WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

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From the above:

According to a readout in state-run Global Times, "China's Vice Foreign Minister Xie Feng summoned US Ambassador to China Nicholas Burns overnight to protest against US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan island late Tuesday night, stressing that the nature of Pelosi's visit is extremely vicious and the consequence is very grave. The Chinese side will not sit idly by."

Further GT writes, "Noting that the US government should have restrained Pelosi's unscrupulous move and prevented her from going against the historical trend but instead indulged her and colluded with her, which exacerbates the tension in the Taiwan Straits and seriously damages China-US ties, Xie said the US must pay the price for its own mistake. China will take necessary and resolute countermeasures and we mean what we say."

This "pay the price" warning will likely only be revealed in full, in terms of the options Beijing has in store for both Washington and Taipei, in the coming days or even weeks after Pelosi departs tomorrow.

China is asshole.


China is full of shit too!

The "Mormons" on their website advise you on what foods to store and how to store them.

In Spanish is this page.

churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/food-storage/longer-term-food-​supply?lang=spa

[link censored, from Andrei Martyanov's blog]

Translation: Why did they engage in fear-mongering, scaring people, creating the noise, when one could have allowed poor grandma to calmly fly to Taiwan. Everything could have been arranged calmly, silently, but no, poor grandma was being frightened with fighters, Air Defense, destroyers and loud statements.

I understand clearly the disappointment of many anti-globalists and China's sympathizers when observing this. I agree with Ramzan, though, as in a good fight--if you show your weapon, you better use it when time comes, otherwise keep it to yourself. But why this "This is Different" meme? Let me explain. As famous re-imagining of Nixon's Vietnam War "Peace with Honor" phrase goes: those who settle for peace with honor, get neither peace nor honor. The US can tell a lot about this issue, since we saw it on full display in Afghanistan last year. It took Russia several beatings of the US lap-dogs into bloody pulp starting in 2008 with Georgia, then in Syria and now in Ukraine, until Washington returned to its natural state of being a bellicose bully but scared shitless of engaging directly with Russia.

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Moreover, main China's mistake was this, however justified, bellicose rhetoric preceding walking mummy's visit to Taiwan and now the precedent had been created and IT IS already being spun by media. Of course, there is a school of thought which promotes the view that China prevented a nuclear war. I don't know, what I know for sure is this:

China begins military drills near Taiwan – reports

Should have been ongoing well before Pelosi's plane took off from the US and the scale of those drills, including at least the deployment of the Chinese Air Force, should have been massive, presenting a real threat in the area for any unauthorized flight. But now we may have on our hands, actually, a bigger problem--with China being forced to respond in such a way that she is not perceived as a "paper tiger" and that may (I underscore it--may, it is not preordained) lead to an attempt on Taiwan and that may involve the US Navy, especially its submarine force, which theoretically CAN score some significant military points, which are desperately needed for demoralized and economically strained United States in general and Biden Administration in particular. This is the price of the moment of weakness and indecisiveness and there is no way to spin it in any positive direction.

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I agree 100% with the above remarks. It's clear that China barked a fucking LOT, and it's now clear that it wasn't even fully prepared for "whatever the consequences" as they were pretending with all their bellicose rhetoric.

If there's any immediate loss of face and humiliation (and there is), it's solely China's fault for making hysteric threats that it wasn't prepared to back it up.

Now they are haphazardly concocting a reaction to at least attenuate this gigantic blunder.

And to make clear my point: I'm not suggesting that they should have intercepted or even shooted the witch's plane. No. However, all the chess-pieces should've been pre-arranged on the table and everything readied to the max, to pull the trigger at the decisive moment.

And given what's surfacing so far, it's becoming clear that they were nowhere near the readiness level required to make good on at least half their threats. Sure, things WILL change from now on, but it won't be with the swiftness and intensity that their own fucking threats lead everyone to believe.

China is completely dependent on the west to sell its manufactures and to import the commodities that make it work, it has no way of waging war against the west, that would be complete suicide, today's world is different from 100 years ago, get real please.

Try coming with a more stupid answer. It's impossible.

Are you saying China should get wiped?

Thanks, but that's not what I was asking.

China won't do shit. They tried to bluff by coming up with all kinds of dramatic threats, "play with fire" and so on, but Pelosi called their bluff. The chinese military is only a show.

You obviously have had limited exposure to native East Asians.

All your analyzing is based on old-world-rules.

But we are now in idiocracy mode. Nothing will happen. Only decay.

It will be fun to see your cock decompose while in your mouth.

You forgot to hide your dot gov IP addy.

You are busted, motherfucker.

Eat shit.

Some of you believe that the Eastern way of thinking is the same as that of the Westerner.

Do not sell the skin of the bear before hunting it, or as the bullfighters of my country say, "everything is bull until the tail"

until ten days from now no one should speak through the mouth of a goose

Yes.
Chinese are not fools, they know that the cost of a war is much higher than the possible benefits it can bring. Look at Russia, 5 months of war against a poor and weak country and it doesn't move, the Chinese will not fall into this trap, wars cost money, a lot of money, losing money right now is the last thing China wants.

Definitely there will be a cost if they act now, as there will also be a cost if they do nothing and let the US have it's way.

from the other thread:

As of this morning, China's response to the American provocation so far has been:

1. Condemnation at the diplomatic level.

2. Started military exercises with rocket firing, including missiles potentially capable of carrying nuclear warheads, but so far with non-nuclear warheads.

3. Partial blockade of the island by exercise zones. Until at least August 8th.

4. Requirements for airlines not to fly in Taiwan airspace.

5. Suspension of the $5 billion CATL battery plant project which would create 10,000 US jobs.

6. An embargo on the supply of natural sand to Taiwan (on the island it is used for the production of cement and glass).

8. Suspension of imports from Taiwan to China of two types of fish and citrus fruits.

9. Prohibit Chinese companies from cooperating with Taiwan Democracy Foundation and Taiwan International Foundation for International Cooperation and Development.

10. In general, it can be expected that China's main response will be on the economic plane. But in general, it is obvious that current events have brought a future war over Taiwan closer.
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Latest Scott Ritter video about Taiwan. Worth every fucking minute. It starts already at the relevant part. Some snipets:

china ain't going to lose taiwan it's in their constitution buddy they're going to go to war

and guess what china's been doing for the last 20 years while we've been eviscerating our military capability in the middle east? Singularly preparing for war with the united states.

They have an army that is ready to go to war today

we don't. we don't have an army that's ready to go to war tomorrow or a week from tomorrow or in a month or in a year.

....we've been lying to ourselves we've been buying into this legacy notion of amphibious operations that are married to ships that will get sunk before they get anywhere near a hostile shore especially a chinese shore...we don't have any capability none zero except nuclear that's all we got going for us

and that's the great fear here because we're getting ready to be humiliated in a way we haven't been humiliated ever and this is going to be worse than pearl harbor if we choose to escalate

there's going to be a political pearl harbor because china's taking taiwan -- get used to it -- it's going to happen we crossed a red line and we can't say they didn't warn us they said we don't want to do this please don't make us do this...

...this is the dumbest thing we have done in a long long long time and there will be ramifications. Any idiot that thinks they would never do this because they fear economic sanctions.. they will shut us down long before we shut them down....

China is going to war why because they have crossed the line they have moved too many forces into position it's too expensive you can't do this over you can't do this to bring it back and do it again they have crossed the line they have accumulated the force and they're going to continue to accumulate they are going to war goodbye taiwan enjoy what little you have left of your pathetic little existence it's on you you could have said no you could have turned the plane around you could have done something instead you're letting nancy pelosi land on your soil and she's gonna meet not only with your parliament....meeting with legislature as equals that's called independent-minded she's going to meet with the leader of the political party that's advocating independence from china I mean literally load the damn bullet into the gun before giving it to the chinese so they can put your head and pull the trigger this is stupidity....



In the end he says the chance for a nuclear exchange by the end of this year is high.

Again worth every second

DOOM ON

Going to have an update regarding Taiwan-China situation.


But first, I am going to listen to Scott Ritter video, among other videos that I have on the list for today.



The update will be posted in about 4-5 hours (around 4-5 pm GMT).

Last Edited by Recollector on 08/04/2022 07:40 AM

Thanks Recollector :-)

Thanks!

Since the beginning of Russia deploying troops around Ukraine, I was 100% sure that they were going in.


When the total forces of Russia around Ukraine reached 200 BTG's, or around 150,000 troops (according to U.S. intel), I was 99% certain that this is the beginning of the end for the globalist takeover, with a remaining 1% that Putin is in bed with the globalists.


When Russia invaded, it became absolutely clear, for me, at least, that this is a LONG PLANNED attack, at least 10 years back, and it is going to be just the first step in taking down the United States.


Ukraine, I said from the beginning, and I will continue to say, it is NOT THE TARGET.


Neither is Taiwan.



Now, if anyone here is thinking that China's military (PLA) is a peer of the U.S. or Russia, do not be very upset : THEY ARE NOT, and there are solid arguments why they aren't. YET.


Russia's plan to take down the U.S., without the help of China, would be a disastrous failure. But with China, not only the chances are much higher, they are actually close to 100% success, in certain conditions.




I would like to ask a series of questions, before going further, so everyone will understand why Russia's plan (China went 100% along with, as a critical part) to goat the West into war IS WHAT IS HAPPENING since February 24th, 2022.


1. Why did Russia, with 1 million strong army, only brought 150,000 troops to attack Ukraine?

2. Why did Russia, with 150,000 troops, used AT THE PEAK of the invasion only HALF of their forces (according to U.S. intel) ?

3. Why did Russia almost EXCLUSIVELY used LPR and DPR militia, Wagner and several thousands Chechens for urban combat, only providing intel, targeting, air, arty and missile support?


4. Why did Russia PROLONGED this conflict, which is now entered it's 6 month?



My personal answers to the above questions are:

1. They don't needed more military power for a conflict which the clearly used it as a COMBAT TRAINING GROUND for a bigger war.

2. To prolong the conflict, giving enough time for their entire army to gain combat experience, while in the same time drawing immense resources from the West.

3. Except Chechens and Wagner, with solid urban combat experience, the militias needed to be INCORPORATED into Russia combat arms tactical and strategic mission, virtually transforming the militias into an integral part of Russian armed forces.

4. Because of all of the above AND giving China time to prepare.




Now, I believe that China is ready for a limited conflict in their immediate area of influence, but I am not very sure that they can actually win this limited conflict, unless it is a very limited one (invasion of an insignificant Taiwanese island), but that will not prove much, if all, except that China is strong to invade an islet, but weak to invade Taiwan, and by extent, to fight the U.S.


Don't get me wrong, China is a military power, BY NUMBERS, but those numbers are irrelevant in today's world. Point in case, Russia's 75,000 troops (half of their mobilized BTG's) plus 40-50,000 militias, Chechens and Wagner utterly beating 250,000 Ukrainian troops AND half a million reserves.



Combat experience, seasoned commanders, combined arms missions, knowing what, how and when to attack, defend or retreat, is A LOT MORE IMPORTANT then how many troops, tanks, IFV's, fighter jets and helicopter an army have.



Even with very limited combat experience of the U.S. army, against very weak enemies (Iraq, Syria, Lybia, etc.), the U.S. still have much more combat experience then China have, which wasn't involved directly in a war since WW2, only by proxy, last time being Vietnam war.


The U.S. is perfectly capable to do complex combat missions, under real combat conditions, REGARDLESS if their opponents were weak : the U.S. used combined combat arms mission in real combat conditions.




The question, and the most important question that can only have 2 answers is :


ARE WE WITNESSING CHINA'S OPENING MOVE, ACCORDING TO RUSSIA'S PLAN, OR CHINA MISTAKENLY OVERREACTED TO PELOSI'S VISIT, PUSHING THEMSELVES INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY MUST ANSWER TO AN EXACERBATED SITUATION, WHILE IT WASN'T THE TIME YET?


If China mistakenly overreacted to Pelosi's visit, their answer will HAVE TO BE MILITARY, but if they fucking misscalculate it, and their answer forces the U.S. to also militarily respond, the conflict can escalate far beyond we can imagine, and it puts Russia into a position that they planned for LATER ON.




Again, I repeat, I do not know what China will do, but they will have a military answer, hopefully, A BLOCKADE that will be temporary (IF China overreacted and it's not the time yet, according to Russia's plan), or, hopefully, a blockade that they prepared for LONG TIME ago, with the sole purpose of annihilating most of the U.S. forces in the area, doing it such a way that Russia and China BOTH, along North Korea will strike EXCLUSIVELY the U.S. bases in Japan and SK, at least.



The U.S. and European allies are NOT in the position of fighting Russia, directly, but the U.S. and its allies in the Pacific CAN FIGHT directly against China...AND PROBABLY WIN, if Russia isn't part of it.



If Russia is going to join China and NK in a massive first trike against U.S. navy and U.S. bases in Japan and SK, it's World War 3.


If Russia isn't going to join in, we're still looking at WW3, but later, once China/NK are either close to lose, and Russia joins in whether they like it or not, or China/NK is winning and the U.S. will probably unleash nuclear strikes on China.



The biggest problems we are facing is that the U.S. empire is falling, China is rising and cannot expand because Taiwan is NOT under their control, Russia is beating the crap out of NATO's best troops in Europe, hence the U.S. NEEDS A MAJOR WIN, and they might be able to pull it against China.


In the same time, China must show that they are INDEED the major force in their immediate zone of interest, they also MUST break the Pacific 4 (Japan, SK, U.S., Australia), and the only way to do it to beat the U.S. military in a conflict, HOPEFULLY a LIMITED ONE.



On the other hand, if China DOES NOT SHOW military might that can prove that they can oppose the U.S., the Pacific 4 will be stronger, China weaker, and Russia will ABSOLUTELY reconsider their alliance with China.



Make no mistake, China NEEDS COMBAT EXPERIENCE, so in the future they can fight a bigger war against the U.S., and win. While on land, Chinese massive army and hardware can EASILY win a war, without having combat experience, they need COMBINED NAVAL, AIR and TERRESTRIAL COMBAT experience, and to be honest, I don't know how they will get it without invading, or at least attempting to invade Taiwan mainland, so to speak, and not an islet.


China will suffer MASSIVE LOSSES, regardless, but the combat experience that they will get will worth it, for the future.




So, what we are facing now, is EITHER Russia's plan going as expected, which will trigger WW3, EITHER China overreacted, and will misscalculate their answer, leading to WW3, starting in Asia, or leading to China losing the conflict (whatever it might be and with whom), leaving Russia ALONE, which again will lead to WW3, but will start in Europe, because the West will FORCE a defeated China to drop their support for Russia.



Depending on what China will do in the next few days (ending the blockade OR prolong it, then invade Taiwan later on) we're looking at the start of WW3 in a matter of several days, or in a matter of weeks, but no late then October, or we're looking at China LOSING FACE, BADLY, in which case the Russia-China alliance will no longer exist, and the globalists forces will gain a solid advance on their plans.

I doubt China will care about the massive losses. They have a surplus of military aged men, as an unintended consequence of the one child policy.

China will have to sustain losses to gain combat experience.


Ofc they don't care too much about losses, and since it's the only way to gain combat experience...I think they will do it, but still, too many dead is not a great combat experience.


So, whatever China will choose to do, it will not simply send their troops in regardless of the losses.


If they will end up with 30% losses, but 70% gaining invaluable combat expeience, they will do whatever they have planned to do, IF they planned to do something in the very near future.


They could go up for 50%, and they will still do it.




But, the question is : will they do something big enough to gain serious combat experience, because this implies something serious enough to involve hundreds of thousands of troops, and it might quickly lead to a fast U.S. response, ending with big Chinese losses BUT NO COMBAT EXPERIENCE GAINED, because it will end very fast, if the U.S. goes for a massive strike?

Last Edited by Recollector on 08/04/2022 02:06 PM