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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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here in italy the geographical distribution of the cases has never changed

the greatest part in northern italy, very few in the south. some more case in the south lately, probably because of the tourists

i think this virus is largely influenced by environmental factors: mainly the wind and the horography. northern italy is a plain with no wind, southern italy is very mountainous with a lot of wind. southern italy is very similar to greece, country with few cases too.

it would be interesting to see if the same factors influence the epidemic also in other countries
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In Po valley there's also a lot of smog
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"Coronavirus, international study alert: more infections in polluted areas" from Repubblica, today

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(CDC's chief of staff, deputy chief of staff depart from agency
, August 15, 2020 )


Thoughts?

as i remember one image from a 4chan forums , there was something like 'Ask Kyle about this' (?)

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DR thanks for your regular updates and feedback.

What are your thoughts on T-cell immunity which is being discussed as a possible saviour for this Pandemic?

Some sources are suggesting the 50% of the population may be immune to or able to fend off COVID-19 easily as the sequencing of the virus is so similar to other human coronaviruses to which we already have strong T-cell immunity.

For example...
[link to www.nature.com (secure)]

This may mean we are much closer to herd immunity levels?
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I have already stated my opinion on this.


We will see, after mid-October, if this is the case or not. I personally expect that it won't, and T-cell hopeburgering will fail, like the other previously 20+ miracles that were supposed to save us from the virus.
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
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Coronavirus: Winter plans revealed in leaked Sage report

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The model attempts to calculate excess deaths in England and Wales between July 2020 to March 2021. These are deaths over and above what would normally be expected during that period and are based on ONS data.

The model has been adjusted to account for people who would have been expected to die because they have other illnesses.
It said in England and Wales there could be 81,000 excess deaths due to Covid, plus 27,000 excess deaths from non-Covid causes.
In Scotland there could be 2,600 direct Covid deaths, and 1,900 in Northern Ireland.

In addition to excess deaths, the model also suggests how many people may need hospital treatment between November and March, including intensive care.

The figures, which the scientists say have a wide range of uncertainty, suggest around 2.4% of infected people could be hospitalised (range: 0.0%-8.9%) with 20.5% of hospitalised patients going into ICU (range: 1.5% - 35.25) and 23.3% (range: 1.2% - 43.3%) of all hospitalised patients dying.

The model also predicts an overall infection fatality ratio of 0.7% (0.0% - 9.7%).
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


I would like to have something to say to counter that argument, but I don’t.

It applies to human response to many kind of threats, not only the pandemic, normalcy is valued above everything else. As an example, I live in an area where highly destructive EQs and Tsunamis happen at an average of 150 years, and no one ever takes this in account when planning land usage, urban development or anything. It’s simply a too vague threat to take in account, not here and now.’
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Yep, we are fucked.
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Yep, we are fucked.
 Quoting: The Gathering Storm


DR, this is a bold and almost hopeless prediction/assumption. Do you see this as an worldwide or more sectional?

There is seemingly a force that's driving the Hoaxtards to assemble and spread this belief all around the world. It's frustrating.

It's hard to accept that our society is so fragile that we are conducting our own demise. Doesn't help that the supposed health agencies can't get their shit straight adding to the confusion and conspiracy junk thoughts.
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector



But could it not be now tjat they are testing a lot lot more people they are picking up rhe asytomatic people.
This removes them from the chain and reduces that silent load that caused the issues with people getting more ill.

These people in the first wave never got picked up or found and caused massive viral load.

This could have a huge impact on reducing hospitals
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"Smart working can work at special times and occasions, but it can't become either the general rule or the future, unless you want to massacre trade and services, deserting neighborhoods and cities at the risk of even diminishing security."

This is the statement of the leader of Italy's main political party.

Smart working reduces the spread of the virus and pollution.
But if people don't move from home, causing the crisis of transport, fuel station, restaurants, bars, office and housing owners.
If this pandemic creates a serious economic crisis and the rebirth of a society based on a more sustainable model, I will be glad.
(sorry for my bad English)
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Yep, we are fucked.
 Quoting: The Gathering Storm



Well. Back to prepping.
First tell the truth, then give your opinion....
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Doesn't it look like the political communication strategy is gradually changing in the EU zone countries...?


UK Minister of Health, Matt Hancock: "If the cases increase - he warned - we must adopt very extensive local lockdowns or take further national actions. We do not rule it out, but we would prefer not to".

[link to www.ansa.it (secure)]


It resembles Macron's words almost perfectly...

Merkel herself is starting to change her communication strategy. She wants to save economy but, at the same time, she stated: "We should avoid a second paralyzing lockdown".

From my perspective it is not a complete "refusal" of lockdown... Looks like more a "fear"... Or, maybe, a way to psychologically prepare the masses to what is coming.

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Doesn't it look like the political communication strategy is gradually changing in the EU zone countries...?


UK Minister of Health, Matt Hancock: "If the cases increase - he warned - we must adopt very extensive local lockdowns or take further national actions. We do not rule it out, but we would prefer not to".

[link to www.ansa.it (secure)]


It resembles Macron's words almost perfectly...

Merkel herself is starting to change her communication strategy. She wants to save economy but, at the same time, she stated: "We should avoid a second paralyzing lockdown".

From my perspective it is not a complete "refusal" of lockdown... Looks like more a "fear"... Or, maybe, a way to psychologically prepare the masses to what is coming.
 Quoting: Leonero


Today's post from the main thread

France is going crazy.

The hospital near me has reached "overload", the numbers given by the government are fake, they say facilities are empty but it's wrong. I know it because local news outlet and healthcare workers I know are reporting the overload even if the government denies it.

Sirens are wailing night and day, I have counted at least 20 sirens a day in my town and it's no big one, I have seen some ambulances in my streets with paramedics taking coughing people.

My GP tells "coronavirus is everywhere, most common medical issue these days" but the government still goes ahead with "live with the virus" "go on as normally as possible".

We are reopening schools and work as normally as possible, with no social distancing or whatever, only masks, over half of the masks french use have NOT ANY FILTRATION properties and are shown to be as effective as paper tissue to blow your nose.

Myself I am an older teacher with several major lung issues and overweight. We have no protection at all. Only paper masks, not N95 respirators or so. There are no measures at all in schools. Up to 38 students in the same classroom without distancing, windows are locked.

Government says to protect the vulnerable but it's fake, even in an area as infected as mine teachers with major comorbidities have to work without any protection.

I don't know what to do, being as sick as I am, I'm just probably going to die.
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All ur predictions r now off timeline
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Waiting for an update

France, Spain and Italy are openly discussing a second lockdown
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UPDATES FROM ITALY

+1365 new positive cases
+ 4 deaths
+ 82 patients hospitalized (1251 currently hospitalized)
+ 7 ICU (currently 86 patients in ICU)
+ 312 recovered

Source
[link to www.corriere.it (secure)]


+490 new epidemic clusters (currently total of 1374 active clusters)

[link to tg24.sky.it (secure)]
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Waiting for an update

France, Spain and Italy are openly discussing a second lockdown
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Op i know you'll have an update soon.
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UPDATES FROM ITALY

+1365 new positive cases
+ 4 deaths
+ 82 patients hospitalized (1251 currently hospitalized)
+ 7 ICU (currently 86 patients in ICU)
+ 312 recovered

Source
[link to www.corriere.it (secure)]


+490 new epidemic clusters (currently total of 1374 active clusters)

[link to tg24.sky.it (secure)]
 Quoting: Leonero


Death toll expected to rise dramatically in the coming weeks?
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UPDATES FROM ITALY

+1365 new positive cases
+ 4 deaths
+ 82 patients hospitalized (1251 currently hospitalized)
+ 7 ICU (currently 86 patients in ICU)
+ 312 recovered

Source
[link to www.corriere.it (secure)]


+490 new epidemic clusters (currently total of 1374 active clusters)

[link to tg24.sky.it (secure)]
 Quoting: Leonero


Death toll expected to rise dramatically in the coming weeks?
 Quoting: The Gathering Storm



I don't think so..
But I will keep a look at the hospitalizions and on ICU in the next weeks
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Here's the thing, Ace.

If Americans were never told about a virus via the Satanic MSM airwaves, social media, et al..no one would realize we were in the middle of a health crisis, much less a pandemic.

Average age of "COVID" death is 78.

CDC has determined that more than 90% of the deaths attributed to "COVID" have been people with 2 or more major ailments/per-existing conditions or old people in hospice.

How much more of this nonsense can we continue to accept?
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


Whether or not it is a hoax and whether we want it or not the economy will be ruined anyway. It looks like the target is to make a shift to a new technological paradigm - the 6th technological setup. Coronavirus and civil unrests/wars are parts of the game. As I can judge by situation in Kazakhstan lockdown did not help them much and the number of sick people were similar to that in Belarus without lockdown.
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Here's the thing, Ace.

If Americans were never told about a virus via the Satanic MSM airwaves, social media, et al..no one would realize we were in the middle of a health crisis, much less a pandemic.

Average age of "COVID" death is 78.

CDC has determined that more than 90% of the deaths attributed to "COVID" have been people with 2 or more major ailments/per-existing conditions or old people in hospice.

How much more of this nonsense can we continue to accept?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75991465


Read the history of the Spanish flu. People were saying the same thing. We have the benefit of heinsight now of coarse.

First wave killed only old and infirm. Most considered it ‘just the flu’.

Then the second wave came. A whole different story. And as OP relayed in a previous post, this current virus has been calculated to be worse than the Spanish flu, taking all into consideration, that’s a very simplified version of it.

How about you come back at Christmas and chime in?
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Here's the thing, Ace.

If Americans were never told about a virus via the Satanic MSM airwaves, social media, et al..no one would realize we were in the middle of a health crisis, much less a pandemic.

Average age of "COVID" death is 78.

CDC has determined that more than 90% of the deaths attributed to "COVID" have been people with 2 or more major ailments/per-existing conditions or old people in hospice.

How much more of this nonsense can we continue to accept?
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Wouldn’t the same apply to flu, heart attacks, cancer, poisonous snake bite, car accidents..etc.

if no one told you why - you wouldn’t know.

As for co-morbidities. OP has never said this is about the number of deaths. It’s about system/services saturation.

Fortunately, since you visited this thread, when your local systems no longer provide service at least now you will know why and you can think about how so few died from only Covid.
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Waiting for an update!
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Here's the thing, Ace.

If Americans were never told about a virus via the Satanic MSM airwaves, social media, et al..no one would realize we were in the middle of a health crisis, much less a pandemic.

Average age of "COVID" death is 78.

CDC has determined that more than 90% of the deaths attributed to "COVID" have been people with 2 or more major ailments/per-existing conditions or old people in hospice.

How much more of this nonsense can we continue to accept?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75991465


Read the history of the Spanish flu. People were saying the same thing. We have the benefit of heinsight now of coarse.

First wave killed only old and infirm. Most considered it ‘just the flu’.

Then the second wave came. A whole different story. And as OP relayed in a previous post, this current virus has been calculated to be worse than the Spanish flu, taking all into consideration, that’s a very simplified version of it.

How about you come back at Christmas and chime in?
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It really looks like we (as a society) are doing the same mistakes as the past...

I clearly remember many italian doctors saying, in May, that the virus became LESS contagious!

Now, they started to say that we shouldn't worry because even if the virus is more contagious, there are many asymptomatic cases.


But today a woman (in Val D'Aosta region), who was considered "recovered" and tested negative in April after a period of hospitalization... Have been hospitalized again and tested positive AGAIN.
Needless to say, doctors minimize this case and say that maybe the patient wasn't fully recovered... (without any other specific explanation of this phenomenon).


In this way, your comparison with the story of the Spanish Flu is totally correct: all countries look like are in a "denial" mode. Just like before the second wave of Spanish Flu.

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I thought it important that I should read a history about the Spanish flu in more depth. Currently watching a video.

As I said previously that I’ll recap on. First wave in the Spanish flu turned up at the tail end of the flu season (same as it did this year). People dismissed it as just the flu that killed young and infirm. (Same as today).

Second wave came. Started in mid august, got going in September, then October and November really ‘kicked off’ again drawing spooky parallels Compared with today’s situation.

I saw the US had 675,000 deaths. Currently US has 187,000 deaths. Personally after a potential second and third wave to come I can see the US topping this rate. This is after taking all into consideration that I’ve learned namely in this thread.

What seemed to happen in the Spanish flu, is that the Troops spread it. Just think about how basic travel was then? Currently covid has reached the Himalayas and tribes of the Amazon and permeated every nook and cranny of the world due to modern travel. This I believe has paved the way for a potential situation far graver than the Spanish flu.

I had to pause the video i’m watching to make this post while it was fresh in my mind..

During the Spanish flu. I understand it acquired it’s name, due to the Spanish openly/honestly reporting it’s death rate, due to it being a neutral country. Of coarse the war was going on and all involved wanted to maintain the morale of their people and not to look weak to the enemy. Point being here, is that the media were ordered to downplay the severity of the virus!! Again mirroring the situation today.

So roughly in this order, is what I believe has happened today.

Release a bio weapon in the most populous country at a certain time of year, knowing it would be spread during new year celebrations.. stay hush for as long as possible about it.. downplay it at first.. keep international travel operating as long as possible to enable a broad spread globally.. then feign concern and eventually lock down (too late).. then again downplay it.. open up again, allowing for a greater spread this time within each country.. currently we are here*.. then comes the far greater second wave, and as DR has stated we know it’s more contagious, this should in turn make it more deadly filling hospitals up.. but I sense there’s a further twist, whether it be in this fall wave or the third in the early new year of 2021, in which bodies really should be lining the streets. The vaccine plan is another story, I’m just curious as to how it mutates or develops considering it is a bio weapon for population control.

Just some thoughts there.
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496 which video are you watching?
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496 which video are you watching?
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Just going through a few now. Also reading up. Here it is







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