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American Indian Elder
User ID: 75837182 United States 02/03/2020 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A while back, on the sit-com, Big Bang, Sheldon said to himself, "I love my mind". That's how I always felt. I was probably borderline autistic since I was reading at three and preferred that to playing outside, didnt need anyone to amuse me and lived inside my head alot. I, too, was amazed in my 80 years to find that not every one remembered dreams or knew what dreams ment. I learned dream interpretation from an Elder to become a Wabeno-Kwe and when someone told me their dream, I actually saw it like a film in my head. I wrote and created tons of movies, books and songs in my head, in full color and with sound and different voices for the characters and even smelling the sage when the wind blew in one...My dreams were equally vivid and l had prophetic visions also as young as three.Eventually, I used this to become a writer, lecturer and Native artist in oil, water color, birch-bark etc. Lack of imagiation is why some people are'broken' by solitary confinement and it means nothing to others. I never mind being alone. The nuns that taught us developed a special program for teaching Native american kids and mixed bloods(who use both sides of their brain almost equally). They figured out that Europeans were Left brain dominent and did well with math, reading and science etc. whereas we are right brain dominent and used abstract concepts, visual,symbols, color and so on. Their style of teaching enhanced everyones gifts and no one felt like an outsider or wierd, which was great because if you are squelched early on you can lose these gifts. Thanks for bringing this thread forth to the public. amdg Forgiveness means giving up every hope for a better past, In exchange for a better future. P.S. Ive always had an American Flag, now all of a sudden you gave me a Canada one. ?? Please whoever did this change it back. Not that free Ojibwe/Chippewa acknowledge any imaginary boundry lines... |
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Jenny222
User ID: 78124659 Canada 02/03/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A while back, on the sit-com, Big Bang, Sheldon said to himself, "I love my mind". That's how I always felt. I was probably borderline autistic since I was reading at three and preferred that to playing outside, didnt need anyone to amuse me and lived inside my head alot. Quoting: American Indian Elder I, too, was amazed in my 80 years to find that not every one remembered dreams or knew what dreams ment. I learned dream interpretation from an Elder to become a Wabeno-Kwe and when someone told me their dream, I actually saw it like a film in my head. I wrote and created tons of movies, books and songs in my head, in full color and with sound and different voices for the characters and even smelling the sage when the wind blew in one...My dreams were equally vivid and l had prophetic visions also as young as three.Eventually, I used this to become a writer, lecturer and Native artist in oil, water color, birch-bark etc. Lack of imagiation is why some people are'broken' by solitary confinement and it means nothing to others. I never mind being alone. The nuns that taught us developed a special program for teaching Native american kids and mixed bloods(who use both sides of their brain almost equally). They figured out that Europeans were Left brain dominent and did well with math, reading and science etc. whereas we are right brain dominent and used abstract concepts, visual,symbols, color and so on. Their style of teaching enhanced everyones gifts and no one felt like an outsider or wierd, which was great because if you are squelched early on you can lose these gifts. Thanks for bringing this thread forth to the public. When I read I see the story like a movie in my mind so does my mother. I didn’t know but a lot of people don’t have that. Also I dream in color and very vivid, lots of people don’t even remember there dreams or dream in black and white. Strange. |
Jenny222
User ID: 78124659 Canada 02/03/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you know some people can't play music in their heads. I can play any song I ever heard in my head, not perfectly but close enough. If I have no musical appliance, I can play music memories in my head. Can you? Quoting: Ducandy Yeah I can’t I just hear my voice in my head and it sounds terrible. Lol |
American Indian Elder
User ID: 75837182 United States 02/03/2020 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you know some people can't play music in their heads. I can play any song I ever heard in my head, not perfectly but close enough. If I have no musical appliance, I can play music memories in my head. Can you? Quoting: Ducandy Yeah I can’t I just hear my voice in my head and it sounds terrible. Lol That reminds me of my 12th year, I had began babysitting and actually had money. I did a super job. We listened to classical music sometimes from the BBC in canada. I loved Beethoven, especially the sonatas and when I saved up 9.oo I was able to buy an Angel label LP with 3 of them on it. Except, we didnt have a record player at home, and no outlet in our bedroom anyway.(or running water, either, and we lived on a rez that was within the city limits!!). So I would sit on the bed my sisters and I shared and hold my LP record and play the music in my head. amdg Forgiveness means giving up every hope for a better past, In exchange for a better future. P.S. Ive always had an American Flag, now all of a sudden you gave me a Canada one. ?? Please whoever did this change it back. Not that free Ojibwe/Chippewa acknowledge any imaginary boundry lines... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78284219 United States 02/03/2020 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's just that not all thoughts present in a verbal language. My thoughts are in monologue form 10% to 60% of the time on any given day. It depends on what I am doing, how I am thinking, whether I am focused on the moment, past or future, If I am in a state of worry or ease, operating more from my right or left brain hemisphere. Sometimes thoughts present as color representations, observing geometric patterns, moving strings of numbers, emotional sensations, visualizations, intuitive pull, and often internal dialog/ monologue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78377646 United States 02/03/2020 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, you're first mistake was in assuming that everyone "is just like you". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76531980 Have you ever encountered anyone on this planet in your lifetime that's "just like you"? No. Women are different from men are different from Chinese are different from children are different from retarded people, etc Most human beings are high functioning livestock. Most. Maybe 10-20% can think at the level you operate on, about half for the good, half for their own self interest regardless of it's effect on anyone else. The voice you hear is what most philosophers refer to as the conscience. It isn't you, per se, but rather a subconscious version of you that instinctively knows right from wrong, good from bad, risk from reward. It guides you, but it doesn't command you. It's loudest when you make the wrong decisions or have impure thoughts and it's almost silent when you are living in accord with your particular destiny. The vast mass of people have a different voice, what are really a chorus of voices called wants and hungers- eat, fuck, hit, sleep- those kinds of rudimentary functions and nothing much beyond that. It's a hard thing to live with, this knowledge. Good luck. I have this inner voice - it's mine. It has nothing to do with a conscience - I hear it when thinking about making shopping lists and even as I'm typing this note. It's just a way of thinking. I rarely if ever see mental images. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78377646 United States 02/03/2020 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you know some people can't play music in their heads. I can play any song I ever heard in my head, not perfectly but close enough. If I have no musical appliance, I can play music memories in my head. Can you? Quoting: Ducandy I can play music far too easily in my head. Once I hear something I like, it will go on for weeks. That's why I rarely listen to music at all. Note- I don't visualize at all, but I do conceptualize well. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78382668 United States 02/03/2020 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is a drop off between being governed by the subconscious mind(reactive mind) vs being governed by the conscious mind(proactive). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78406464 I bet the people without an inner monologue, are easily hypnotized/easily go intro trance like states. I'm going with this one.^^ In the mean time typing on glp is a waste of time. |
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Pilgrim001
User ID: 78018011 United States 02/03/2020 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea it’s pretty freaky Quoting: Miss Bunny Swan Supposedly it’s like only 20% of people have thoughts. It's just something I take for granted that everyone else is just like me. And then, one day, you discover the woman you've lived with for 20 years folds her toilet paper instead of wadding it up. Mind blown. I'm used to the mind chatter, but I wish I didn't have the same song playing over and over in the background. I think it's my brain chattering and echoing what's been said or what I'm thinking. Intelligent decisions or single thoughts come from my spirit and they don't repeat, unless my brain picks it up and echos it. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75799473 United States 02/03/2020 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea it’s pretty freaky Quoting: Miss Bunny Swan Supposedly it’s like only 20% of people have thoughts. Whoever wrote the piece in the OP must be drawn more to people who have inner monologues because his informal poll showed a large majority of his connections have it, but you're right. Studies have shown it's actually a very small percentage of the population. [link to www.psychologytoday.com (secure)] "Consider inner speech. Subjects experienced themselves as inwardly talking to themselves in 26 percent of all samples, but there were large individual differences: some subjects never experienced inner speech; other subjects experienced inner speech in as many as 75 percent of their samples. The median percentage across subjects was 20 percent." I always assumed the "inner monologue" was just part of the human experience and 100% of us have it until I saw the articles pop up about it several years ago and found the numbers who have it are so small. I wish mine would shut the hell up most days, which is probably why I'm here so much trying to drown it out. What does it mean?? I have inner monologue but wish I didn’t because language seems like such a crude interpretation of intelligence and understanding. The simple sentences in my head don’t interpret all the things going on in my vortex and subconscious, this I know. I don’t think we have any inkling of the difference between those who talk to themselves mentally and those who don’t. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9358944 United States 02/03/2020 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe most of us are npcs and this is someone else's game. Cause I wouldn't play a game that was this shitty. Or maybe I just decided to play on ultra hard mode. If that's the case next time around I'm playing on Mary Sue mode. Or maybe all of this is real and reality just sucks this bad Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78418915 ' mary' ' sue' would be the hardest ' level'... - But, ' god mode' nonetheless. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71893713 United States 02/03/2020 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Carlos Castaneda talks alot about the "inner dialog" in his books. It is crucial to eliminate it in the tradition that he writes about. According to his sources, the content of the internal dialog is first introduced by parents and then by larger societal institutions such as church and school. The objective of those institutions is to constantly bombard the child with a description of reality until the childs' mind begins automatically repeating it internally and that is considered successful indoctrination. The mental chatter is what is responsible for maintaining the continuity of ones' worldview, social identity, and even the construct of reality itself. It is a fascinating point that the leftist druggies are bent on destroying cultural language based internal thought as they are told it is the cause of all evil, however, once the ingrained internal monologue is eliminated, they replace it with a monologue of different content. So, it is brainwashing and reeducation. It is also possible that many people surveyed opted not to admit hearing any voices in their heads, including their own. |
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Everything User ID: 77753356 United States 02/03/2020 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe they are not awake walk in a dream, I don't want to think what kind of person does not have an inner voice. Imagine them walking during a red light at a crosswalk, do they speak aloud and say walk? Maybe they don't know what you mean by an inner voice or they are robots! I don't think there was a time I did not know I had an inner voice even as a child. I know this because I didn't show the anger I felt and waited to go somewhere else to let off my anger, I had to or I would have been in big trouble for either using foul language at them or beating the crap out of them, yes I could do this even to people almost twice my size. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
Éireann
User ID: 73050092 Ireland 02/03/2020 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is so foreign to me, I can't wrap my head around that. Quoting: ElleMira "And to their surprise, they did not know that the majority of people do in fact experience that echoey voice in their head that is portrayed in TV and film. Another person said that if they tried to have a conversation with themselves in the mirror, they would have to speak out loud because they can’t physically do it inside of their mind." I can't even imagine what it would be like to not have that inner monologue. I just can't even fathom it. Although, there are some days when I wish I could put a sock in it Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
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Vasily
User ID: 78275526 United States 02/03/2020 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read a lot so that’s my monologue for the most part, good or bad. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079 When I was younger I studied certain forms of meditation very seriously. After a particularly good session it was like the monologue was gone and I was at total pellucid peace, but all the info I needed was just stacked quietly on internal shelves and ready for when I needed it rather than obsessively spinning around in wearying chaos. Great post. |
BBQ BOY™
User ID: 77857043 United States 02/03/2020 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep, scary shit. Quoting: BFD I've asked several people if they can hear their own voice in their heads when they think/reason and they looked at me like I was insane. Crazy. Yeah I ask this of friends and family members several years ago, ( it was brought up in another thread) and I was surprised how many said no. Without this internal monologue how is forethought even possible? "Never underestimate the pain of a person. In all honesty, everyone is struggling. Just some people are better at hiding it than others." Everyone has to work out their own salvation. Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. |
Vasily
User ID: 78275526 United States 02/03/2020 03:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Carlos Castaneda talks alot about the "inner dialog" in his books. It is crucial to eliminate it in the tradition that he writes about. According to his sources, the content of the internal dialog is first introduced by parents and then by larger societal institutions such as church and school. The objective of those institutions is to constantly bombard the child with a description of reality until the childs' mind begins automatically repeating it internally and that is considered successful indoctrination. The mental chatter is what is responsible for maintaining the continuity of ones' worldview, social identity, and even the construct of reality itself. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71893713 It is a fascinating point that the leftist druggies are bent on destroying cultural language based internal thought as they are told it is the cause of all evil, however, once the ingrained internal monologue is eliminated, they replace it with a monologue of different content. So, it is brainwashing and reeducation. It is also possible that many people surveyed opted not to admit hearing any voices in their heads, including their own. Very interesting post. Appreciate the Castaneda reference. |