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Pandemics.. a cautionary tale... stay away from hospitals...

 
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Thanks CP



:panda:
 Quoting: Ricky M


I was about to say...

This HAS to do something with Pandas.
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well the official guidance has been to self isolate and stay at home

but what self interested self justifying arsehole cares for other people before themselves in this world


off they trot with their sniffles on public transport , taxis and even ambulances - especially the brits -

instagramming their drama and updating their fb page all the way


self centred shallow aresholes deserve what they get


it's just the rest of us who don't
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Tell us more. Some of that was unclear. What was the point you were trying to make on the staging?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


staging is easy:

prioritization:

thing walking wounded = sent home

non-ambular? put in a bus or taxi

then go from there.....

i was warned not to write this, but.. there you go

i can also be affirmed by many here.....

i'm not trying to scare anyone, but just to share what i know...
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


this is good info,

I think the signs are pretty obvious this Virus is Aerosol transmission in certain mutations within patients , making them super spreaders.

They have been welding folks into dwellings, full hazmat gear, the eye being able to catch it comment,

im very nervous about what places like NYC and Other high density populated areas may look like
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Good call.

Unless it's a gun shot wound don't go.

I wonder how the new medical centers we have all over the U.S. now will fare... and at what point they will shutter and close operations.

I go to them for simple shit to avoid the antibiotic resistant bacteria that have strengthened in the older-bigger hospitals over the decades.

Newer building, less time for the bacteria to mutate/strengthen.
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Obama did his best to shut them down, with Obamacare giving much better reimbursements to big city hospitals over small outlying ones. No reason, besides he wanted to kill small local healthcare.
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DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX!

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There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire.

But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
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DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX!

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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Most doctors barely look up from their iPads during a visit anyways so what's the point of face-to-face?
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panda
 Quoting: Ricky M


I was about to say...

This HAS to do something with Pandas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78406227


:Panda1:
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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Most doctors barely look up from their iPads during a visit anyways so what's the point of face-to-face?
 Quoting: BFD


One rather tragic mistake they made in Wuhan was that when they realized they had to do something about this, they gathered all the top doctors in town together for an emergency conference.

Well guess what, they all got infected from that meeting and many died. Now they don't have their top doctors any more.

They should have had a videoconference!
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But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5)
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How does this low iq schizo liar have full green karma and another pinned thread? This is why glp sucks now. Thus guy should be banned not promoted
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Tepco go home...

Honestly, if we are all going to die, I haven't told enough people who are clearly assholes to fuck off.

You are my first!!!

Fuck off!!

This is actually good info. Unless you work for those trying to suppress information.

Thanks OP!!

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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Most doctors barely look up from their iPads during a visit anyways so what's the point of face-to-face?
 Quoting: BFD


One rather tragic mistake they made in Wuhan was that when they realized they had to do something about this, they gathered all the top doctors in town together for an emergency conference.

Well guess what, they all got infected from that meeting and many died. Now they don't have their top doctors any more.


They should have had a videoconference!
 Quoting: oniongrass


Really? Well that was a pretty dumb move on their part then. Tells me that they did not know or fully understand what they were really dealing with at the time they had their emergency conference. And obviously they did not take any serious precautions to protect themselves individually.
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Tell us more. Some of that was unclear. What was the point you were trying to make on the staging?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


Likely another word for triaged. If you are severely I'll and likely to die, you may not be moved or moved to a facility closer to the mass graves or cremation effort. Likely to survive maybe you go to an outdoor tent facility run by volunteers. Different needs to different locations.

Something China is having issues with via rumor is the removal of dead bodies. They don't have enough ambulances so they enlisted taxi drivers to aid in the effort. Problem is this takes away from transporting the elderly or critically ill.
 Quoting: Exusiai


How is a dead person supposed to hail a taxi?
Any sarcasm in this post is purely intentional.
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I was cautioned not to write this, so I thought, fuckit I'll put it here...

1. Stay away from hospitals...

2. I wrote the pandamic control room software for western australia in 2008.

this is what we learned....

the same thing the chinese are suffering...

if you cannot source public transport? the whole system fails.. i know.. i wrote one....

here is why you DO NOT go to a hospital during a pandamic...

1. they assemble a bunch of people to attend to the crisis control staging room, hospital full lock down, with all the high hats... (which i was there during the test stage)... we blew up perth airport and our main hospital (all exercise of course to see how it was dealt with)

Deadre Tame was a student of mine and was the pandamic control officer for western australia, which is how i became familiar with it all and developed their instantaneous system.... ( before that is was if at best text, fax, email and phone calls)

2. the people assembled are professionals, but have no idea as to a pandemic as they have never been there....

3. Rooms are evacuated.. dependent upon ambiliatory process?.. you are staged, and removed. Making the bed available for the most infirmed.

4. The whole sequence failed without requisitioning all public transport.

5. Do NOT turn up if slightly ill... your guess would be as good as mine.. you may be dying, or or may have the normal flu.. either way it is exposure, and they will be inundated and unable to treat you. and if you are not dying from deadly shit? you may be after leaving

_________________________________________________

That said?

Water and food.......

and here's the biggy?..... if you need medication for pain and etc?... stock whilst you can..... not a bad idea in any case....
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


What I might be concerned about is pandemics. I don't give a shit about panda economics.
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American doctors and nurses don't have what it takes to work a pandemic. The majority will walk out as soon as things get difficult.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53208674


Oh you are so full of shit troll.

And (AC) you are half-full of shit. Maybe in Australia, where your medical system is not as advanced as the United States, this is the scenario to expect. But let's get a few things clear here. First, the US is not Australia.

That said, in the US the doctors and nurses who work in our hospitals are pretty hard core. They work with diseased, ill, and injured people all the time. Because the US has such a large military, many former military medical now work in civilian hospitals.

Also, US hospitals have been equipped for NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warfare since the 1950's. After 9-11 these efforts were tripled, and plenty of equipment is in storage under the direction of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Association).

The reason doctors and medical staff rarely get sick is because they are around germs all the time. Therefore, they have very robust immune systems, and they can handle the new (or novel) viruses and bacteria. It makes sense to walk into a hospital whenever you have the opportunity just to pick up a low dose of whatever is in the air. It's like getting a small dose vaccination without all the poison they put into an actual vaccine shot.

A pandemic will come to the US, and this Coronavirus will probably kill many elderly just as the flu does every flu season. But China is still not a first world nation. Their medical capacity fails miserably compared to what the US can handle. Also, the US simply has a much greater capacity to handle such an epidemic, and much more experience, knowledge, talent, skills, and resources.

I'm sorry Australia, but you should be more concerned about your country buring to the ground right now. California caught fire, and we put our fires out with massive resources, heroic effort, and tons of resources. Unfortunetly, Australia simply does not have such resources our the vast and seemingly endless supply of capital to pay for such emergencies as the US can muster up.

Finally, the US will weather this storm just fine, as we do all storms. We can take a hit. We are 350 million people strong, from the most diverse genetic population in the world. We survive hurricanes, fires, tornadoes, blizzards, blackouts, etc.,

We will survive Coronavirus just fine. If this were a real biological weapon...we'd all be dead by now!
bio hazardwaitwhat

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Op, how in the world do we decantaminate stool?
I read somewhere, it may have been here, that stool needs to be decantaminated before flushing
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thanks op. 5*s
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Seems like the virus will be clustered at Dr. Offices and Hospitals. They might be Hot Zones.
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Op, how in the world do we decantaminate stool?
I read somewhere, it may have been here, that stool needs to be decantaminated before flushing
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well the official guidance has been to self isolate and stay at home

but what self interested self justifying arsehole cares for other people before themselves in this world


off they trot with their sniffles on public transport , taxis and even ambulances - especially the brits -

instagramming their drama and updating their fb page all the way


self centred shallow aresholes deserve what they get


it's just the rest of us who don't
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Yup and the poor innocent Animals. Such horrific times.
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I'm with you OP. In a pandemic, the receiving section of a hospital is the deadliest place on Earth. It becomes a vector for spreading contagion. If a hospital sets up multiple triages OUTSIDE the emergency room to contain infection, then they've got their shit together. Few if any will have such contingency plans.

One thing I wish America copied from India's Ayurvedic medicine is the notion of teardowns on hospitals - periodically replacing entire buildings (low cost modular structures). Deadly & dangerous microorganism colonize brick & mortar hospitals. Getting secondary infections from hospital visits is a massive problem - the older the hospital, the more deadly it becomes.
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...and hand rails, door openers of every kind, shopping cart handles, store checkers touching the products to check you out, officials handling your ID, ATM and all public touchscreens, coffee pot handles at your get-your-own-coffee kwik marts, money....

Number 1 rule: never touch your hands to anything above your neck unless you've sanitized (until this is burned out).
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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Most doctors barely look up from their iPads during a visit anyways so what's the point of face-to-face?
 Quoting: BFD




I would suggest that's because they are thoroughly bored of all the non medicine which waddles in their door all day long looking to be told that being fat and idle and shallow isn't the source of all their issues


can't fix stupid , idle or lazy

so why lift your eyes when the problem is busy blaming everybody for their choices


sorry but sick of doctor bashing from some of the unhealthiest people on the planet :)
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Hi, Perth! Have you watched the videos by the lawyer Chen Qiushi in Wuhan? Basically he is saying the same thing as you - a visit to the hospital achieves nothing, and you expose yourself to infection. There appears to be insufficient transport to take patients to hospital and to remove the bodies from various locations for disposal.
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American doctors and nurses don't have what it takes to work a pandemic. The majority will walk out as soon as things get difficult.
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Oh you are so full of shit troll.

And (AC) you are half-full of shit. Maybe in Australia, where your medical system is not as advanced as the United States, this is the scenario to expect. But let's get a few things clear here. First, the US is not Australia.

That said, in the US the doctors and nurses who work in our hospitals are pretty hard core. They work with diseased, ill, and injured people all the time. Because the US has such a large military, many former military medical now work in civilian hospitals.

Also, US hospitals have been equipped for NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) warfare since the 1950's. After 9-11 these efforts were tripled, and plenty of equipment is in storage under the direction of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Association).

The reason doctors and medical staff rarely get sick is because they are around germs all the time. Therefore, they have very robust immune systems, and they can handle the new (or novel) viruses and bacteria. It makes sense to walk into a hospital whenever you have the opportunity just to pick up a low dose of whatever is in the air. It's like getting a small dose vaccination without all the poison they put into an actual vaccine shot.

A pandemic will come to the US, and this Coronavirus will probably kill many elderly just as the flu does every flu season. But China is still not a first world nation. Their medical capacity fails miserably compared to what the US can handle. Also, the US simply has a much greater capacity to handle such an epidemic, and much more experience, knowledge, talent, skills, and resources.

I'm sorry Australia, but you should be more concerned about your country buring to the ground right now. California caught fire, and we put our fires out with massive resources, heroic effort, and tons of resources. Unfortunetly, Australia simply does not have such resources our the vast and seemingly endless supply of capital to pay for such emergencies as the US can muster up.

Finally, the US will weather this storm just fine, as we do all storms. We can take a hit. We are 350 million people strong, from the most diverse genetic population in the world. We survive hurricanes, fires, tornadoes, blizzards, blackouts, etc.,

We will survive Coronavirus just fine. If this were a real biological weapon...we'd all be dead by now!
bio hazardwaitwhat
 Quoting: ThirstyMarlin


Read your whole post.

Just one of many misconception from which you suffer:

US bushires: 766,000 hectares

Au bushfires: 6.3 million hectares

Amazon fires: 100,000 hectares

And just like your guys came to assist, we came to assist the US as well.

A number of other assertions you make are so far along with head up arse syndrome its not worth mentioning.

Enjoy your wake up call because its coming, and the arrogant wont see it coming.

Last Edited by Baldrick on 02/02/2020 07:22 AM
Blackadder: Baldrick, how did you manage to find a turnip that cost £400 000?
Baldrick: Well, I had to haggle.
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1. Stay away from hospitals...

 Quoting: CitizenPerth


But here's a flip side to this. What is the antiviral medication works better the sooner you start it

What if you don't goto hospital and then end up not getting any antiviral meds and instead end up dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77887629


My info might be wrong, but I heard that China was treating this with antivirals but it didn't really help.

But let's say it does help. Given the expense of anti-virals, how many people would get them? Progressive socialist Canada doesn't even give antivirals to HIV sufferers if they are over the age of 24.
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I am fuc*ed.

I live 10 min walking from a military hospital.

And another one 15km from here is also one of the biggest in the country.
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You wrote a paper on a subject you can’t even spell correctly??


Wat?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76373471


thanks.. duly noted....

you spelled what wat?

go eat a hot pocket.. big people are talking about serious issues...

idiot....
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


he spelled it that way on purpose. to evoke this meme.
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At what point does China realize that they were attacked with this virus and nuke the US of J
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I was cautioned not to write this, so I thought, fuckit I'll put it here...

1. Stay away from hospitals...

2. I wrote the pandamic control room software for western australia in 2008.

this is what we learned....

the same thing the chinese are suffering...

if you cannot source public transport? the whole system fails.. i know.. i wrote one....

here is why you DO NOT go to a hospital during a pandamic...

1. they assemble a bunch of people to attend to the crisis control staging room, hospital full lock down, with all the high hats... (which i was there during the test stage)... we blew up perth airport and our main hospital (all exercise of course to see how it was dealt with)

Deadre Tame was a student of mine and was the pandamic control officer for western australia, which is how i became familiar with it all and developed their instantaneous system.... ( before that is was if at best text, fax, email and phone calls)

2. the people assembled are professionals, but have no idea as to a pandemic as they have never been there....

3. Rooms are evacuated.. dependent upon ambiliatory process?.. you are staged, and removed. Making the bed available for the most infirmed.

4. The whole sequence failed without requisitioning all public transport.

5. Do NOT turn up if slightly ill... your guess would be as good as mine.. you may be dying, or or may have the normal flu.. either way it is exposure, and they will be inundated and unable to treat you. and if you are not dying from deadly shit? you may be after leaving

_________________________________________________

That said?

Water and food.......

and here's the biggy?..... if you need medication for pain and etc?... stock whilst you can..... not a bad idea in any case....
 Quoting: CitizenPerth





Go home CP, you're drunk.


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I stay away from hospitals anyway. Their main surgical procedure, removal of your wallet.





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