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WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month

 
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I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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1.8 billion people back in 1918. Comparing to today’s population numbers, could we see the same percentages occur? Or worse? [link to www.answers.com (secure)]
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So far, the virus has come in contact with at least half of the world population, see the numbers of the main countries affected, USA 187 thousand dead, and Brazil 121 thousand dead. Taking into account that, for each dead person there are at least 1000 infected, it can be said that both the mortality and the lethality of the virus are very low. The only possibility for a second wave to arise is if the virus gives rise to a new, more deadly strain, which so far does not seem to be happening.
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i expect total deaths to b much worse. total including deaths not directly caused by the virus such as starvation,riots,other illnesses that won't get medical care,lack of supplies including meds,etc.

in the early beginning,JAN, i did the math and came up with 1 billion dead total within 3 years WORLDWIDE. to get this i assumed the grid would stay up and function,power and water. if we lose that this # will b very low. i took the projected # for an EMP and adjusted it with the grid up than calculated that % thru the world. we still have med shortages,ppl not getting the medical care they need,ppl out of work,food shortages,etc. these will get worse. we have been very very lucky so far. the govern plan to cover up and kick the can has delayed the inevitable for now.remember when u are falling u are fine til u hit the ground.

note also, i did that prediction before we knew as much as today. there are times over the year i have thought my # is too conservative. the long term affects of the virus might delay the deaths so ppl spread the virus more.in which case the % of death rate will go way high from where it is now.

mutations have dropped the death rate down. it was running much higher 25-45% in the early months.was running 25% in the early datys in the US. as more testing has found more assymptomatics that % is much lower. but 2nd infections and long term health effects are not yet being reported well enuf to know.

stock pile and stay safe folks
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I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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1.8 billion people back in 1918. Comparing to today’s population numbers, could we see the same percentages occur? Or worse? [link to www.answers.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77153496


So far, the virus has come in contact with at least half of the world population, see the numbers of the main countries affected, USA 187 thousand dead, and Brazil 121 thousand dead. Taking into account that, for each dead person there are at least 1000 infected, it can be said that both the mortality and the lethality of the virus are very low. The only possibility for a second wave to arise is if the virus gives rise to a new, more deadly strain, which so far does not seem to be happening.
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Yes. I’m suspecting as DR is saying that due to it being more contagious, this alone will in turn cause it to be more deadly. But more to the point, it seems that there is a further plan for the third wave. So part two of the bio weapon will concentrate on spread, Will it then lay dormant and be activated in the third wave where it becomes really deadly for more people abruptly?

In order to provide the fear needed to force a vaccination that’s what needs to happen. And Moreso if it’s for depopulation then it’s got a way to go. I’m very curious at this stage. We had it start when the flu season was almost done, starting from nothing in all countries. Now we have a well laid spread across all countries giving a far greater base to start from, right at the beginning of the flu season. I suspect a swift change soon, very swift, that will take many off guard.
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i expect total deaths to b much worse. total including deaths not directly caused by the virus such as starvation,riots,other illnesses that won't get medical care,lack of supplies including meds,etc.

in the early beginning,JAN, i did the math and came up with 1 billion dead total within 3 years WORLDWIDE. to get this i assumed the grid would stay up and function,power and water. if we lose that this # will b very low. i took the projected # for an EMP and adjusted it with the grid up than calculated that % thru the world. we still have med shortages,ppl not getting the medical care they need,ppl out of work,food shortages,etc. these will get worse. we have been very very lucky so far. the govern plan to cover up and kick the can has delayed the inevitable for now.remember when u are falling u are fine til u hit the ground.

note also, i did that prediction before we knew as much as today. there are times over the year i have thought my # is too conservative. the long term affects of the virus might delay the deaths so ppl spread the virus more.in which case the % of death rate will go way high from where it is now.

mutations have dropped the death rate down. it was running much higher 25-45% in the early months.was running 25% in the early datys in the US. as more testing has found more assymptomatics that % is much lower. but 2nd infections and long term health effects are not yet being reported well enuf to know.

stock pile and stay safe folks
 Quoting: JAZZz50


The governments are playing people like fiddles. That is clearly showing how their propaganda is at play. They’re the masters at that, so many have bought the bait. Also I think the viral loads will be like never seen before, and also the shelf life of this virus on objects. As I said, it was the back end of flu season. Wasn’t too cold here, now we have a full winter of cold temperatures ideal for keeping this thing alive and spreading it, plus the lowering of immune systems.

We should see the results very soon. I’m following the trend here in Czech. It never had a proper first wave as they closed early. Just back in august it had already exceeded its first wave peak. I can see the trend developing clearly now. The chart is poised to become a mountain in coming weeks months. Wouldn’t even like to hazard a guess as to just how many times greater this wave here will be. Not just ten or twenty times greater, more than that even. What’s happened here has bolstered DR’s predictions and data.
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Maybe 5%, not 50%

I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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1.8 billion people back in 1918. Comparing to today’s population numbers, could we see the same percentages occur? Or worse? [link to www.answers.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77153496


So far, the virus has come in contact with at least half of the world population, see the numbers of the main countries affected, USA 187 thousand dead, and Brazil 121 thousand dead. Taking into account that, for each dead person there are at least 1000 infected, it can be said that both the mortality and the lethality of the virus are very low. The only possibility for a second wave to arise is if the virus gives rise to a new, more deadly strain, which so far does not seem to be happening.
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Maybe 5%, not 50%

I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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1.8 billion people back in 1918. Comparing to today’s population numbers, could we see the same percentages occur? Or worse? [link to www.answers.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77153496


So far, the virus has come in contact with at least half of the world population, see the numbers of the main countries affected, USA 187 thousand dead, and Brazil 121 thousand dead. Taking into account that, for each dead person there are at least 1000 infected, it can be said that both the mortality and the lethality of the virus are very low. The only possibility for a second wave to arise is if the virus gives rise to a new, more deadly strain, which so far does not seem to be happening.
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The big debate - 5 or 50%. All down to T-cell immunity which is still up in the air for debate?
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

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Re: WW3 Europe front. UPDATE page 532 -February 2024, the decisive month
Maybe 5%, not 50%

I posted this before, but really worth doing it again if anyone hasn’t read it. The parallels compared to today are striking

We have the same corruption in leadership and same stupid selfish practices as back then. Surely this equals the same result?


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1.8 billion people back in 1918. Comparing to today’s population numbers, could we see the same percentages occur? Or worse? [link to www.answers.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77153496


So far, the virus has come in contact with at least half of the world population, see the numbers of the main countries affected, USA 187 thousand dead, and Brazil 121 thousand dead. Taking into account that, for each dead person there are at least 1000 infected, it can be said that both the mortality and the lethality of the virus are very low. The only possibility for a second wave to arise is if the virus gives rise to a new, more deadly strain, which so far does not seem to be happening.
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The big debate - 5 or 50%. All down to T-cell immunity which is still up in the air for debate?
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I would not call it immunity but protection. Some people are probably better protected from dying from the virus, but not from getting infected again and again.
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September 1st, 2020.


The second wave of the pandemic is about to start.

What we have witnessed, to date, was a minuscule first wave between Feb-May, in the Northern Hemisphere, most affected countries being a handful of Western European countries (U.K., Italy, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands) and several U.S. states (New England states and California).


Once the lock-downs were lifted, a massive resurgence (albeit, heavily reduced due to warmer weather, residual lock-down effects, no schools, no in-door events and a part of the population wearing masks and reducing their exposure, vacation time, etc.) of the pandemic started in the U.S., with the first wave in the Southern hemisphere, which heavily affected many countries in Africa and Latin&South America.


Europe was a little bit later, due to lock-downs not being removed as fast as in the U.S. while also being more restrictive and slower with reopening phases.


When the lock-downs were lifted after 2 months, and not 3, (as I was personally expecting), in order to push the resurgence of the first wave closer to September, and moving to the second wave with a minimal load of the first wave resurgence, my most feared scenario (the one when the second wave will start at the back of the first wave) was bound to happen, and it happened.


This month is going to be the month when second wave starts. Schools will be fully reopened in Europe and the U.S. Everyone will return to work, vacation time is over.

The effects of schools reopening and people returning to work will not be fully felt this month. Yes, the number of cases will increase, but it won't be as drastic as people expect.


Schools and workplaces are the main driving force of the second wave, paired with the use of mass transit. It will take roughly 3 to 4 weeks to see the effects of people coming back to work, and about 6 weeks to see the effects of schools reopening.



The governments will continue with localized lock-downs, closures of businesses, quarantining and isolating sick students and their classmates, schools closures, etc. These measures will have a dual effect on the pandemic : first, it will initially slow down the spread of the virus at workplaces and schools, and secondly, it will give the governments a false image of "containing" the virus.


I do not expect any nation-wide lock-downs this month, unless a really bad outbreak will take place somewhere, but sometimes around mid-October, as I stated multiple times, the decision for nation-wide lock-downs will have to be taken. Whether it will be taken or not, that remains to be seen.


The height of the second wave will be reached in November, but it will be conditioned by lock-downs starting in October. If nation-wide lock-downs won't be in place in October, the countries that will choose the no lock-down path, will reach the peak of the second wave in January, and that peak will be catastrophic.


Not only that the number of cases will explode, come October, but the influx of hospitalizations will keep rising, many countries in the Northern Hemisphere reaching their ICU full usage before November.


We are now at the point where the number of new hospitalizations is roughly equal with the number of discharges, with ICU usage slowly, but surely, rising weekly. From now on, it will only go up, both for hospitalizations and ICU, in the Northern Hemisphere.


The worst decision ever was reopening the schools. Most children are asymptomatic, but also much more contagious. Detection of new infections is already limited by testing capacity, which is pretty much the maximum we can do, either because lack of labs, lack of testing kits or lack of regeants for tests.


The schools will stay open, for a good while. I am expecting an infection rate of about 0.5% in the first week of school, a 1% in the second week, a 3% in the third week and about 5% in the fourth week of school, and this is with a perfect detection, contact tracing and schools closures.

Most countries won't be able to do it, and about 6 weeks after the schools will be open, the infection rate will be close to 10%.

Once this percentage is reached, we will also reach an additional 3-4% infection rate for the parents, and another 1-2% infection rate at workplaces, again, with perfect detection, contact tracing and closures of businesses.


Basically, if the schools will be open for 6 weeks, there will be an additional case load of 15% in the general population, by November.

This will be about 3 times more compared to the first wave, but it most likely be higher then that, for most countries choosing to keep schools open and avoiding nation-wide lock-down.


Economically speaking, in a world based on consumerism, we need at least December sales to be "normal", which means that nation-wide lock-down will either be avoided until January, or, they will take place in October and November, with a reopening in December.


As I said before, if we reach November without nation-wide lock-downs, or at least full closure of the schools, the pandemic will devastate Europe and the U.S., the effects being similar, if not worse, then a lock-down.


We are already having a shortage of qualified healthcare workers, and there is a constant load on hospitals, most medics and nurses being at their limit. We can continue like this for another month or two, but only if hospitalizations and ICU usage will start to dwindle.


I expect the contrary, with schools being reopened, and people returning to work from their vacations.




I have a working theory on the virus, and by mid-October, it will be proven true or not.

Basically, I have always wondered why children are virtually asymptomatic, and the elderly were basically condemned to death, once they got infected.

Sure, the much weaker immune system and the presence of other health issues, are making the death rates among the elderly very high, but why the pneumonia, as the main symptom, is so grave?


My theory is that the virus, when started to spread, back in January, most exposed hosts were adults, and the virus primary functions are to replicate and avoid detection by the immune system. When most of the hosts were adults, with an immune system stronger then elderly, but weaker then a younger person or a child, the virus mutation were designed to replicate inside a normal adult body, while also avoiding the detection of a normal adult immune system.

When the virus mutates between hosts, it gets better at replicating at a certain rate, in order to avoid detection by the immune system. When the immune system detects and reacts to the presence of the virus, the virus, initially, starts to replicate faster, trying to overcome the immune response.


Now, the elderly have a much weaker immune system, and if being exposed to a mutation that is designed for a fairly strong immune system (adults), the virus replicates much faster while also overcoming the immune response from the start.

Older people, when infected with such mutations, which were (and still are) predominant among adults, were unable to detect it, the virus replicates much faster, and pneumonia, as a symptom, is very serious, and paired with underlying health issues, leads to a high death rate.


With children and younger people, it was the opposite. Their immune system is stronger then adults, they don't have underlying health issues, and when infected by mutations characteristic to adult immune systems, the virus cannot avoid detection, it replicates much faster (children have massive viral loads), but the immune system is able to fight it off, avoiding installation of symptoms.


However, schools were closed very early in the pandemic, much earlier then lock-downs, and the virus did not had enough young hosts to mutate in order to have strains that are designed for strongest of the immune systems.


If my theory is correct, and schools will stay open for 6 weeks or more, new strains will appear among younger people and children, strains that will be designed to replicate at lower rates and avoid being detected by stronger immune systems.


Those strains will lead to a much higher hospitalization rates, higher ICU usage and higher death rates among adults (close to 10%), while elderly will be killed much faster and death rates among those 70+ will be close to 100%.


Overall, if my theory is correct, by mid-October we will see ICUs being overloaded, much more then they are now, and death rates among those between 40 and 60 at or over 10%.


If my theory is not correct (and it is almost certain that is not correct), we will still see a higher hospitalization rates, ICU and death rates in the cold season, because the immune systems get weaker, for everyone.


The question remains : is the school opening and people returning to work going to drastically increase the number of infections, hospitalizations, ICU and deaths to the point where nation-wide lock-downs are the only way to avoid a medical catastrophe, that would otherwise kill and incapacitate most of the workforce?


We will see by mid-October.


I am personally expecting a disastrous second wave, if schools are kept open until mid-October and nation-wide lock-downs aren't in place by November.

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Thank you for the update, DR.

I hope you are wrong and I am sure so are you, but I have a gut feeling that you will be proven right again.
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Thank you for the update and your hard work on all this, DR. I fear you are absolutely right about what's to come. I'm still shocked at how many people think the virus is a hoax and are solely focused on the political division in the U.S., nevermind the rest of the world.
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Thanks for your update DR. Here in Argentina will be bad in the next month i think (some provinces are bad now (Rio Black and Jujuy are at full ICU capacity).

I live in Capital Federal (The city of Buenos Aires) and the governor of here is opening bars, restaurants and social encounters are permited to 10 people and he wanted to open schools but the national government did not let him.

The population in the city is 3.000.000 and we have 1300 infecteds day by day, but the governor say that is a slow number, but i think that is a LOT. Out of the city (all Buenos Aires) that are 17 million people, the governor is doing well not openin nothing. But they are opposite parties, the governor of my city is a shit and i have the bad luck to live here in the city.

Now im working 1 week yes and 1 week no, but i think that in one moment i will catch the virus, lot of peoeple that i know are catching it. For example my girlfriend's brother have it and some friends of mine and my gf too.

So i expect that now with the new opens and with people here relaxing, i think that in 3 weeks o 1 month, this will be a disaster.

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Thank you for your update DR!
We were all waiting for it.


I got bad news from Italy.
Hospitalizations and ICU increased again today.

We got

+ 978 new positive cases
+ 8 deaths
+ 13 ICU (new total is 107)
+ 105 hospitalizations (new total is 1.380)

+ 300 recovered
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i expect total deaths to b much worse. total including deaths not directly caused by the virus such as starvation,riots,other illnesses that won't get medical care,lack of supplies including meds,etc.

in the early beginning,JAN, i did the math and came up with 1 billion dead total within 3 years WORLDWIDE. to get this i assumed the grid would stay up and function,power and water. if we lose that this # will b very low. i took the projected # for an EMP and adjusted it with the grid up than calculated that % thru the world. we still have med shortages,ppl not getting the medical care they need,ppl out of work,food shortages,etc. these will get worse. we have been very very lucky so far. the govern plan to cover up and kick the can has delayed the inevitable for now.remember when u are falling u are fine til u hit the ground.

note also, i did that prediction before we knew as much as today. there are times over the year i have thought my # is too conservative. the long term affects of the virus might delay the deaths so ppl spread the virus more.in which case the % of death rate will go way high from where it is now.

mutations have dropped the death rate down. it was running much higher 25-45% in the early months.was running 25% in the early datys in the US. as more testing has found more assymptomatics that % is much lower. but 2nd infections and long term health effects are not yet being reported well enuf to know.

stock pile and stay safe folks
 Quoting: JAZZz50


The governments are playing people like fiddles. That is clearly showing how their propaganda is at play. They’re the masters at that, so many have bought the bait. Also I think the viral loads will be like never seen before, and also the shelf life of this virus on objects. As I said, it was the back end of flu season. Wasn’t too cold here, now we have a full winter of cold temperatures ideal for keeping this thing alive and spreading it, plus the lowering of immune systems.

We should see the results very soon. I’m following the trend here in Czech. It never had a proper first wave as they closed early. Just back in august it had already exceeded its first wave peak. I can see the trend developing clearly now. The chart is poised to become a mountain in coming weeks months. Wouldn’t even like to hazard a guess as to just how many times greater this wave here will be. Not just ten or twenty times greater, more than that even. What’s happened here has bolstered DR’s predictions and data.
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You start from conjectures that are interesting but unproven: 1 - The virus is a bio-weapon, 2 - It will become stronger, more deadly or more contagious. I cannot guarantee that these premises are false, but neither can I admit that they are true. Reality data is more important than hypotheses, and reality shows that a second wave is unlikely, for a simple reason: The number of people exposed to the virus is increasing due to the end of lock-downs, and yet cases and deaths have been lower. I live in São Paulo, a state in Brazil where more than 45 million people live, in the second country most affected by the virus. Total deaths in the entire state of São Paulo in the last 3 days: 08/29: 24, 08/30: 21, 08/31: 10, probably today the number of deaths will be less than 10. If the contamination curve and deaths are decreasing, even with relaxation of social isolation, how can a second wave take space? I am not saying that a second wave is impossible, I just say that it is unlikely.
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Here in Texas, our Governor is planning to make some big announcements next week to begin re-opening the State back up because the number of hospitalizations have dropped. This is the same exact thing he did back in May, then the number of cases exploded. This guy doesn't learn a thing.
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Thank you for your update DR!
We were all waiting for it.


I got bad news from Italy.
Hospitalizations and ICU increased again today.

We got

+ 978 new positive cases
+ 8 deaths
+ 13 ICU (new total is 107)
+ 105 hospitalizations (new total is 1.380)

+ 300 recovered
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Bad news?
What about the days when there were 5000 positive cases and 2,000 deaths ?
Caution is a good thing, always seeing the bad side of everything is a disease.
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Mid October was the Uncle Doom date as well.

Time to double prep.....

UK Keep Calm Sma
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
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Yep, we are fucked.
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Well. Back to prepping.
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We stopped?
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Never stopped but might go up a gear from 3 months stores....
Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way……

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Thanks for the update DR, I was dreading Sept as my son was going to start back for his college fall semester on Aug. 25th, however all of his classes emailed him and said that they were going to be online from the start (should have saved my money on the school clothes we bought).

I am trying to boost our immune systems for the fall and winter, luckily I am retired and don't have to go out and work so I only go out for food every 2 weeks or so, and to keep my preps rotating.

you said that your theory may be wrong, is it going to be worse than you think, or better?

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Never stopped but might go up a gear from 3 months stores....
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Oh my goodness man!!!!

I know I was hollering at you to do more!!! Please do!!! I kept it at it..... and still adding more, monthly.

You have a family!!!! Pitter patter!!!
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DR, I also don't think that you will see lockdowns before Nov. 3rdin the USA, as the virus has been politicized, any lockdown attempt will be seen as trying to keep voters away from the polls, and the hoaxtards are bitching about masks already.

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i expect total deaths to b much worse. total including deaths not directly caused by the virus such as starvation,riots,other illnesses that won't get medical care,lack of supplies including meds,etc.

in the early beginning,JAN, i did the math and came up with 1 billion dead total within 3 years WORLDWIDE. to get this i assumed the grid would stay up and function,power and water. if we lose that this # will b very low. i took the projected # for an EMP and adjusted it with the grid up than calculated that % thru the world. we still have med shortages,ppl not getting the medical care they need,ppl out of work,food shortages,etc. these will get worse. we have been very very lucky so far. the govern plan to cover up and kick the can has delayed the inevitable for now.remember when u are falling u are fine til u hit the ground.

note also, i did that prediction before we knew as much as today. there are times over the year i have thought my # is too conservative. the long term affects of the virus might delay the deaths so ppl spread the virus more.in which case the % of death rate will go way high from where it is now.

mutations have dropped the death rate down. it was running much higher 25-45% in the early months.was running 25% in the early datys in the US. as more testing has found more assymptomatics that % is much lower. but 2nd infections and long term health effects are not yet being reported well enuf to know.

stock pile and stay safe folks
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The governments are playing people like fiddles. That is clearly showing how their propaganda is at play. They’re the masters at that, so many have bought the bait. Also I think the viral loads will be like never seen before, and also the shelf life of this virus on objects. As I said, it was the back end of flu season. Wasn’t too cold here, now we have a full winter of cold temperatures ideal for keeping this thing alive and spreading it, plus the lowering of immune systems.

We should see the results very soon. I’m following the trend here in Czech. It never had a proper first wave as they closed early. Just back in august it had already exceeded its first wave peak. I can see the trend developing clearly now. The chart is poised to become a mountain in coming weeks months. Wouldn’t even like to hazard a guess as to just how many times greater this wave here will be. Not just ten or twenty times greater, more than that even. What’s happened here has bolstered DR’s predictions and data.
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You start from conjectures that are interesting but unproven: 1 - The virus is a bio-weapon, 2 - It will become stronger, more deadly or more contagious. I cannot guarantee that these premises are false, but neither can I admit that they are true. Reality data is more important than hypotheses, and reality shows that a second wave is unlikely, for a simple reason: The number of people exposed to the virus is increasing due to the end of lock-downs, and yet cases and deaths have been lower. I live in São Paulo, a state in Brazil where more than 45 million people live, in the second country most affected by the virus. Total deaths in the entire state of São Paulo in the last 3 days: 08/29: 24, 08/30: 21, 08/31: 10, probably today the number of deaths will be less than 10. If the contamination curve and deaths are decreasing, even with relaxation of social isolation, how can a second wave take space? I am not saying that a second wave is impossible, I just say that it is unlikely.
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There’s plenty out there to state that this was a bio weapon if you search. Been known for years this was coming. It has multiple purposes as is always the case with elite plans.. depopulation absolutely, so we know for sure be it second or third wave, they know they will get this result. (Conjecture here) will they release a new strain among the melee? That’s very likely, but not spoken of much here. Also the chip and payment cashless society is part of the grand plan (also known by many for years),

BUT the one area that is paramount, (I will touch on this briefly as I am always trying to stick to the topic at hand), is that martial law must be in place before the celestial object arrives. Terral black star has known for years they will release the contagion in time for arrival, to induce medical martial law.!what we saw this year was a dry run. Every May we have a closest oribital approach to this object. So this year set the scene for what will happen in likely 2021.

Global martial law and lockdown will be in place for May 2021. The months leading up to this will be lockdown. So third wave should happen in January as the first started this year, setting the scene for the same pattern of lockdown. So with that in mind we can maybe gauge what timing will they do a second lockdown? (Based on DR’s latest post) Some even suggest a lockdown throughout the winter, I don’t know about that. I’m quite sure if the second wave isn’t up there with lethality (regardless if it’s deadlier or not) the third will bring in the result. Timing was everything here and they played it absolutely perfectly.
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Thanks very much for the update DR! Always look forward to your insight!

I have had to compromise with sending the kids back. I didn’t want to, but I’m being forced into it shall we say. I’ve delayed the going back for two weeks, in the hope that cases will rise and then this will give me something to go with. It is what it is. But awareness is everything. Thanks for the added knowledge base I’m going to see how this plays out. Take care!
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OP have you even looked at: [link to swprs.org (secure)]

Think you are starting to believe what you are posting yourself it’s not at all mad max!!! Here’s the first 9 out of 30...so below the 50%

Overview

According to the latest immunological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) in the general population ranges between 0.1% and 0.5% in most countries, which is comparable to the medium influenza pandemics of 1957 and 1968.

For people at high risk or high exposure (including health care workers), early or prophylactic treatment is essential to prevent progression of the disease.

In countries like the UK (with lockdown) and Sweden (without lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; mortality is higher in the USA (comparable to 1957/1968), but lower in countries like Germany and Switzerland. However, antibody values are still low in large parts of previously locked-down Europe.

In most places, the risk of death for the healthy general population of school and working age is comparable to a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.

About 80% of all people develop only mild symptoms or no symptoms. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% develop only mild symptoms. About 95% of all people develop at most moderate symptoms and do not require hospitalization.

Up to 60% of all people may already have a partial T-cell immune response against the new coronavirus due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. cold viruses). Moreover, up to 60% of children and about 6% of adults may already have cross-reactive antibodies.

The median age of Covid deaths in most Western countries is over 80 years – e.g. 84 years in Sweden – and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. In contrast to flu pandemics, the age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.

In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid-19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.

Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid-19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 40% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
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Since the virus is fading into history we should consider banning all Covid threads.
The covidiots keep screaming two more weeks and the numbers keep dropping. Most of the US will meet opening guidelines soon. Hell, FL is on the list.
No mask tards clog things up with useless threads and misinformation. We get it. You’re a big fucking baby that can’t be bothered.

Ban it all.
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You’ve got that backward? Same as occurred in the Spanish flu we have people who are clueless. You are dangerous in fact! The people who think like this are narcissistic. A disease far more prevalent than the actual virus itself, is retardation.
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Today, there are massive protests against the virus hoax.


It pleases me immensely to see that the fundamental of my model is again, proven to be true : we, the humans, are the key to this pandemic.


And my base assumption was the most of us are stupid enough to make this pandemic a civilization ending event.


Looking at what is happening today, it is clear that most of us are stupid enough, and the virus will absolutely knock-out the civilization, after mid-October.


Considering other events that will happen before the year's end, I do not see a functional society in December. I see a society that will start to break in October and November, and be fully broke before this year ends.
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Yep, we are fucked.
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Well. Back to prepping.
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We stopped?
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Lol, no way. Just long enough to check in on this thread and the main one. ;)
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I thought it important that I should read a history about the Spanish flu in more depth. Currently watching a video.

As I said previously that I’ll recap on. First wave in the Spanish flu turned up at the tail end of the flu season (same as it did this year). People dismissed it as just the flu that killed young and infirm. (Same as today).

Second wave came. Started in mid august, got going in September, then October and November really ‘kicked off’ again drawing spooky parallels Compared with today’s situation.

I saw the US had 675,000 deaths. Currently US has 187,000 deaths. Personally after a potential second and third wave to come I can see the US topping this rate. This is after taking all into consideration that I’ve learned namely in this thread.

What seemed to happen in the Spanish flu, is that the Troops spread it. Just think about how basic travel was then? Currently covid has reached the Himalayas and tribes of the Amazon and permeated every nook and cranny of the world due to modern travel. This I believe has paved the way for a potential situation far graver than the Spanish flu.

I had to pause the video i’m watching to make this post while it was fresh in my mind..

During the Spanish flu. I understand it acquired it’s name, due to the Spanish openly/honestly reporting it’s death rate, due to it being a neutral country. Of coarse the war was going on and all involved wanted to maintain the morale of their people and not to look weak to the enemy. Point being here, is that the media were ordered to downplay the severity of the virus!! Again mirroring the situation today.

So roughly in this order, is what I believe has happened today.

Release a bio weapon in the most populous country at a certain time of year, knowing it would be spread during new year celebrations.. stay hush for as long as possible about it.. downplay it at first.. keep international travel operating as long as possible to enable a broad spread globally.. then feign concern and eventually lock down (too late).. then again downplay it.. open up again, allowing for a greater spread this time within each country.. currently we are here*.. then comes the far greater second wave, and as DR has stated we know it’s more contagious, this should in turn make it more deadly filling hospitals up.. but I sense there’s a further twist, whether it be in this fall wave or the third in the early new year of 2021, in which bodies really should be lining the streets. The vaccine plan is another story, I’m just curious as to how it mutates or develops considering it is a bio weapon for population control.

Just some thoughts there.
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Add in the accelerated death rate we have with the viral treatments they didn't have back then. How would this virus have wrought havoc back then? It would be astronomically worse if we were living in a similar time with health care as it was back then.
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Very interesting!


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Very interesting!


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Thank you for the link.

A really interesting read.


The theory explains most symptoms, and if clinical trials will start and show at least some partial success, we have yet another way to combat the disease.


It won't affect the spread, but it will lower the hospitalization times and ICU admissions, which is what matters.


Another theory that suggests Vitamin D is essential in fighting the disease. We can't be 100% protected against infection, but we can keep normal levels of Vitamin D, and that will help in lowering the gravity of the symptoms and lead to a faster recovery.

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