths (+9). Ethiopia: 19.289 cases (+583) and 336 deaths (+26). Puerto Rico: 18,791 cases (+380), 230 deaths. Australia: 18,318 cases (+395) and 221 deaths (+13). El Salvador: 17,843 cases (+395), 477 deaths (+10). Cameroon: 17,255 cases and 391 deaths. Czech Republic: 17.008 cases (+208), 386 deaths (+2). Cat-d'Ivorian: 16.220 cases (+38), 102 deaths. South Korea: 14.389 cases (+23), 301 deaths. Denmark: 13.996 cases (+207), 616 deaths (+1). Palestine: 12.541 cases (+244), 84 deaths. Bosnia and Herzegovina: 12.462 cases (+166), 362 deaths (+10). Bulgaria: 12.159 cases (+204), 404 deaths (+16). Sudan: 11,738 cases and 752 deaths. Madagascar: 11.660 cases (+132) and 118 deaths (+4). North Macedonia: 11.128 cases (+74), 500 deaths (+3). Senegal: 10,386 cases (+42) and 211 deaths (+2). Norway: 9.334 cases (+66) and 256 deaths (+1). DR Congo: 9.133 cases (+18), 215 deaths. Kosovo: 9,049 cases (+250) and 256 deaths (+7). Malaysia: sick – 9.001 (+2), dead – 125. French Guyana: 7.948 cases (+91), 44 deaths (+1). Gabon: 7.646 cases (+115) and 51 deaths (+1). Tajikistan: 7.538 cases (+43), 61 deaths. Haiti: 7.476 cases (+8), 165 deaths. Finland: 7.466 cases (+13), 329 deaths. Guinea: 7.364 cases (+47), 46 deaths. Luxembourg: 6,864 cases (+9) and 118 deaths (+1). Zambia: 6.580 cases (+233) and 171 deaths (+1). Mauritania: 6.382 cases (+59) and 157 deaths. Paraguay: 5.724 cases (+80), 55 deaths (+3). Albania: 5.620 cases (+101), 172 deaths (+6). Croatia: 5.294 cases (+34), 153 deaths (+4). Djibouti: 5.240 cases (+79), 59 deaths. Lebanon: 5.062 cases (+177), 65 deaths (+3). Equatorial Guinea: 4,821 cases and 83 deaths. Greece: 4.737 cases (+75) and 209 deaths (+1). CAR: 4.614 cases, 59 deaths. Hungary: 4.544 cases (+9), 597 deaths. Maldives: 4.293 cases (+129), 18 deaths. Malawi: 4.272 cases (+41), 123 deaths. Zimbabwe: 4.075 cases (+154), 80 deaths (+10). Libya: 4.063 cases (+226), 93 deaths (+10). Nicaragua: 3,672 cases and 116 deaths. Hong Kong: sick-3.592 (+80), dead-38 (+4). Congo: 3,546 cases (+346), 58 deaths (+4). Thailand: cases – 3.320 (+3), deaths – 58. Montenegro: cases – 3.301 (+43), deaths – 52 (+1). Somalia: 3.220 cases, 93 deaths. Mayotte: sick-3.008 (+46), dead-39. Eswatini: sick-2.838 (+63), dead-45 (+2). Sri Lanka: sick – 2.828 (+5), dead-11. Cuba: sick – 2.670 (+24), dead-87. Cape Verde: 2,583 cases (+36) and 25 deaths (+1). Mali: 2,543 cases (+2) and 124 deaths. South Sudan: 2,429 cases and 46 deaths. Namibia: sick – 2.406 (+112), dead – 12 (+1). Slovakia: sick – 2.354 (+10), dead-29. Slovenia: sick – 2.181 (+1), dead – 122 (+2). Lithuania: sick – 2,120 (+10), dead – 80. Rwanda: 2,092 cases (+30), 5 deaths. Estonia: sick – 2.080 (+1), dead – 63. Guinea-Bissau: 1,981 cases and 27 deaths. Mozambique: 1,973 cases (+27) and 14 deaths (+1). Iceland: 1.915 cases (+8), 10 deaths. Suriname: 1,893 cases (+44), 27 deaths. Sierra Leone: 1.848 cases (+5), 67 deaths. Benin: 1,805 cases and 36 deaths. DPR: 1,785 cases, 106 deaths. Yemen: 1,734 cases and 499 deaths (+2). New Zealand: 1.567 cases (+2), 22 deaths. Tunisia: 1.565 cases (+4), 51 deaths. Uruguay: sick – 1.291 (+5), dead – 36. Angola: 1,280 cases (+81) and 58 deaths (+3). Latvia: sick – 1.246 (+3), dead – 32. Jordan: 1,218 cases (+5), 11 deaths. Liberia: 1,214 cases (+7) and 78 deaths (+1). Uganda: 1,195 cases (+13), 5 deaths (+1). Georgia: cases – 1,179 (+2), deaths – 17. Cyprus: sick – 1.155 (+5), dead-19. Niger: 1,152 cases (+5), 69 deaths. Burkina Faso: 1,150 cases (+7), 53 deaths. USS Theodore Roosevelt: sick-1.102, dead-1. Charles de Gaulle: sick-1.081, dead-0. Togo: 976 cases (+15), 19 deaths. Andorra: 937 cases (+12), 52 deaths. Chad: 936 cases and 75 deaths. Jamaica: 894 cases (+11), 12 deaths (+2). Sao Tome and Principe: 874 cases and 15 deaths. Malta: 874 cases (+14), 9 deaths. Somaliland: 859 cases (+1), 26 deaths. Syria: 847 cases (+38) and 46 deaths (+2). Botswana: 804 cases and 2 deaths. Lesotho: 718 cases and 19 deaths. Diamond Princess: 712 cases, 13 deaths. San Marino: 699 cases, 42 deaths. Bahamas: 679 cases (+31), 14 deaths. Reunion: 667 cases, 4 deaths. Vietnam: 652 cases (+32), 6 deaths. LNR: 612 cases, 15 deaths. Channel Islands: 591 cases (+4), 47 deaths. Tanzania: 509 cases, 21 deaths. Gambia: 498 cases and 9 deaths. Taiwan: 475 cases, 7 deaths. Guyana: 474 cases and 21 deaths. Us virgin Islands: 439 cases (+18), 8 deaths. Burundi: 395 cases, 1 death. Comoros: 386 cases and 7 deaths. GUAM: 368 cases (+12) and 5 deaths. Myanmar: 355 cases (+2), 6 deaths. Mauritius: 344 cases and 10 deaths. Isle of man: 336 cases, 24 deaths. Mongolia: 293 cases and 0 deaths. Eritrea: 282 cases (+3), 0 deaths. Guadeloupe: 272 cases (+7), 14 deaths. Martinique: 269 cases and 15 deaths. Cambodia: 240 cases, 0 deaths. Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh: 232 cases, 0 deaths. Faroe Islands: 225 cases, 0 deaths. Cayman Islands: 203 cases and 1 death. Gibraltar: 188 cases and 0 deaths. Trinidad and Tobago: 182 cases and 8 deaths. Bermuda: 157 cases and 9 deaths. Costa Atlantica: 148 cases, 0 deaths. Sint Maarten: 146 cases, 16 deaths. Northern Cyprus: 142 cases and 4 deaths. Brunei: 141 cases and 3 deaths. Barbados: 132 cases and 7 deaths. Greg Mortimer: sick-128, dead-1. Aruba: 124 cases (+2), 3 deaths. Monaco: ill – 121 (+1), dead – 4. Turks and Caicos: 116 cases (+2), 2 deaths. Seychelles: 114 cases and 0 deaths. Papua New Guinea: 111 cases (+1), 2 deaths. Bhutan: 103 cases (+1), 0 deaths. Antigua and Barbuda: 92 cases (+1), 3 deaths. Liechtenstein: 89 cases and 1 death. South Ossetia: 89 cases, 0 deaths. Abkhazia: 81 cases and 2 deaths. French Polynesia: 62 cases, 0 deaths. Belize: 57 cases, 2 deaths. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 55 cases, 0 deaths. St. Martin: 49 cases, 3 deaths. Macao: 46 cases, 0 deaths. Northern Mariana Islands: 46 cases (+1), 2 deaths. Curacao: 29 cases, 1 death. Fiji: 27 cases, 1 death. Saint Lucia: 25 cases, 0 deaths. East Timor: 24 cases, 0 deaths. Grenada: 24 cases, 0 deaths. New Caledonia: 22 cases, 0 deaths. Laos: 20 cases, 0 deaths. Dominica: 18 cases, 0 deaths. Saint Kitts and Nevis: 17 cases, 0 deaths. Greenland: 14 cases and 0 deaths. MS Zaandam: 13 cases, 4 deaths. Caribbean Netherlands: 13 cases, 0 deaths. Falkland Islands: 13 cases, 0 deaths. Coral Princess: 12 cases, 2 deaths. Vatican city: 12 cases, 0 deaths. Montserrat: 12 cases, 1 death. Western Sahara: 10 cases, 1 death. Saint-Barthelemy: 9 cases, 0 deaths. HNLMS Dolfijn: sick-8, dead-0. British virgin Islands: 8 cases, 1 death. Saint-Pierre and Miquelon: 4 cases, 0 deaths. Anguilla: 3 cases, 0 deaths. Total: sick – 18.450.773 (+209.083), deceased – 697.241 (+4.410). [link to web-dialog.com (secure)] |
| Storm2come
Natural Law always wins in the end User ID: 24761162 United States08/04/2020 05:59 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DR I was doing some thinking today and need you to check this out. If we have roughly 7.8 billion humans on earth and only 18 million are positive for the virus then that is 0.0023076923076923 of earths population that is infected. Of the 18 million infected, 690,000 have died at a rate of 0.0383333333333333 . So if all 7.8 billion get infected and 0.038333---- die from infection then the potential number of deaths caused by covid-19 could reach 298,997,400. I know that there will be some who are immune and some who die do to poor health care( Or no care) while some may never even encounter the virus, But roughly speaking that is a large and frightening number of deaths. Is this number of deaths even possible? Or will we gain heard immunity first? Last Edited by Storm2come on 08/04/2020 06:00 PM Thread: Partial crustal shift and the Sun / earth , new EARTH UNDER FIRE video pg 116 Thread: Om frequencies, which one works for you?? If someone produces wealth and money, you have no right to tell them how to spend it.- Ayn Rand |
| Veritas_Aequitas
User ID: 17944814 United States08/04/2020 08:58 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something for everyone to consider: Quoting: Zovalex Whether you agree with DR or not about the “authenticity” of the virus can be set aside as a secondary issue. More importantly is the fact he has very accurately predicted the ACTIONS of people and governments thus far. I relied on his advice when he initially posted and I completely emptied my holdings in the markets, I loaded up on many food supplies, and bought several more firearms (as well as ammo while it was readily available and cheap). Very shortly thereafter, and in the months following, I watched the world go into panic mode as portfolios evaporated, stores shelves were rapidly emptied, lines formed, and ammunition supplies dried up. DR has accurately predicted the lull following the collapse, and the resumption of a very different lifestyle. I have been taking advantage of that lull with more shelving, more food supplies, more ammo purchases, and I have very carefully selected strong investment vehicles to put my liquidity into. As I type this, I am finishing my coffee and heading out to Menards to pick up another chest freezer that just came in. I have packed out my other two and will be loading up this 3rd one with beef products. I assure you that DR’s ongoing analysis will unfold exactly as described. But again: you can set aside the issue of the virus if you disagree with him, but don’t be foolish and get caught as a victim in the impending collapse that will occur this Fall that he is pointing to. Consider the worse case scenario by following his advice: If DR is wrong, you will simply have an overstock of supplies and cash reserves. Whereas, if DR is right, you will be fully prepared to weather the storm, both in terms of supplies and in assets. HOWEVER: If you ignore his advice, you will be fully exposed, vulnerable, unprepared, and you will lose net worth. ....so what have you got to lose by following his wise counsel? . Thank you, Zovalex. I want people to understand what we are potentially, and most likely, facing. Never been a prepper, but always had a prepper mentality, probably because during the 90's, my country (but not only mine) went through massive unemployment, high inflation, social unrest...generally speaking, a highly unstable society. This is the first time in my life when I actually decided to prepare. First time when my family stockpiled food, seeds, meds, etc. First time when I actually see things really changing, and changing for the worse. There were plenty of other moments in the last 30 years when things could have gone wrong. But I never felt, nor see, that they are actually going to be bad. Iraq wars, Afghanistan, 2009 crisis, Crimea invasion, Syria, Israel, etc. etc. Events that could have gone really wrong...but somehow, I've seen that they will be just temporary blips, hence, I never prepped. What we are facing is not a war that can be stopped and WILL BE stopped by a phone call between world leaders. We are not facing a hurricane that is over next day and affects just a small area. We are not facing an earthquake, or a flood, or a massive bush fire. We are facing a PANDEMIC, and people need to get this through their heads. This event is NOT SHORT TERM, is NOT LOCALIZED, and affects EVERYONE. We hope that things will get better, and they will, but 2 things are certain : 1.It will take years before things get better, and it will be worse before they get better. 2.The pre-2020 world is NOT COMING BACK. We might end up in a better world, but let's be realistic here : all signs point out that the world will change for the worse, at least for the next year. Might, MIGHT get better later, but if the WORSE is just going to affect the common man, and enrich and give more power to the already rich and powerful...the WORSE will stay, for a very long time. We aren't dealing with a short-term, localized event. Two weeks of food is not going to be enough. 3 months of food is not going to be enough, but it's much better then 2 weeks. In the best case scenario, and I really mean it, it's the best, the world will suffer an economical depression, which means high unemployment and inflation. Even 3 months of food reserves bought today, instead October, is going to be a wise investment. The prices went up and will continue to rise, because the economy, as it is now, and will be for at least 1 year, can't supply the same quantities as it did before. I want people to understand that even if I am wrong on my prediction of a massive collapse, both economical and societal, inflation is coming...it's already here, but it will get worse. The world is not going to end, I have been always saying this. But the society might collapse, or at least go through a long instability period. The winter is coming, and it is going to be the only, not the first, but the only test we will have, as a society. If we can make it past March 2021, with a resemblance of order, avoiding famine and anarchy, we will make it, as a society. But if most people are in denial (and most are), most of our society will not be prepared for the winter, and if most of us aren't, the society will collapse. Choose to be on the side of those that are preparing, because every single time in history when a society collapsed, the world didn't ended, and sooner or later, we rebuilt, and most of the time, ending up in a better world. As Zovalex, and all the preppers say, if we are wrong, we end up with a stockpile of food that we would have bought and consumed ANYWAY (albeit in longer time). But if we are right (and believe me, we don't want to be right), the chances of going PAST the bad times exponentially increase. Nobody wants a fucking Mad Max world. Maybe insane people want it, but preppers are not insane. I am 47, quite fit, and I can handle myself a 1 vs 1 fight. But in a Mad Max scenario, I am done if I am facing 2 opponents. We're not in the movies. I beat and got beat up, and very few people, no matter how good they are, can handle multiple opponents. In a Mad Max scenario, THIS will be the case : many against few. Nobody wants a society collapse, because the chances of being on the "few" side is almost 100%. But that doesn't mean that I will not do all I can to increase my survival chances, and since Mad Max scenario is the last that can happen, having a stockpile of food and other stuff, is a no-brainer. I agreed DR & you’ve said time & time again that you hope you are wrong. I do too. I live in a metropolitan area that is rife with anger & distrust, it won’t take much more than a match to light the powder keg. People need to take precautions to protect their families, friends & themselves. Mankind is good in shorts spirts to each other, but people by nature can only be so good, for so long. Remember the Joker from the Dark Knight Batman movie, “I’ll show you, when the chips are down, these ‘civilized people’ will eat each other...” He is right, look at the fights over toilet paper for God’s sake. It’s disturbing, now amplify that by 100x & you will get the picture. Mankind is on a cliff right now, at least in the Western World, & we have become spoiled & careless. This transitions to wanting the same “comforts” had once before & when people in-masse don’t get them, they turn to animals. I hope this won’t happen, but again, we have seen it before. "If God saw what any of us did that night he didn't seem to mind. From then on I knew... God doesn't make the world this way. We do." --Rorschach "Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial." - Shakespeare And Shepherds we shall be For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti. |
| UKguy User ID: 79222826 United Kingdom08/04/2020 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The UK now has powers to demolish buildings due to coronavirus - INCLUDING OUR PRIVATE HOMES [link to www.telegraph.co.uk (secure)] |
| Leonero
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| Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 76933812  Chile08/05/2020 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Leonero. Things are speeding up in the original European hot spots. I saw Spain yesterday having a very big increase with 5,7k plus infections and 26 deaths in one day, All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
| Red Hot Chilean Pepe
User ID: 79233690 Chile08/06/2020 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another documented case of apparent re infection, on a nurse technician in Brazil. Thread: Brazilian nurse reinfected with Covid, 2nd infection is worse and devastating All great truths begin as Blasphemies. G.B.S. GLP is like a diamond mine of information, in the sense that you have to shovel mountains of crap to find the diamonds, but it's still worth the pain. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79234142  Czechia08/06/2020 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Was briefly reading these links about the Spanish flu. First wave mainly affected very young and old, a far smaller death rate (that we know can compare with heinsight), many compared it to the normal flu. Second wave emerged in mid august, got going in September, then October and November is where it really kicked off. People were dying in 24hrd of all ages. This is where the death toll really took off. These days we have (or did have) global travel, that spread this far and wide globally (as it was supposed to), we have far more people and a delicately balanced system whereby people are not self sufficient. I can really see this going into another level soon! Thanks to DRs enlightenment, I’m actually now watching the signs unfold, that so many here are either unaware of or not appreciating as much as they should. There’s more in the links to add to this. I’d really recommend everyone check this out, as the parallels to today’s situation is quite shocking. Nothing changes I guess?! Buckle up! [link to www.history.com (secure)] Read the history here [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] |
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| piratedon
User ID: 72624776  New Zealand08/06/2020 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CMs latest video is more positive regarding natural T-cell immunity. What are people’s thoughts ? Being in NZ I might have an unusual perspective but it would seem at present that lock-downs have saved us here to date. So the conclusion might be that all lock-downs are not created equal. We follow whats happening in Victoria (Aus) and think to ourselves how much better off we are at present. Logically it would seem that there are still big questions about T-cell immunity. How long does it last and how much can the virus mutate while populations retain immunity? piratedon |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78542269  Canada08/06/2020 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | European countries reimpose lockdown and travel ban as fear of COVID-19 resurgence looms. [link to nationalpost.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77472320  Malta08/07/2020 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Leonero
User ID: 79238894 Italy08/07/2020 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UPDATES FROM ITALY +552 new positive cases +3 deaths Source: [link to www.repubblica.it (secure)] Again, DR was right. We are currently facing a spike in new cases (yesterday we had 401 new positive cases and, on 5th august, 384). Last Edited by Leonero on 08/07/2020 12:02 PM Ad Omnia Paratus |
| Leonero
User ID: 79238894 Italy08/07/2020 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Leonero. Things are speeding up in the original European hot spots. I saw Spain yesterday having a very big increase with 5,7k plus infections and 26 deaths in one day, Yeah... Also give a look at France and Germany... Very very bad situation. I don't even want to imagine what could happen in the next future and during the fall. Last Edited by Leonero on 08/07/2020 11:42 AM Ad Omnia Paratus |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72344746 United States08/07/2020 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Leonero. Things are speeding up in the original European hot spots. I saw Spain yesterday having a very big increase with 5,7k plus infections and 26 deaths in one day, Yeah... Also give a look at France and Germany... Very very bad situation. I don't even want to imagine what could happen in the next future and during the fall. DR suggested 16 epicenters in Europe. So far, we have Germany, France, and Spain with quickly rising cases in a number of cities. |
| NawtyBits
User ID: 79043579 United States08/07/2020 07:13 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to jamanetwork.com (secure)] Nasal Gene Expression of Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2 in Children and Adults [snip] Lower ACE2 expression in children relative to adults may help explain why COVID-19 is less prevalent in children.3 A limitation of this study is that the sample did not include individuals older than 60 years. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79242243  Greece08/08/2020 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello from Greece, the last 4 days we have had about 600 cases of covid, all hell is gonna break loose soon.... The island of Poros went in lockdown and they let everyone get out of there with ships which means they will spread the virus everywhere.... I suppose soon that we will have lots more infected as it is everywhere now and its only a matter of time because everyone is partying and we have all the (chemtrailed people) that believe its just the flu.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77472320 Malta08/08/2020 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello from Greece, the last 4 days we have had about 600 cases of covid, all hell is gonna break loose soon.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79242243 The island of Poros went in lockdown and they let everyone get out of there with ships which means they will spread the virus everywhere.... I suppose soon that we will have lots more infected as it is everywhere now and its only a matter of time because everyone is partying and we have all the (chemtrailed people) that believe its just the flu.... Same situation in Malta, and I see Greece just announced travellers from Malta need a covid-free certificate to come to your country. Malta also spread some more virus into Italy and Greece, with returning tourists. In less than 3 weeks we have gone from having zero cases to one of the highest infection rates in Europe. All because the Prime Minister encouraged a bunch of cretins to party too much. |
| Guythu
User ID: 76727156 United States08/08/2020 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DR- Would like your thoughts on the following posts regarding the idea of herd immunity being reached in some areas and the function of the virus being that of the Gompertz curve. While it may not be herd immunity, what else can explain these charts, assuming these locations are, in fact, not locked down. Arizona [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Afghanistan [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] French Guyana [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Nigeria [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Lima Peru [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] |
| The Gathering Storm
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| deplorable recollector
(OP) User ID: 73110508 United Kingdom08/09/2020 05:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DR- Quoting: Guythu Would like your thoughts on the following posts regarding the idea of herd immunity being reached in some areas and the function of the virus being that of the Gompertz curve. While it may not be herd immunity, what else can explain these charts, assuming these locations are, in fact, not locked down. Arizona [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Afghanistan [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] French Guyana [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Nigeria [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Lima Peru [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Herd immunity will be proved or disproved in October. I don't know why I should repeat every so often that a pandemic is not affecting the entire world equally. You can have a town or a country swarming with cases...and the next town or country doing much better. We are still at the beginning of the pandemic, something that most people don't get it. Historically speaking, we are still in the first wave, and if it were no lock-downs, the first wave would have burned through the population by May. But we locked-down, and artificially slowed the pandemic, by at least 2 months. Basically, if we consider the start of the first wave in U.S. and Europe in February, we are in the 3rd month of the pandemic, since the lock-downs "paused" 2 to 3 months of the time-line. There can be many reasons why we see a drop in cases, but herd immunity is the least probable one. The first one is general population reaction to the virus. If enough people wear masks and keep the distance, the cases will go down. I am looking at my home county. When the pandemic started, in the first month, we had almost 1/3rd of the total cases and deaths in Romania. We got quarantined and isolated from the rest of the country, so we won't spread it, but we still clocked a lot of cases. People got scared enough to avoid going out even in June. Everyone is wearing masks in-doors and mass transit, and plenty are wearing masks even outdoors. The cases dropped like a rock in May and June, started to rise slightly in July and August, but at acceptable and controllable levels. But, other counties in Romania started to go up, big time, since June. Why? Well, because the guys living there were thinking the virus is a nothingburger. What I am saying is that if people take this seriously, the pandemic will be controlled, because if herd immunity would be a factor, my home county would be doing great...but it doesn't. We are still having the most cases, overall, most hospitalized per capita, most dead, but what is worrying, we started to go up in cases, in the last 10 days, at values that are over the median national increase. And this even if my county population is miles above the rest of the country in mask wearing...but lately, starting in July, we again started to go out like this is over. And the results can be seen. As of now, the herd immunity is a possibility, but we are too early in the pandemic too actually prove it. My home county is a clear example : as long as people got it seriously, cases dropped. The moment they lowered their guard, cases started to rise, slightly, at the beginning, and quite a lot lately. And this is the county that have the most infected people per capita, in Romania. We should not see such increase in cases, in my home county, if herd immunity would be a possibility. We should see a minor increase, but not numbers above the nation's median values. There are many explanations on why some random country, or state, or city is seeing a decrease in cases...but herd immunity is not among them. Not now, anyway, it's too early in the pandemic. Sorry for the convoluted explanation, I am still suffering from food poisoning, and my thought process is not how it should be. Last Edited by Recollector on 08/09/2020 05:40 AM |
| Bastetcat
User ID: 76585521 United States08/09/2020 05:58 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DR- Quoting: Guythu Would like your thoughts on the following posts regarding the idea of herd immunity being reached in some areas and the function of the virus being that of the Gompertz curve. While it may not be herd immunity, what else can explain these charts, assuming these locations are, in fact, not locked down. Arizona [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Afghanistan [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] French Guyana [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Nigeria [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Lima Peru [link to mobile.twitter.com (secure)] Herd immunity will be proved or disproved in October. I don't know why I should repeat every so often that a pandemic is not affecting the entire world equally. You can have a town or a country swarming with cases...and the next town or country doing much better. We are still at the beginning of the pandemic, something that most people don't get it. Historically speaking, we are still in the first wave, and if it were no lock-downs, the first wave would have burned through the population by May. But we locked-down, and artificially slowed the pandemic, by at least 2 months. Basically, if we consider the start of the first wave in U.S. and Europe in February, we are in the 3rd month of the pandemic, since the lock-downs "paused" 2 to 3 months of the time-line. There can be many reasons why we see a drop in cases, but herd immunity is the least probable one. The first one is general population reaction to the virus. If enough people wear masks and keep the distance, the cases will go down. I am looking at my home county. When the pandemic started, in the first month, we had almost 1/3rd of the total cases and deaths in Romania. We got quarantined and isolated from the rest of the country, so we won't spread it, but we still clocked a lot of cases. People got scared enough to avoid going out even in June. Everyone is wearing masks in-doors and mass transit, and plenty are wearing masks even outdoors. The cases dropped like a rock in May and June, started to rise slightly in July and August, but at acceptable and controllable levels. But, other counties in Romania started to go up, big time, since June. Why? Well, because the guys living there were thinking the virus is a nothingburger. What I am saying is that if people take this seriously, the pandemic will be controlled, because if herd immunity would be a factor, my home county would be doing great...but it doesn't. We are still having the most cases, overall, most hospitalized per capita, most dead, but what is worrying, we started to go up in cases, in the last 10 days, at values that are over the median national increase. And this even if my county population is miles above the rest of the country in mask wearing...but lately, starting in July, we again started to go out like this is over. And the results can be seen. As of now, the herd immunity is a possibility, but we are too early in the pandemic too actually prove it. My home county is a clear example : as long as people got it seriously, cases dropped. The moment they lowered their guard, cases started to rise, slightly, at the beginning, and quite a lot lately. And this is the county that have the most infected people per capita, in Romania. We should not see such increase in cases, in my home county, if herd immunity would be a possibility. We should see a minor increase, but not numbers above the nation's median values. There are many explanations on why some random country, or state, or city is seeing a decrease in cases...but herd immunity is not among them. Not now, anyway, it's too early in the pandemic. Sorry for the convoluted explanation, I am still suffering from food poisoning, and my thought process is not how it should be. Thank you for sharing this information.. Sincerely hope you feel better soon!  Life finds a way. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79245902 Italy08/09/2020 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here in italy the geographical distribution of the cases has never changed the greatest part in northern italy, very few in the south. some more case in the south lately, probably because of the tourists i think this virus is largely influenced by environmental factors: mainly the wind and the horography. northern italy is a plain with no wind, southern italy is very mountainous with a lot of wind. southern italy is very similar to greece, country with few cases too. it would be interesting to see if the same factors influence the epidemic also in other countries |
| Northlights
User ID: 79091473 Norway08/09/2020 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here in italy the geographical distribution of the cases has never changed Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79245902 the greatest part in northern italy, very few in the south. some more case in the south lately, probably because of the tourists i think this virus is largely influenced by environmental factors: mainly the wind and the horography. northern italy is a plain with no wind, southern italy is very mountainous with a lot of wind. southern italy is very similar to greece, country with few cases too. it would be interesting to see if the same factors influence the epidemic also in other countries In Norway the isle group of Lofoten has no new cases despite of a huge amount of Norwegians going there as tourists. Salt water and mountains and lots of sun. Interesting. [link to www.lofoten.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79245793 Italy08/09/2020 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here in italy the geographical distribution of the cases has never changed Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79245902 the greatest part in northern italy, very few in the south. some more case in the south lately, probably because of the tourists i think this virus is largely influenced by environmental factors: mainly the wind and the horography. northern italy is a plain with no wind, southern italy is very mountainous with a lot of wind. southern italy is very similar to greece, country with few cases too. it would be interesting to see if the same factors influence the epidemic also in other countries In Po valley there's also a lot of smog |
