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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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OP, you show approximately a doubling every day for cases outside of China. Please explain.

If that was the case, the pandemic would have been over in China by early January. As it is, they have yet to reach the peak of the pandemic after over two months.
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Why would the epidemic been over in China by early January?

Do you know when it started? Because not even the Chinese know.

In theory, the entire population of China would be infected in 1 month. Yes, in THEORY, and in perfect circumstances, in 31 days, the entire on China would be infected.

But in real world, there are thousands of reason why an epidemic might get slower or faster.

We don't know much about China in general, and Wuhan, especially. There is very possible, and highly probable that the epidemic was in Wuhan for a very long time, and I have no time or the will to write a paper on this subject.

The R0 is nothing but a theoretical value, that is used in MODELING, and not applied to the real world.

We know that Wuhan is a main transportation hub, and this is the main reason why the epidemic spread all over China, but we don't know WHEN and HOW.

When an epidemic starts, there is a patient Zero. The Patient Zero might not be contagious for DAYS...or he might be contagious after 1 minute. We DO NOT KNOW.

Same for patients 1 and 2, infected by P0 at some point. They also might become contagious after DAYS.
Again, WE DO NOT KNOW.

P0 might have been stayed indoors, with P1 and P2, his buddies, for 3-4 days, with booze and food...or all of them might have been traveling to separate destinations in day 1 : one to Shanghai, one to Beijing, and one to Shenzen.

WE DON'T KNOW.


So, yes, while in theory, in 7 days there might be 127 infected people...there might as well be only 13, or 17, or 310, depending on how contagious were the infected people, where they work (or not), how they travel, when and where, what social life they have, family size, where their family lives, where they go, etc. etc.

WE DON'T KNOW.


What we ALMOST know, is when the critical stages are reached in an epidemic, mainly when there are hundreds of CONFIRMED cases, in 2 or more locations, and when those cases were confirmed

From that point on, the models begin to get closer to reality...but the models are still far from reality. We still need to know the incubation period and how contagious are the people that are still in the incubation phase...but again, we STILL DON'T KNOW THAT.


Depending on the situation, an epidemic might take WEEKS before it reaches the stage of hundreds of confirmed cases, which would imply thousands of infected people.

This is a theoretical model for 2 weeks, where all the infected patients are equally contagious, and all of them infect another 2 people :
DAY - INFECTED
1-1
2-2
3-4
4-8
5-16
6-32
7-64
8-128
9-256
10-512
11-1,024
12-2,048
13-4,096
14-8,192

At the end of 14 days, we would have a total of 16,383 infected people.
(At the end of 31 days, we would have like 1.6 billion infected people).

Now, add in a single variable : the infected people are not contagious for 2 days.

Well...this means that it would take 28 days for the same number of 16,383 people to be infected.

Add one more variable : the incubation period is 14 days, and the infection chance for people within the incubation period is half of those that are symptomatic.

This means that we would get the same 16,383 people infected in 56 days.


Obviously, all of the examples are THEORETICAL. But you should get the idea. It HIGHLY depends how contagious people are in the incubation period, after the incubation period, where they live, travel, etc. etc.

What you and everyone else needs to understand is that there are critical stages in an epidemic.

We all know that China lies about the numbers, that is a given. But we also know that China took measures that slowed down the epidemic, mainly full lock-downs of cities (and withing those cities, lock-down of buildings and districts) and provinces and travel restrictions between cities and provinces.

All those measure matter in slowing down an epidemic that is already affecting thousands in 2 or more locations.


My model is a theoretical one, and it might be wrong, but it is closer and closer to reality the more time passes.

I can be off by several days, or even a week or two...the MAIN ISSUE is that except China, NOBODY ELSE took ANY measures to slow down the pandemic WITHIN THEIR COUNTRIES and BETWEEN THEIR COUNTRIES.

Sure, many stopped flights to China...but China didn't stopped flights to other countries. Taking the temperature in airports is completely useless. Well, let's say 99% useless. They might get 1-2 people here and there with fever or whatever.

But did anyone stopped flights between the U.S. and Germany? Or U.K. and Japan? Nope. Everyone is still happily traveling all over the fucking world and nobody is testing them...because it is IMPOSSIBLE to do it.


My model predicts a number of 200-250 million people infected at the end of February 15th. I am 100% SURE AS HELL that I am wrong, because I do not know how and when the first infected guy outside China got infected, who he infected, how contagious he was, the incubation period, where he lives, etc.etc.

But what I do know is that even if I am off by a week...this pandemic is full blown outside China, because NOBODY is stopping traveling between countries, inside countries, nobody is locking-down cities or areas in a city.

In other words, my model numbers for February 15th could be the numbers from February 7th., and there are only 550-700k infected outside China, instead 200-250 million.

Do you think THAT MATTERS even a little bit?

It matters not, because when we are in hundreds of thousands, the models are very close to reality, and instead of having 250 million infected outside China on February 15th...we will have them on February 23rd.

There are so many variables in a model, and if I would have posted THE ENTIRE MODEL I HAVE, it would be a fucking book or a 6 hours power point presentation.

And NOBODY would read it...heck, half the people here didn't even read the entire main post, which is nothing.


Just look at how much time and words I used to answer a SINGLE question.

But I bet a ton of people won't read this entire reply.
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OP is right on the money:

"Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the FDA said there are “certainly cases we don’t know about” in the US and he called for expanded testing because we’re “capturing 25% of cases at best.”“We’re going to see those outbreaks start to emerge in the next two to four weeks.”

"Asha George, executive director of the Bipartisan Commission on Biodefense, said there are generally seven or eight unseen cases for every known case. “It may be hundreds of thousands of cases” here ultimately, she warned.

Julie Gerberding, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said she is “very concerned about the prospects for long-term containment” and warned that “we simply don’t have the surge capacity” to handle a widespread outbreak.

Luciano Borio (former NSC) said number of actual cases is “much, much higher” than reported & “very concerning for a pandemic.” She said it is “sufficiently lethal to stress severely the health-care system” and “we need to brace ourselves for difficult weeks or months to come. …

#US #publichealth experts came before Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee today w/ worrisome warnings: The #coronavirus is probably already in US in greater numbers than we know & should show itself in clusters in the coming weeks.

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I watched a TV news channel this morning dedicated to the African news. There are plenty of African countries having put hundreds people in quarantine, including Morocco and Madagascar.
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I watched a TV news channel this morning dedicated to the African news. There are plenty of African countries having put hundreds people in quarantine, including Morocco and Madagascar.
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Any link? ?
I didn't find anything on Google
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OP, your projection isn’t accurate because the R0 value is the average number of people that a carrier will infect during the entire time they are contagious...it is not how many people they infect every 24 hrs.
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Would be great if OP would address this comment. Basically he is saying the R0 value is spread over a period of time that is much longer than 24 hours.

You can look at it like a bank account interest rate. Not 2% daily, but 2% over a much longer period - yet the 2% figure is correct.

Is the OP compounding this infection rate daily to arrive at the model's figures?
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I watched a TV news channel this morning dedicated to the African news. There are plenty of African countries having put hundreds people in quarantine, including Morocco and Madagascar.
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Any link? ?
I didn't find anything on Google
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I have a link with partial info in French: 167 passengers in Morrocco quarantined:

[link to www.france24.com (secure)]

But the TV news talked about other countries such as Madagascar. Here is a link about a study for Africa in French too:

[link to www.lemonde.fr (secure)]

The main countries in jeopardy are Egypt, Algeria and South Africa, followed by Nigeria and Ethiopia. But the list goes on with a dozen of other countries.
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This link in French says that only 6 labs / countries can test the coronavirus in Africa for 1.2 billion people in that continent with one million chineses in overcrowded areas:

[link to www.slate.fr]

But one expects this number to be 30 soon (but when?).

This article also says that the postal service of South Africa doesn't accept parcels from China anymore!!!!
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Another link dated on Feb 13 2020 says that about 1,500 people travel from China to Africa...everyday!

[link to www.trt.net.tr (secure)]

WHO has announced that Algeria, Angola, Congo, Ethiopia, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Mauritius, Nigeria, South Africa, Tanzania, Uguanda and Zambia are countries with HIGH RISKS due to intense air traffic with China, and especially due to very low means to control the desease spreading.
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There are 80.000 African students in China, including 5.000 in Wuhan (still quarantined) according to the link above.

Needless to say that there are dozens of flight from Africa to Europe and USA everyday.
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If no African country are among those infected by the coronavirus, 'it is not because no one is infected, but because almost no one knows how to detect it on the African continent' said Amadou Alpha Sall, General Administrator of the Institute Pasteur of Dakar (the most serious (French) lab in Africa) missioned by the African CDC for the whole continent.
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With all of the above, it seems that OP's first post is true:

Feb 9th : 2,384,000 /2,980,000 infected /21,960/ 27,456 with symptoms
Serious cases needing hospitalization : 4,400 - 5,500
Africa+India serious cases (virtually undetected because there are no kits or very few and just a couple of testing labs) 53-54% of the total : 2,376 - 2,970
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OP, your projection isn’t accurate because the R0 value is the average number of people that a carrier will infect during the entire time they are contagious...it is not how many people they infect every 24 hrs.
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You are right. This is what OP said:

—-An epidemic model of R0 value over 4.0 might have lower numbers than a mathematical model built on an R0 of 2.2., because an epidemic model have the data from infection cycle, or hop.

I do not know if the cycle is 24 hrs, or 9 hrs...or 72 hrs. I have no idea, because such information is not available.

I chose my cycle to be 24 hrs, based on what a normal person, infected with the virus, does in 24 hrs : wakes up, goes to work and come back home.

Now, that person is asymptomatic at first, and he might or might not be contagious enough to spread the virus to other 2.4-2.6 people in 24 hrs.

He might get infected on a Friday, and he doesn't go to work on Saturday and Sunday. He might live alone. Or he have a big family...—-

Although OP is correct that there are a lot of variables (no.of contacts, how transmitted, etc), we DO know that the infectious period is something like 2 weeks give take so the R0 is the average person to person infections DURING THAT PERIOD, not in 24 hours.

The R0 is THE MOST IMPORTANT number and can create wildly different results.
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OP, your projection isn’t accurate because the R0 value is the average number of people that a carrier will infect during the entire time they are contagious...it is not how many people they infect every 24 hrs.
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You are right. This is what OP said:

—-An epidemic model of R0 value over 4.0 might have lower numbers than a mathematical model built on an R0 of 2.2., because an epidemic model have the data from infection cycle, or hop.

I do not know if the cycle is 24 hrs, or 9 hrs...or 72 hrs. I have no idea, because such information is not available.

I chose my cycle to be 24 hrs, based on what a normal person, infected with the virus, does in 24 hrs : wakes up, goes to work and come back home.

Now, that person is asymptomatic at first, and he might or might not be contagious enough to spread the virus to other 2.4-2.6 people in 24 hrs.

He might get infected on a Friday, and he doesn't go to work on Saturday and Sunday. He might live alone. Or he have a big family...—-

Although OP is correct that there are a lot of variables (no.of contacts, how transmitted, etc), we DO know that the infectious period is something like 2 weeks give take so the R0 is the average person to person infections DURING THAT PERIOD, not in 24 hours.

The R0 is THE MOST IMPORTANT number and can create wildly different results.
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Basically this.

Nobody knows the R0 value, it can only be estimated.


My model is a mathematical one, and it is for 6.3 billion people, those outside China.


Nobody alive can make an accurate model for this pandemic. You can gather all the experts in the world, and their model will be inaccurate...because the pandemic just started.


Thank you for answering a question that would not exists if the AC claiming that my model is inaccurate (I said myself that my model is inaccurate) would have read, like you did, the thread.

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Call the President demand all chinese fights be stopped
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This link in French says that only 6 labs / countries can test the coronavirus in Africa for 1.2 billion people in that continent with one million chineses in overcrowded areas:

[link to www.slate.fr]

But one expects this number to be 30 soon (but when?).

This article also says that the postal service of South Africa doesn't accept parcels from China anymore!!!!
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I picked up my parcels from Wish two days ago....so not sure where that news comes from
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Call the President demand all chinese fights be stopped
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It’s too late.

OP made clear we are now past the point of no return. Stopping all travel to/from China now is merely going to delay the inevitable by a few days or weeks. The infection is already here.

It is no longer a matter of “if”, but “when”.

Imagine if you knew a 30-60 day hurricane is absolutely definitely going to hit your area in 2 to 4 more weeks. You KNOW there is going to be damage and destruction, looting and panic, but you can prepare for it and likely survive the hurricane, the looting, and the panic-buying. If you aren’t prepared, your may still survive, but your odds are greatly diminished.

The good news is that those with healthy bodies and a robust immune system (and adequately stocked with supplies) may get infected but experience little or no symptoms, or may experience something similar to a bad flu. Infection does NOT mean Death.

But the point is, it’s too late to call Washington.

The infection is already here.
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This link in French says that only 6 labs / countries can test the coronavirus in Africa for 1.2 billion people in that continent with one million chineses in overcrowded areas:

[link to www.slate.fr]

But one expects this number to be 30 soon (but when?).

This article also says that the postal service of South Africa doesn't accept parcels from China anymore!!!!
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I picked up my parcels from Wish two days ago....so not sure where that news comes from
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Death rates may be correct....especially if thing mutates slightly, a person loses their immunity and then get reinfected.
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Thursday, February 13th, 15:00 GMT :

-8 new cases in Singapore.
-4 new cases in Japan, (NOT on the cruise ship), one of the a fatality. One of the Japan cases today is a doctor.
-10,000 people commune locked-down in Vietnam.


The day is not over yet...the week is not over yet.


Based on my model, this week is critical.


Stay close, there will be more news before this day and week is over.




As I previously stated, I expect Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to be the first after China, and this week is very important in determining where this pandemic is going.


Again, like like said yesterday, things are NOT looking good.

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This link in French says that only 6 labs / countries can test the coronavirus in Africa for 1.2 billion people in that continent with one million chineses in overcrowded areas:

[link to www.slate.fr]

But one expects this number to be 30 soon (but when?).

This article also says that the postal service of South Africa doesn't accept parcels from China anymore!!!!
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I picked up my parcels from Wish two days ago....so not sure where that news comes from
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Is 'Wish' the SA state postal service? Or maybe the decision is more recent than two days ago?
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OP, your projection isn’t accurate because the R0 value is the average number of people that a carrier will infect during the entire time they are contagious...it is not how many people they infect every 24 hrs.
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Would be great if OP would address this comment. Basically he is saying the R0 value is spread over a period of time that is much longer than 24 hours.

You can look at it like a bank account interest rate. Not 2% daily, but 2% over a much longer period - yet the 2% figure is correct.

Is the OP compounding this infection rate daily to arrive at the model's figures?
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The R0 is an average, you can use that figure for what ever time frame you want, as long as you use that figure consistently. There are a few videos on YouTube that explain how to come up with this number yourself.
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Thursday, February 13th, 15:00 GMT :

-8 new cases in Singapore.
-4 new cases in Japan, (NOT on the cruise ship), one of the a fatality. One of the Japan cases today is a doctor.
-10,000 people commune locked-down in Vietnam.


The day is not over yet...the week is not over yet.


Based on my model, this week is critical.


Stay close, there will be more news before this day and week is over.




As I previously stated, I expect Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to be the first after China, and this week is very important in determining where this pandemic is going.


Again, like like said yesterday, things are NOT looking good.
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The thing is with such a long incubation period you're not seeing where it is going, you're seeing where it's been. Kinda of like light from the sun. When you look at the sun you're not seeing the sun it's present condition, you're looking at sunlight that is 8 minutes in the past, because that's how long it takes for light to get from there to here. So these "new" infections could have actually occurred two weeks ago, but we're just now seeing it.
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Thursday, February 13th, 15:00 GMT :

-8 new cases in Singapore.
-4 new cases in Japan, (NOT on the cruise ship), one of the a fatality. One of the Japan cases today is a doctor.
-10,000 people commune locked-down in Vietnam.


The day is not over yet...the week is not over yet.


Based on my model, this week is critical.


Stay close, there will be more news before this day and week is over.




As I previously stated, I expect Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to be the first after China, and this week is very important in determining where this pandemic is going.


Again, like like said yesterday, things are NOT looking good.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


The thing is with such a long incubation period you're not seeing where it is going, you're seeing where it's been. Kinda of like light from the sun. When you look at the sun you're not seeing the sun it's present condition, you're looking at sunlight that is 8 minutes in the past, because that's how long it takes for light to get from there to here. So these "new" infections could have actually occurred two weeks ago, but we're just now seeing it.
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Sure, but you can predict where is going.

I hope you understand this.
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BREAKING NEWS - WARTIME STATUS (MARTIAL LAW) DECLARED FOR THE CITY OF #BEIJING

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And the week is not over...

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BREAKING NEWS - WARTIME STATUS (MARTIAL LAW) DECLARED FOR THE CITY OF #BEIJING

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And the week is not over...
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Suggestion to OP

Would be a good idea to edit your thread title to include the page number of latest update before posting it.
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Thursday, February 13th, 15:00 GMT :

-8 new cases in Singapore.
-4 new cases in Japan, (NOT on the cruise ship), one of the a fatality. One of the Japan cases today is a doctor.
-10,000 people commune locked-down in Vietnam.


The day is not over yet...the week is not over yet.


Based on my model, this week is critical.


Stay close, there will be more news before this day and week is over.




As I previously stated, I expect Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan to be the first after China, and this week is very important in determining where this pandemic is going.


Again, like like said yesterday, things are NOT looking good.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


More critical is how transparent and effective their health care systems are. The sars-cov2 virus may spread, but traditionally fatality is inverse to Ro.

Until we see confirmed causes of death outside China, I'm not concerned until anyone but China starts evaluating cases the way they should be.
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Knock, Knock Here I Am – One of the individuals quarantined at Lackland Air Force Base (San Antonio, Texas) is confirmed CoV infected. I am in Houston Texas right down the street from San Antonio. As this pandemic (it will be announced today) expands throughout the globe, global panic will soon arrive too. I have to say I am still optimistic about the personal health outcome at least here in the USA. The Economy is a much different story (my future post on this is coming). Check out this link to the London super spreader [link to nypost.com (secure)] This is A reason why I am still optimistic about the overall health of certain ethnic individuals that become infected with this virus. The very best thing anyone of us can do for ourselves and family right at this point is - get as healthy now as possible and immediately address any slight sickness. This virus situation will only escalate in several arenas – infections of course, markets, others and politics will be in the forefront very soon. We are living in very special times and much much more is to come in the days ahead. Be smart and safe.

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