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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78121322 United States 02/22/2020 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Found your comment on Diamond Princess OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76871995 Infection rate was 17% with just 2 deaths from 3700 people in close quarters dancing and eating at buffets for weeks. Why would there only be 2 deaths? Thanks READ THE DAMN THREAD!!! Losers like you keep asking the same stupid questions about mortality rates and OP has REPEATEDLY stated his model is designed to project INFECTION RATES ONLY. He has REPEATEDLY stated his model does NOT address mortality rates. READ BEFORE YOU POST!!! . When a thread gets as large as this, it's difficult to follow the different topics. Start a new thread to focus on different subjects... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78179084 United States 02/22/2020 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MAJOR UPDATE : Quoting: deplorable recollector 87 more cases announced in South Korea. 142 announced earlier, for a daily total of 229 new cases. South Korea had 51 cases THREE DAYS AGO. Now they have 433. This confirms the R0 > 6, and not the super-spreader theory. There are NO super-spreaders. The virus is just off the roof contagious, and spreads extremely easily, with maximum efficiency, regardless of the incubation period, symptoms or not. Every infected person spread the virus in mere hours after contracting it. The pandemic is out of control. It always was. Probably the reason why WHO downplayed it, and all governments not doing anything to stop it...because IT CANNOT BE STOPPED. We are approaching the end of the month, when hundreds of thousands of people will start presenting SERIOUS symptoms, and hospitals will be assaulted by patients. It's game over. Next week will be the last "normal" week on Earth. Things will speed up this week, A LOT. Panic will start next week, in many places. SHTF by March 5-6. 2019-nCoV has been spreading for months now. People should be dropping like flies. But they're not, not outside Hubei Province. Sure, some people will die, like the two 80+ year old senior citizens on the cruise ship. But 2019-nCoV will not have the same devastating effect outside Hubei Province where the populace was sensitized with a faulty vaccine. Thread: China's Mandatory Vaccination Law Went Into Effect on December 1, 2019 - The Coronavirus Outbreak is a Vaccine Experiment Gone Bad There are indications The WHO and CDC already know this. They along with Big Pharma, and the western MSM will pull out all the stops to cover it up. Remember this over the next week or two as the doom outside Hubei Province still fails to materialize. Really? Tell that to Italy. The government there is in a 3 hour and counting meeting to discuss how to address the exploding cases. Already there is discussion of using the military and police in their response. Can you read Italian? If not, throw it in Google Translator. [link to www.repubblica.it (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78509355 United Kingdom 02/22/2020 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Knightshade The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion, not on the person questioning it. I don't know of anyone that has stated that a white person (american or otherwise) has died of this virus. On the other hand, there are numerous posters stating that there are no white fatalities. Consequently, the onus is upon those posters to prove their assertion, not upon the rest of us to disprove it. Doing so will be difficult as the race/ethnicitity/nationality of all reported deaths has not yet been released. There may not be any white fatalities, but, right now, we cannot possibly know anything like that for certain. Except that the Iranians are technically white. They are Aryan and Caucasians...so, white, as far as DNA genome goes. I understand, but (and I may have missed this) I don't recall that the dead Iranians were identified beyond "Iranian nationals". I don't hold this opinion, but they could have been of immigrant stock. Either way, my point stands: the onus is on the posters claiming "no white deaths" to prove their assertion. On another note, thanks for this thread. It was your model that caused me to start tracking this topic. I don't see the people who assume that this virus kills a certain genome group as smart people. Or at least informed people. Yes, the ones claiming this crap have the burden of proof. Even if we assume that a virus targeting a certain genome group can be made, the problem is that viruses mutate. And they do it many times over a short period of time. This is a 100% FACT. And the moment a virus mutates, his original design is lost : that virus will affect and kill anyone, regardless of the genome type. Not to mention that in the last 150 years, the races mixed to such an extent, it is basically impossible to find an Asian-only or Caucasian-only genome type, "pure" enough to design a virus. Not true. Many people have unique mutations or immunities and its often by race or ethnicity, and they absolutely have sometimes help with immunity against certain diseases or viruses.... To state that this is not possible shows you are bias. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78509355 United Kingdom 02/22/2020 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Check out zerohedge article. It looks like your spot on your model. Quoting: gebahie [link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)] Diamond Princess ship was a real eye opener, but it is not a sample that can be extrapolated to a model. However, it can be applied to cluster outbreaks, such as the church cluster in Daegu, South Korea. I expect 200+ cases in Daegu church alone to be confirmed by the end of the week (February 23rd), with dozens more that are indirectly related to the church. South Korea should have around 300 confirmed cases by week's end. If this is the case, expect all future clusters to follow a 20-25% infection rate. South Korea confirmed 142 new cases today, February 22nd. It is MUCH MORE than I expected. And they have one more report later on. I am waiting to see how the situation will evolve in Italy, since every country have its own epidemic regulations. It might be possible that South Korea to have more than 1 super-spreader, or, this virus is an absolute beast, with an R0 over 6. If Italy proceeds in same parameters as South Korea, with around 45 new cases today and around 100 new cases tomorrow...it is really bad news. The probability of multiple super-spreaders in both South Korea and Italy is minuscule, which means that the R0 is over 6, and the infected people are NOT super-spreaders...it's just that this virus is highly, highly contagious. why do you jump to erratic conclusions based on so few cases. Do you realize the numbers are likely to normalize once there's a lot more data to input into the model? |
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(OP) User ID: 73110508 United Kingdom 02/22/2020 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Found your comment on Diamond Princess OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76871995 Infection rate was 17% with just 2 deaths from 3700 people in close quarters dancing and eating at buffets for weeks. Why would there only be 2 deaths? Thanks READ THE DAMN THREAD!!! Losers like you keep asking the same stupid questions about mortality rates and OP has REPEATEDLY stated his model is designed to project INFECTION RATES ONLY. He has REPEATEDLY stated his model does NOT address mortality rates. READ BEFORE YOU POST!!! . Infection rates mean jack shit to us. Can we get it? Sure. Just like any common cold. But will it kill us is what we care about? Infection rate is what it MATTERS with this virus. Rest is poetry. Why? Because 18% of the cases need ICU. No ICU, 18% dead. The more are infected, the MORE are those that need ICU. That is step one : 18% DEAD because no ICU beds (which means ventilators, computers AND MEDICS. Step 2 : due to lack of ICU beds...EVERYONE that needs ICU beds will die : car accidents, heart failures, kidney patients, etc. etc. Add 10-12% more percent. So, in just 2 fucking steps, the mortality rate is 30% JUST BECAUSE there are no fucking beds and medics available. Step 3 : China is offline. 80% of pharmaceuticals and/or ingredients are produced in China. From diabetics to recovering patients, ALL NEED medication to stay fucking alive. Add 15% more. And I am not even TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING VIRUS DEATH RATE, just SECONDARY DEATHS ! Now you understand WHY the fucking infection rate matters and the rest is fucking poetry? Last Edited by Recollector on 02/22/2020 04:52 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31126728 United States 02/22/2020 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I was going to check out "The Road" that you posted... Quoting: Dead_Check Apparently you can no longer stream it, rent it or buy it... wonder why that is.... [link to reelgood.com (secure)] Not available to watch free online. Not available to stream on a subscription service. Not available to stream on a TV everywhere service. Not available to rent or buy. It's available on Netflix discs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78508556 Italy 02/22/2020 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MAJOR UPDATE : Quoting: deplorable recollector 87 more cases announced in South Korea. 142 announced earlier, for a daily total of 229 new cases. South Korea had 51 cases THREE DAYS AGO. Now they have 433. This confirms the R0 > 6, and not the super-spreader theory. There are NO super-spreaders. The virus is just off the roof contagious, and spreads extremely easily, with maximum efficiency, regardless of the incubation period, symptoms or not. Every infected person spread the virus in mere hours after contracting it. The pandemic is out of control. It always was. Probably the reason why WHO downplayed it, and all governments not doing anything to stop it...because IT CANNOT BE STOPPED. We are approaching the end of the month, when hundreds of thousands of people will start presenting SERIOUS symptoms, and hospitals will be assaulted by patients. It's game over. Next week will be the last "normal" week on Earth. Things will speed up this week, A LOT. Panic will start next week, in many places. SHTF by March 5-6. 2019-nCoV has been spreading for months now. People should be dropping like flies. But they're not, not outside Hubei Province. Sure, some people will die, like the two 80+ year old senior citizens on the cruise ship. But 2019-nCoV will not have the same devastating effect outside Hubei Province where the populace was sensitized with a faulty vaccine. Thread: China's Mandatory Vaccination Law Went Into Effect on December 1, 2019 - The Coronavirus Outbreak is a Vaccine Experiment Gone Bad There are indications The WHO and CDC already know this. They along with Big Pharma, and the western MSM will pull out all the stops to cover it up. Remember this over the next week or two as the doom outside Hubei Province still fails to materialize. Really? Tell that to Italy. The government there is in a 3 hour and counting meeting to discuss how to address the exploding cases. Already there is discussion of using the military and police in their response. Can you read Italian? If not, throw it in Google Translator. [link to www.repubblica.it (secure)] |
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User ID: 74916965 United States 02/22/2020 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You prove it dimwit. So far no whites have died from it. Period. That means you are under the burden to prove one did. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74418463 Wait so italians don’t count as white now? So you’re waiting for actual Anglo Saxons to die before you take this seriously? LoL good luck with that. Like I told my ex-wife, I said: honey, I never drive faster than I can see. Besides that, it’s all in the reflexes… |
girlie45
User ID: 76604177 United States 02/22/2020 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just had a frightening thought. Quoting: 3927 In a battle with myself regarding stocking up. Is it now or wait or get more supplies? Could the credit card companies suspend all transactions if this things blows up worldwide? Frick it. Not taking any chances. Will max out CC to survive. I prepped in the past and as we say on GLP it was a nothingburger. This time, it's real. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13545162 United States 02/22/2020 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just had a frightening thought. Quoting: 3927 In a battle with myself regarding stocking up. Is it now or wait or get more supplies? Could the credit card companies suspend all transactions if this things blows up worldwide? Frick it. Not taking any chances. Will max out CC to survive. I prepped in the past and as we say on GLP it was a nothingburger. This time, it's real. Theres no way you can prep agains a virus like this, you would need to be away from any type of civilization in order to not get infected.. if you want to stay in your home the virus will leak.. and if someone inside your house gets it.. everyone gets it....so theres no way avoiding this.. buy a plastic bubble and live inside |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76971893 United States 02/22/2020 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My best advice is for everyone to prepare for a deep economic recession, with high unemployment and high prices...because it is the only scenario that we can prepare for. Quoting: deplorable recollector The other scenario, it doesn't really matter how prepared you are. It will matter how skilled you are at surviving, because the world will be a very nasty place. Think Mad Max. Or The Road. IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND: Watch what other countries are doing to understand what may be coming for you. This includes Access to Information as we see in China. To control information, Internet access and cellular access can be terminated. Even if the power is on, you may not be able to digitally communicate. At that point, having a great collection of bookmarks is useless. Information that you do not have physical access to (ie print-outs, receipts, records) may be inaccessible. Print out, or better yet, commit to practiced memory, any knowledge that you will need going forward. Alternative Communications If you are quarantined or isolated without Net access, you will need alternate sources of information (tv, radio, pirate broadcast) and 2-way radios. Scenario One If you become unemployed or are unable to work (quarantine, isolation, workplace ordered to close or closes due to supply/economy), you will need access to ID, SS#, and other important papers. Economic changes can mean important financial decisions. Organize bank statements, investments, insurance, deeds, and importantly, medical and legal records. Having an accurate view of your finances will: (1) Reduce preparation stress if you have to make financial decisions. (2) Better allow you to problem solve any unforeseen circumstances. Printed and accessible records also make it easier for someone else to assume responsibilities in the event you become sick, disabled or die. Scenario Two All your "survival knowledge" will be useless as a bookmark. At a minimum, copy any important information to a local drive. Best practice, make a digital and a physical copy. Optimum: commit important knowledge to memory. |
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User ID: 77128962 United States 02/22/2020 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, a big thank you from me, too. I'm checking in regularly. Five stars a while back, and here's a bump. Yes, OP...same here. I do a lot of research for my work, but you are stellar at pulling the pieces together. Take the red pill now...later it will come as a suppository. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78238428 Brazil 02/22/2020 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72997071 READ THE DAMN THREAD!!! Losers like you keep asking the same stupid questions about mortality rates and OP has REPEATEDLY stated his model is designed to project INFECTION RATES ONLY. He has REPEATEDLY stated his model does NOT address mortality rates. READ BEFORE YOU POST!!! . Infection rates mean jack shit to us. Can we get it? Sure. Just like any common cold. But will it kill us is what we care about? Infection rate is what it MATTERS with this virus. Rest is poetry. Why? Because 18% of the cases need ICU. No ICU, 18% dead. The more are infected, the MORE are those that need ICU. That is step one : 18% DEAD because no ICU beds (which means ventilators, computers AND MEDICS. Step 2 : due to lack of ICU beds...EVERYONE that needs ICU beds will die : car accidents, heart failures, kidney patients, etc. etc. Add 10-12% more percent. So, in just 2 fucking steps, the mortality rate is 30% JUST BECAUSE there are no fucking beds and medics available. Step 3 : China is offline. 80% of pharmaceuticals and/or ingredients are produced in China. From diabetics to recovering patients, ALL NEED medication to stay fucking alive. Add 15% more. And I am not even TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING VIRUS DEATH RATE, just SECONDARY DEATHS ! Now you understand WHY the fucking infection rate matters and the rest is fucking poetry? I'm not convinced. This will pass like the Ebola doom Who cares what you are convinced of? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78487383 United States 02/22/2020 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Knightshade The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion, not on the person questioning it. I don't know of anyone that has stated that a white person (american or otherwise) has died of this virus. On the other hand, there are numerous posters stating that there are no white fatalities. Consequently, the onus is upon those posters to prove their assertion, not upon the rest of us to disprove it. Doing so will be difficult as the race/ethnicitity/nationality of all reported deaths has not yet been released. There may not be any white fatalities, but, right now, we cannot possibly know anything like that for certain. Except that the Iranians are technically white. They are Aryan and Caucasians...so, white, as far as DNA genome goes. I understand, but (and I may have missed this) I don't recall that the dead Iranians were identified beyond "Iranian nationals". I don't hold this opinion, but they could have been of immigrant stock. Either way, my point stands: the onus is on the posters claiming "no white deaths" to prove their assertion. On another note, thanks for this thread. It was your model that caused me to start tracking this topic. You are only worried about the externally pale and pinkish colored peoples? It's a good thing to know don't you think? If it truly is an Asian thing, then the rest of the world can go to work without quarantine and thus keep things moving and keep healing people. If no one knows and it isn't deadly to all, then everything grinds to a halt out of fear. |
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User ID: 76368514 United States 02/22/2020 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Knightshade The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion, not on the person questioning it. I don't know of anyone that has stated that a white person (american or otherwise) has died of this virus. On the other hand, there are numerous posters stating that there are no white fatalities. Consequently, the onus is upon those posters to prove their assertion, not upon the rest of us to disprove it. Doing so will be difficult as the race/ethnicitity/nationality of all reported deaths has not yet been released. There may not be any white fatalities, but, right now, we cannot possibly know anything like that for certain. Except that the Iranians are technically white. They are Aryan and Caucasians...so, white, as far as DNA genome goes. I understand, but (and I may have missed this) I don't recall that the dead Iranians were identified beyond "Iranian nationals". I don't hold this opinion, but they could have been of immigrant stock. Either way, my point stands: the onus is on the posters claiming "no white deaths" to prove their assertion. On another note, thanks for this thread. It was your model that caused me to start tracking this topic. You are only worried about the externally pale and pinkish colored peoples? No, I think you've missed my point. If you read the entire conversation you'll see that I'm disputing the claims that this only kills non-white people. I imagine the virus is going to kill anyone who can't fight it off - no matter the shade of their skin. |
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Knightshade
User ID: 76368514 United States 02/22/2020 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or OP, do you see any difference between the Ebola of a couple years ago, and this virus? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78145775 Ebola IS NOT AIRBORNE like coronavirus, this is the main difference. And Ebola shows symptoms too early and kills too quickly to spread like this has. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78232369 United States 02/22/2020 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just had a frightening thought. Quoting: 3927 In a battle with myself regarding stocking up. Is it now or wait or get more supplies? Could the credit card companies suspend all transactions if this things blows up worldwide? Frick it. Not taking any chances. Will max out CC to survive. I prepped in the past and as we say on GLP it was a nothingburger. This time, it's real. Theres no way you can prep agains a virus like this, you would need to be away from any type of civilization in order to not get infected.. if you want to stay in your home the virus will leak.. and if someone inside your house gets it.. everyone gets it....so theres no way avoiding this.. buy a plastic bubble and live inside Some of us have mountain cabins that we already went to a couple of weeks ago. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78232369 United States 02/22/2020 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: deplorable recollector Except that the Iranians are technically white. They are Aryan and Caucasians...so, white, as far as DNA genome goes. I understand, but (and I may have missed this) I don't recall that the dead Iranians were identified beyond "Iranian nationals". I don't hold this opinion, but they could have been of immigrant stock. Either way, my point stands: the onus is on the posters claiming "no white deaths" to prove their assertion. On another note, thanks for this thread. It was your model that caused me to start tracking this topic. You are only worried about the externally pale and pinkish colored peoples? It's a good thing to know don't you think? If it truly is an Asian thing, then the rest of the world can go to work without quarantine and thus keep things moving and keep healing people. If no one knows and it isn't deadly to all, then everything grinds to a halt out of fear. It’s critically important to know. We can’t fuck around with PC bullshit. |
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User ID: 78224333 United States 02/22/2020 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I was going to check out "The Road" that you posted... Quoting: Dead_Check Apparently you can no longer stream it, rent it or buy it... wonder why that is.... [link to reelgood.com (secure)] Not available to watch free online. Not available to stream on a subscription service. Not available to stream on a TV everywhere service. Not available to rent or buy. Just checked Amazon. Not there either. I have it on DVD somewhere in the theatre room. Maybe I need to watch it again this weekend. It's on google play and youtube movies.. It's on Netflix.. Amazon Prime supposedly.. all sorts of other services.. Get the audible book or the kindle version. Written by Cormack McCarthy. The movie follows the book word for word. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77013157 United States 02/22/2020 06:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, did you see this thread? What are your thoughts? The summary is based on the SARS virus that contains the Coronavirus, they created a vaccine that most Asians received, reinfection in lab rats shows same symptoms as people show now. All backed by proof: Thread: If I were you I probably wouldn't ignore this. |