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Pandemics.. a cautionary tale... stay away from hospitals...

 
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Had to go for a minor op the other day and so many people coming with flu etc - put me off going for redressing so did it myself at home despite paying ... And I live in the sticks outside towns etc...
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Thx for your post, OP. I think what some of us here are trackin' along is admitting the big elephant in the room right now regardless of man-made bio-weaponized doom or not is the fact that very soon in our near future hospitals will be Ground Zero for point-of-origins for so many 'super bugs' that none of our existing antibiotics will touch 'em.

Med professionals have been talking about this for a while. And given that one of the big gravy trains for big pharma is ensuring all those drs write 'scripts for whatever antibiotic de jour is on the menu, we now see the average person w/ waaay more antibiotics use that before resulting in gawd knows what.
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Tell us more. Some of that was unclear. What was the point you were trying to make on the staging?
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Likely another word for triaged. If you are severely I'll and likely to die, you may not be moved or moved to a facility closer to the mass graves or cremation effort. Likely to survive maybe you go to an outdoor tent facility run by volunteers. Different needs to different locations.

Something China is having issues with via rumor is the removal of dead bodies. They don't have enough ambulances so they enlisted taxi drivers to aid in the effort. Problem is this takes away from transporting the elderly or critically ill.
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How is a dead person supposed to hail a taxi?
 Quoting: Katipo2017


They don't, but the corpse's family or neighbors can report it in. There are also community watch groups within different subneighborhood units. A lot of people blindly report to them their illness or in some cases I'm sure there are door to door checks every so often.
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I work at a hospital. How screwed am I?
It’s on an army base at least..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73870151

simply use common freekkin sense.
gown and glove
mask and eye protection,shoe covering
like the OR
keep work shoes at work....
change foot wear before entering yer own home and have all doing it as well.

were you around when HIV AIDS first appeared ?
haz mat was the fashion......
do the same.

but what NONE are bothering to state is the "viability" OF this virus without a host or in plain english--how long does IT live outside on surfaces/droplets/--what temperature kills it or slows down transmission--do those "blue lights" destroy it ?? etc
WHY ?
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How does this low iq schizo liar have full green karma and another pinned thread? This is why glp sucks now. Thus guy should be banned not promoted
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Who actually puts a gun to your head and forces you to click on his threads dick?
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Some health insurance covers "telemedicine", you remotely consult with a doctor or nurse practitioner over videoconference, and they can prescribe drugs that way, and you don't have to meet in person.
 Quoting: oniongrass


Most doctors barely look up from their iPads during a visit anyways so what's the point of face-to-face?
 Quoting: BFD


One rather tragic mistake they made in Wuhan was that when they realized they had to do something about this, they gathered all the top doctors in town together for an emergency conference.

Well guess what, they all got infected from that meeting and many died. Now they don't have their top doctors any more.

They should have had a videoconference!
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Exactly.
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Did they check to see what would happen if someone with minor symptoms showed up waving a large amount of cash?

I mean, did they unplug other patients to open up beds for the wealthy?
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I work at a hospital. How screwed am I?
It’s on an army base at least..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73870151

simply use common freekkin sense.
gown and glove
mask and eye protection,shoe covering
like the OR
keep work shoes at work....
change foot wear before entering yer own home and have all doing it as well.

were you around when HIV AIDS first appeared ?
haz mat was the fashion......
do the same.

but what NONE are bothering to state is the "viability" OF this virus without a host or in plain english--how long does IT live outside on surfaces/droplets/--what temperature kills it or slows down transmission--do those "blue lights" destroy it ?? etc
WHY ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78377564


It survives very cold temps, but moderately high temps (under 60 C = 140 F iirc) can kill it.
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How does this low iq schizo liar have full green karma and another pinned thread? This is why glp sucks now. Thus guy should be banned not promoted
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because you are an idiot... welcome...
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I was cautioned not to write this, so I thought, fuckit I'll put it here...

1. Stay away from hospitals...

2. I wrote the pandamic control room software for western australia in 2008.

this is what we learned....

the same thing the chinese are suffering...

if you cannot source public transport? the whole system fails.. i know.. i wrote one....

here is why you DO NOT go to a hospital during a pandamic...

1. they assemble a bunch of people to attend to the crisis control staging room, hospital full lock down, with all the high hats... (which i was there during the test stage)... we blew up perth airport and our main hospital (all exercise of course to see how it was dealt with)

Deadre Tame was a student of mine and was the pandamic control officer for western australia, which is how i became familiar with it all and developed their instantaneous system.... ( before that is was if at best text, fax, email and phone calls)

2. the people assembled are professionals, but have no idea as to a pandemic as they have never been there....

3. Rooms are evacuated.. dependent upon ambiliatory process?.. you are staged, and removed. Making the bed available for the most infirmed.

4. The whole sequence failed without requisitioning all public transport.

5. Do NOT turn up if slightly ill... your guess would be as good as mine.. you may be dying, or or may have the normal flu.. either way it is exposure, and they will be inundated and unable to treat you. and if you are not dying from deadly shit? you may be after leaving

_________________________________________________

That said?

Water and food.......

and here's the biggy?..... if you need medication for pain and etc?... stock whilst you can..... not a bad idea in any case....
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


How weird this is exactly what I was telling my family right now....how weird!

God gave me some 'common sense'...
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How does this low iq schizo liar have full green karma and another pinned thread? This is why glp sucks now. Thus guy should be banned not promoted
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because you are an idiot... welcome...
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


chuckle
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Tell us more. Some of that was unclear. What was the point you were trying to make on the staging?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


staging is easy:

prioritization:

thing walking wounded = sent home

non-ambular? put in a bus or taxi

then go from there.....

i was warned not to write this, but.. there you go

i can also be affirmed by many here.....

i'm not trying to scare anyone, but just to share what i know...
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


I got it Perth, I trust you. We posted a lot during Japanese nuclear meltdown. You're a brilliant person, I can see this.

Man to man, can you lay it out as it is, no kid gloves. Give it to me straight, please.

I would appreciate it.

If not, thanks anyways. God bless and be well my friend. You really gave it good to Tepco for a while, lol.

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two things you need from hospitals in this:

1. oxygen

2. anti phlegm drugs - prescription

If these could be gotten outside of hospital
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02/02/2020 01:40 PM
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American doctors and nurses don't have what it takes to work a pandemic. The majority will walk out as soon as things get difficult.
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Best advice here during pandemic.

Never enter the system.

You may never leave.

crazyjak
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The best place to be during a time of disaster is where everyone else...isn't.
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And shelters...

Thread: Salvation Army Killing people in shelters, claims homeless man.
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Tell us more. Some of that was unclear. What was the point you were trying to make on the staging?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53652834


Likely another word for triaged. If you are severely I'll and likely to die, you may not be moved or moved to a facility closer to the mass graves or cremation effort. Likely to survive maybe you go to an outdoor tent facility run by volunteers. Different needs to different locations.

Something China is having issues with via rumor is the removal of dead bodies. They don't have enough ambulances so they enlisted taxi drivers to aid in the effort. Problem is this takes away from transporting the elderly or critically ill.
 Quoting: Exusiai


How is a dead person supposed to hail a taxi?
 Quoting: Katipo2017


Back to the little table, son.

The grownups are talking.
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1. Stay away from hospitals...

 Quoting: CitizenPerth


But here's a flip side to this. What is the antiviral medication works better the sooner you start it

What if you don't goto hospital and then end up not getting any antiviral meds and instead end up dead.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77887629


My info might be wrong, but I heard that China was treating this with antivirals but it didn't really help.

But let's say it does help. Given the expense of anti-virals, how many people would get them? Progressive socialist Canada doesn't even give antivirals to HIV sufferers if they are over the age of 24.
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You must have stupid tatooded on your forehead!
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thank you,sir
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I never watched the 201 simulation video till today.



It's like they played it out and now they pulled the trigger.

I just hope I get enough signs from around to get my gal to bail. I'm probably going to get stuck because of her.
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two things you need from hospitals in this:

1. oxygen

2. anti phlegm drugs - prescription

If these could be gotten outside of hospital
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Sambucol is the BEST ANTI-PHLEGM treatment ever!
O2 can be got from ur local Dr.
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two things you need from hospitals in this:

1. oxygen

2. anti phlegm drugs - prescription

If these could be gotten outside of hospital
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78345706


Sambucol is the BEST ANTI-PHLEGM treatment ever!
O2 can be got from ur local Dr.
 Quoting: Austere Scholar


I ordered an oxygen concentrator today.No rx req.
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Can’t stay away from hospitals if you work at one. I was assigned to work, two days in a row, with a surgeon who had the flu.

He admitted he had a fever, his head was full of snot, he was all sweaty, and he did not care that he was exposing everyone around him with his illness.

eekalert
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The person who made this thread is terrible at communication. As others have said, his post makes no sense, and comes off as illiterate.

What are trying to say OP?

What is your point?

Think about what you are trying to get across clearly, and try to articulate it.


Are you simply saying not to go the hospital if you are infected? Why not?

Are you saying its bad for OTHERS to do that, or bad for the INFECTED person?


I'm not trying to be rude at all - just honest. You make no sense.
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I could understand what was written as it clearly laid out and easily understood. Thanks again CP !
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I work at a hospital. How screwed am I?
It’s on an army base at least..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73870151

simply use common freekkin sense.
gown and glove
mask and eye protection,shoe covering
like the OR
keep work shoes at work....
change foot wear before entering yer own home and have all doing it as well.

were you around when HIV AIDS first appeared ?
haz mat was the fashion......
do the same.

but what NONE are bothering to state is the "viability" OF this virus without a host or in plain english--how long does IT live outside on surfaces/droplets/--what temperature kills it or slows down transmission--do those "blue lights" destroy it ?? etc
WHY ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78377564


I can’t really do most of that. I don’t really deal with patients directly though. Just lab stuff
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The person who made this thread is terrible at communication. As others have said, his post makes no sense, and comes off as illiterate.

What are trying to say OP?

What is your point?

Think about what you are trying to get across clearly, and try to articulate it.


Are you simply saying not to go the hospital if you are infected? Why not?

Are you saying its bad for OTHERS to do that, or bad for the INFECTED person?


I'm not trying to be rude at all - just honest. You make no sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78031681


how so?

what do you need to read to make it clearer?
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1. Stay away from hospitals...

 Quoting: CitizenPerth


But here's a flip side to this. What is the antiviral medication works better the sooner you start it

What if you don't goto hospital and then end up not getting any antiviral meds and instead end up dead.

Also, it's hard to know just how sick you are. When I was sick with a viral infection my red blood cells were not carrying enough oxygen and I just figured not being able to breath was just a normal part of being sick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77887629


I have huge blood spots all over my arm from sweeping out from under a chest of drawers with a hand wisk broom.
It looks like I have over taken heparin or warfarin, when I am not on any blood thinner at all.
I had to wear long sleeves to cover it while getting our taxes done, which is nothing unusual since I wear long sleeved year round.
I was rather shocked at how thin my blood was though.
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