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[link to phiquyenchinh.org (secure)]

Read the above and LOTS of this starts making sense. WW3 has been going on for sometime now
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That is an awesome link, and it makes sense all of the pieces fit, it was an attack gone wrong.
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OP, in your original (and updated post) you say that International Travel needs to be stopped by Feb. 3rd and Local Quarantine implemented by Feb 5th otherwise the Pandemic will be catastrophic.

At this point do you feel catastrophe is inevitable?
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OP, in your original (and updated post) you say that International Travel needs to be stopped by Feb. 3rd and Local Quarantine implemented by Feb 5th otherwise the Pandemic will be catastrophic.

At this point do you feel catastrophe is inevitable?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134512


Have you heard that there are two more brand new and never seen before viruses in Africa and Brazil along with locust plague in east Africa?

This has got to be by design and something Big is about to happen.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, It's what you know that just ain't so. -Mark Twain

Thread: Understanding the Dynamics of the CW 2 *red alert 9-17-2020 it begins* pg 6
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It's terribly obvious that China's reaction and lockdowns are WAY out of scale from their reported numbers.

If it were me, and I had a city of 8 million, I'd need to have at least 10k dead or in serious danger of dying to lock it down.

It's completely out of control in China. Like trying to fill a missile hole on a sub with bubble gum. What remains to be seen is whether the ACE2 receptors are a factor in virulence and transmissibility of the virus.

Should transmission and strength of the virus decrease in none Asian populations, we will still have significant economic fall out as China is about 17% of the entire world's economy.

So we shall see.

But it is real doom in the making.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


I agree.

There is either a horrific death rate, or the infection rate is off the roof.

Or a combination of both.


But one thing is crystal clear : no one will ever lock-down Nanjing for 35 cases.

We can speculate on the numbers, but for such a big city, the infected people have to be a significant percentage of the population, at least 1%. Which is 85,000 people. While the death rate similar with SARS, 8% of the infected, so at least 6,800 dead.

If anyone extrapolates from 8.5 million to 90 million there are locked-down in China, keeping the same 1% of the population infected and 8% of the infected dead, the numbers rise to at least 900,000 infected and at least 72,000 dead.


But here is the thing...we are ONLY talking about the locked-down cities. And even if we stick to those cities, the situation is so dire (everyone on lock-down, within their families, hospitals collapsed, not enough healthcare personal), the number of infected people in such condition will rapidly reach 5-7% of the population, which for those 90 million is 4.5-6.3 million people.


And than you have another 1.3 BILLION people with lesser percentages of infected, the further away from the epicenter.


What exactly is the problem of some people to accept that a 1.4 billion people country is millions of infected and hundreds of thousand of dead, from a virus that NOBODY still doesn't know how it spread, with certitude, especially considering the healthcare system collapsing and the ONLY way to stop the epidemic is to lock down cities?
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


They would shut down a city with only 35 infected if the virus is a well engineered killer that can drop 89%
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Coronavirus’ ‘case-fatality rate’ could range from 1% up to 18%

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"Case-fatality rates measure the number of deaths from a certain disease as a percentage of the total amount of patients.

Based on available data, the Imperial scientists estimate the case-fatality rate in the province Hubei - of which Wuhan is capital - as 18%.

They note the 'credible interval' ranges from 11% up to 81%.

Among 'travellers outside mainland China', the case-fatality rate is estimated at between 1.2% and 5.6%, with
'substantial uncertainty'...."
Quoting: Scorpionica


We.Are. Fucked

If this is true China will bring down the world

this is Mad Max shit here
Quoting: ETpeace


Oh and the pop of Hubei Province is 58 million so 18% of that is over 10 million DEAD!

And yes....they will all get it, it's highly contagious

Have a nice day....
ETpeace
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OP, in your original (and updated post) you say that International Travel needs to be stopped by Feb. 3rd and Local Quarantine implemented by Feb 5th otherwise the Pandemic will be catastrophic.

At this point do you feel catastrophe is inevitable?
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Excellent question!

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OP, in your original (and updated post) you say that International Travel needs to be stopped by Feb. 3rd and Local Quarantine implemented by Feb 5th otherwise the Pandemic will be catastrophic.

At this point do you feel catastrophe is inevitable?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77134512


Have you heard that there are two more brand new and never seen before viruses in Africa and Brazil along with locust plague in east Africa?

This has got to be by design and something Big is about to happen.
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Something wicked this way comes...

As for me and mine, we're hanging on to Jesus!
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The commies are desperate!! They claim to have tested ALL of Wuhan!!

[link to www.indiatoday.in (secure)]

What utter BS

They would have had to test ~500,000 per day the last few weeks!

Utter BS

Do they think the world is stupid or just can't do math

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Read the above and LOTS of this starts making sense. WW3 has been going on for sometime now
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Too Long/Won't Read

How about Cliff Notes? charlie
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Listen guys, in a few days, when opee’s ridicoulous, wild guesses are prived to be a joke. I want you to remenber. This guy behind the Romanian proxy is either an attention whore or a disinfo agent. This “epidemic” is looking like a big fake UN/globalist power grab. But think about tjis thread after it peters out. And then when the next scare mongering hoax comes out, remember this bullshit.

Opee has said china is a lost cause, he’s insinuating 50% of the chinese are gonna die. Thats simply not the case. Shanghai ports and factories are already back in business.

This was a giant nothing burger...

12 US cases .... TWELVE. GIMME A BREAK...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


Thank you, Chairman Xi.



Now go back to your bunker...or grave.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Opee, LITERALLY NO ONE HAS DIED OUTSIDE OF CHINA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


I followed this thread from beginning, I was a bit dubious but believed OP.Now I got to say I am a bit skeptical.
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Listen guys, in a few days, when opee’s ridicoulous, wild guesses are prived to be a joke. I want you to remenber. This guy behind the Romanian proxy is either an attention whore or a disinfo agent. This “epidemic” is looking like a big fake UN/globalist power grab. But think about tjis thread after it peters out. And then when the next scare mongering hoax comes out, remember this bullshit.

Opee has said china is a lost cause, he’s insinuating 50% of the chinese are gonna die. Thats simply not the case. Shanghai ports and factories are already back in business.

This was a giant nothing burger...

12 US cases .... TWELVE. GIMME A BREAK...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


Thank you, Chairman Xi.



Now go back to your bunker...or grave.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Opee, LITERALLY NO ONE HAS DIED OUTSIDE OF CHINA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


Not true. The news is being suppressed.
One of the quarantined passengers on the Cruise Ship docked in NJ has died.
Like I said, all .gov is cracking down on release of info to prevent a panic. They will only be able to do so for a short time. In several weeks at most the panic will be unstoppable.
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As has been pointed out many times, OP's model is complete bullshit. I don't know why it keeps getting pinned. OP keeps deleting posts and banning IPs of the non-lemmings that call BS.
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I'm deleting the posts. Now yours will be deleted too.

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There is really no point in updating past February 15th.

Most I can do, but that really depends on how things evolve next week (Feb 10th-16th) in Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand and Japan, is to have a new, adjusted model, based on new data, for the week of Feb.17th-23rd.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


YES PLEASE!!!!

OP, your info is invaluable. Please don’t let the trolls discourage you. Those of us with an IQ higher than a beer can of Halcyon Daze malt liquor desperately WANT your insights.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75214035


It's not about the trolls. It's about the model.

I expect the number of confirmed cases to rise significantly next week, outside China.

If they do not, I will rework the model, and the result will probably be that this virus is just not that bad outside China.

And if it's not that bad, I no longer care about numbers...we dodged the bullet.


The entire reason for my model is to see IF we're fucked or not.

From the beginning I said that February 15th-16th are CRITICAL DATES.

Basically, and I will put this as simple as I can, if by February 16th, the number of OFFICIALLY confirmed cases outside China is going to be around 800...it's BAD NEWS.


My personal expectation is that the number of cases outside China, on February 16th will be close to 1,000.

If we will have 800-1,000 or more confirmed cases at the end of February 16th, outside China, there is no point to update the model...it's SHTF at the beginning of March.

Numbers won't change the outcome.
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OP's dates and numbers are a must-read.
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As has been pointed out many times, OP's model is complete bullshit. I don't know why it keeps getting pinned. OP keeps deleting posts and banning IPs of the non-lemmings that call BS.
;norespect:
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I'm deleting the posts. Now yours will be deleted too.

Jobdone
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TYFYS
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As has been pointed out many times, OP's model is complete bullshit. I don't know why it keeps getting pinned. OP keeps deleting posts and banning IPs of the non-lemmings that call BS.
;norespect:
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I'm deleting the posts. Now yours will be deleted too.

Jobdone
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Damn ! rockon
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OP, we may not know if your numbers are correct, simply because areas outside of China may also be full of crap, and because a lot of people might just think that they have a cold, so they won't go to the doctor.
Personally, I like your thread and I hope that we will find out what is really going on.
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OP, we may not know if your numbers are correct, simply because areas outside of China may also be full of crap, and because a lot of people might just think that they have a cold, so they won't go to the doctor.
Personally, I like your thread and I hope that we will find out what is really going on.
 Quoting: Etta


All still speculation now. News is starting to show vids that were posted here days ago so.... maybe getting some slowly conditioned to whats to come. Who knows as it seems very few are that interested and believe any of the news and- or numbers.
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TOMM. TOTAL DEATHS....1,111 !!! IM CALLIN IT

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OP, we may not know if your numbers are correct, simply because areas outside of China may also be full of crap, and because a lot of people might just think that they have a cold, so they won't go to the doctor.
Personally, I like your thread and I hope that we will find out what is really going on.
 Quoting: Etta


All still speculation now. News is starting to show vids that were posted here days ago so.... maybe getting some slowly conditioned to whats to come. Who knows as it seems very few are that interested and believe any of the news and- or numbers.
 Quoting: florida218 32817130


If this is for real and really bad, no matter the origin of it, it'll be used as a culling event. Or perhaps rather a sifting event.

By suppressing information TPTB tries to avoid panic, at the same time as those who are best informed and best equipped, will make due preparations well ahead of the herd.

I intend to be one of them. Not so much for my own sake, but I have nieces and nephews and I live in a rural place ideal for hunkering down. So they'll come here if TSHTF, which actually forces my hand in advance.
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Seeing that there is a YUGE money making opportunity here for some drug companies to make a vaccine, i assume we will see them clamoring to be the first. I would imagine they are working overtime (not to help anyone) but to get their monies out of this.
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[link to phiquyenchinh.org (secure)]

Read the above and LOTS of this starts making sense. WW3 has been going on for sometime now
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Too Long/Won't Read

How about Cliff Notes? charlie
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I also thought it was very long, but it was worth it, it is, by far, the best information I got about coronavirus. Reading is mandatory to understand what is happening.
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Read the above and LOTS of this starts making sense. WW3 has been going on for sometime now
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HOT BALLS OF FIRE!
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"We're Definitely Not Prepared" - African Healthcare Officials Fear Virus Spread


“Any report of a person with coronavirus here will be very disastrous...”

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Listen guys, in a few days, when opee’s ridicoulous, wild guesses are prived to be a joke. I want you to remenber. This guy behind the Romanian proxy is either an attention whore or a disinfo agent. This “epidemic” is looking like a big fake UN/globalist power grab. But think about tjis thread after it peters out. And then when the next scare mongering hoax comes out, remember this bullshit.

Opee has said china is a lost cause, he’s insinuating 50% of the chinese are gonna die. Thats simply not the case. Shanghai ports and factories are already back in business.

This was a giant nothing burger...

12 US cases .... TWELVE. GIMME A BREAK...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


Thank you, Chairman Xi.



Now go back to your bunker...or grave.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Opee, LITERALLY NO ONE HAS DIED OUTSIDE OF CHINA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73459426


Not true. The news is being suppressed.
One of the quarantined passengers on the Cruise Ship docked in NJ has died.
Like I said, all .gov is cracking down on release of info to prevent a panic. They will only be able to do so for a short time. In several weeks at most the panic will be unstoppable.
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AP, if you read this, I agree -- the .gov is repressing facts, but the truth is a force of nature. It will break loose. When do you think pandemonium will erupt? How long do we have?
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Seeing that there is a YUGE money making opportunity here for some drug companies to make a vaccine, i assume we will see them clamoring to be the first. I would imagine they are working overtime (not to help anyone) but to get their monies out of this.
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I watched a TV debate yesterday night on French TV. I noticed three points:

1) Only 10% of the people of the quarantined cruise ship in Japan were tested yet. So, it's about a 30% rate of infected people for the time being.

2) an expert unintentionally said that there was thousands of dead in China already.

3) Millions of urban people travelled in China for the New Year...to the rural provinces where their families live in the epidemic period and are not allowed to come back yet. Given the numbers provided by the Chinese government, they clearly are not counted as cases. The very moment they must return to their cities to work, they will spread the CoV massively!
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THE CASE WHERE IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT ASYMPTOMATIC PEOPLE WERE SPREADING THE VIRUS TURNED OUT TO BE INCORRECT. THE CASE IN QUESTION WAS A LADY WHO FLEW TO GERMANY FOR MEETING AND 'APPEARED' TO OTHERS TO BE IN GOOD HEALTH. AFTER SHE HAD SPREAD THE VIRUS TO OTHERS AND RETURNED HOME IT TOOK TIME FOR DRS TO CONTACT HER. IN THE INTERIM THE PAPER WAS PUBLISHED RE ASYMPTOMATIC SPREADING. WHEN SHE WAS CONTACTED SHE WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT WHILE ON HER TRIP SHE DID HAVE SYMPTOMS.

I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY OTHER CASES WHERE ADYMPTOMATIC SPREADING HAS OCCURED.
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Did you read the paper “ace”? Did you see how two Germans that never had any direct contact with the Chinese woman got infected because they had contact with the German that had contact with the Chinese woman?

If you can’t read and understand, please don’t post misleading disinfo.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Ditto with family at ski area in France, infected by man who had been to conference in Singapore. Who went to hospital in UK a week after leaving France
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I think we can close this debate. There is a (not yet peer reviewed) study, and it states that Corona viruses are present in nasal mucus days before the onset of the symptoms. From 135 Coronavirus infected persons only 6 (4%) seeked medical care, but all were actively spreading the virus (and most of them developed symptoms sooner or later).
Sources: [link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
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OP, in your original (and updated post) you say that International Travel needs to be stopped by Feb. 3rd and Local Quarantine implemented by Feb 5th otherwise the Pandemic will be catastrophic.

At this point do you feel catastrophe is inevitable?
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I posted an update on the main post.

This week, as I said, is crucial for my model. I have to wait more information this week, but there is a chance, if more cases will be reported with longer than 21 days incubation period, my model to be adjusted quite drastically, for a lower R0, quite possibly under the value of 2.0.

But it is still going to be close to 2.0, which is still bad news, but gives more time, especially for governments to prepare for quarantines.

At this point, to answer your question, it's a 50/50 chance. Depending on what will happen this week, which I repeat, is a critical week, we might dodge the bullet, and fall under the economical depression outcome, avoiding the catastrophic Mad Max outcome.

But I have to wait for this week to pas, and see what will happen.
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The commies are desperate!! They claim to have tested ALL of Wuhan!!

[link to www.indiatoday.in (secure)]

What utter BS

They would have had to test ~500,000 per day the last few weeks!

Utter BS

Do they think the world is stupid or just can't do math
 Quoting: ETpeace



Well, the commies are even more stupid than that, or have a very short memory span.

They said that 5 million people left Wuhan before lock-down.

And Wuhan is 11 million people city.

So...only 6 million left in the city...but they tested 11 million?
Did they brought back the 5 million that left?


Another reason why NOBODY should give a flying fuck on what China is saying.

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"Feb 12th: Serious cases needing hospitalization : 39,300 - 49,100"
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fail

As of today 2/10/2020
910 reported deaths total
[link to wuflu.live (secure)]
871 in Hubei Province
37 the rest of China (highest in a single province 7)
2 deaths outside China (1 Chinese, 1 immunocompromised)
( Thread: Novel Coronavirus 2019-nCoV is Not Proving to be Very Deadly Outside Hubei Province, Why Not? (Page 4) CK Dexter Haven)

and the cruise ship in Japan (a "real" "big lab") also has shown death rate progress opposite to what model points





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