Today I learned that not everyone has an internal monologue | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78350737 United States 02/04/2020 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I work on a salesfloor... the npcs are the easy sells. Very suggestible. Quoting: coyoteblue There is nothing going on up there but some sort of primal ego-driven decision making algorithm. yep.. no GOD MIND which does think and analyze in an internal monologue and the more God intelligent one is.. the more monologue .... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78411177 United States 02/04/2020 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea it’s pretty freaky Quoting: Miss Bunny Swan Supposedly it’s like only 20% of people have thoughts. No way... only 20%? I've always thought everyone had an internal voice. Mine won't shut up. Yes ! Mind chatter call it. STFU once in awhile. I live alone and never shut up... |
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User ID: 77853541 Panama 02/04/2020 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea it’s pretty freaky Quoting: Miss Bunny Swan Supposedly it’s like only 20% of people have thoughts. Whoever wrote the piece in the OP must be drawn more to people who have inner monologues because his informal poll showed a large majority of his connections have it, but you're right. Studies have shown it's actually a very small percentage of the population. [link to www.psychologytoday.com (secure)] "Consider inner speech. Subjects experienced themselves as inwardly talking to themselves in 26 percent of all samples, but there were large individual differences: some subjects never experienced inner speech; other subjects experienced inner speech in as many as 75 percent of their samples. The median percentage across subjects was 20 percent." I always assumed the "inner monologue" was just part of the human experience and 100% of us have it until I saw the articles pop up about it several years ago and found the numbers who have it are so small. I wish mine would shut the hell up most days, which is probably why I'm here so much trying to drown it out. Yeah no shit This Of course you have to shut if off sometimes. If you continue to talk in your head you are not really listening to someone else. You are just already formulating what you are going to say next. I get the sense a lot of people do this. They aren't really listening to anyone, they are wandering or got "hooked" on some concept spoken in passing and then went off on tangent meanwhile the speaker has moved on and eventually one just "tunes" back in, I suppose but they haven't been listening. And of course were already deep in internal dialogue when the person was first introduced so therefore "missed" hearing the name. Most people are horrible with names for this reason, they were "pre-occupied" with their thoughts. You mention some great points. Regarding the part of your comment that I bolded, this isn't always due to not listening. In many cases, it's because the speaker is talking too much and not allowing the listener to get a word in edgewise. A conversation should never span from topics A, B, and C to D without the listener having a chance to chime in. If the listener finally butts in and drags the conversation back to a topic that was mentioned 10-minutes ago, it can be because the speaker didn't give the listener a chance to reply before changing the subject. This can cause the listener to get frustrated and start zoning out because the speaker is making it hard for the listener to participate in the conversation, which should be a 2-way street. It's true that it appears that some people spend more time thinking about what they're going to say next without really listening. Once they hear you say something they want to respond to, it's as if they don't hear much of anything you say after that because they're formulating a response. I look for cues that the listener is itching to reply and find a quicker cut-off point in what I'm saying so they can jump in. I know if I don't, they won't really be listening very intently by then anyway. This is especially true of elderly listeners who want to get their reply out while they still remember it. Older people need to be given more pauses in the conversation to voice their replies, or they'll be left reeling trying to keep up and really frustrated by their memory lapses. When talking, it's important to mind the listener's body language. They'll give a ton of cues that let the speaker know when they want to talk, when they want the conversation to end, if they truly agree/disagree, if they're really listening, or if they're too bored, confused, or distracted to care. Also, I think a lot of people are terrible with names, hence the need for name tags at some venues. In the business world, people will make it a point to remember your name as soon as they hear it. Otherwise, many people don't bother until they've determined that you're someone they care to know. Believe it or not, if you hear "What was your name again?" it's a compliment that means "Now that I've spent some time talking to you, I've decided that you're interesting enough to add to the Rolodex in my brain." |
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User ID: 39607259 United States 02/04/2020 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mono? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73150323 Meaning only one voice? You lucky bastards I have the entire Mormon tabernacle choir up in there Fortunately, they prefer Elvis Presley’s early work... I view my subconscious as a different me...it has a great sense of humor and when it gets tired of talking it plays music... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 648 United States 02/04/2020 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mono? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73150323 Meaning only one voice? You lucky bastards I have the entire Mormon tabernacle choir up in there Fortunately, they prefer Elvis Presley’s early work... I view my subconscious as a different me...it has a great sense of humor and when it gets tired of talking it plays music... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Excelent |
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User ID: 71056695 United States 02/04/2020 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s something else freaky. I’ve met people who say they never experience visual or auditory effects when taking LSD. WTF?! Why the hell do they bother tripping then?!?! Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo I've never had visual or auditory effects with LSD, peyote, mescaline, or shrooms. I expected them with LSD, but nothing happened. I did them because I wanted to experience the altering of consciousness, which I did, changing the nature or focus of my thoughts, and leading me to concepts I might not have thought of otherwise, and seeing things in different ways, etc. All of that was more meaningful (and less fun) than a light show in my mind. Now I'm wondering if it's the same people who think verbally/analytically that are less likely to have visual hallucinations. gnostic9 |
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User ID: 78407722 Australia 02/04/2020 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some peoples internal monologue is so intergrated that it is not an experience of separation, but a direct flow into consciousness. " A knowing ' Last Edited by PINKORCHID- In the Light on 02/04/2020 06:58 PM Warning proceeding to read this may cause anxiety, poster is indemnified if you proceed. I can't give you the ultimate truth ,it's all a matter of perspective and spin. So I empower you with the gift of discernment. SEE THE TRUTH , KNOW THE TRUTH, FEEL THE TRUTH |
gnostic9
User ID: 71056695 United States 02/04/2020 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea it’s pretty freaky Quoting: Miss Bunny Swan Supposedly it’s like only 20% of people have thoughts. [snip[ I'm now scared of Leftists, upon realizing they don't use or have the capacity to use, their conscious mind. It also explains the F'ed up shit, they can regularly do, and their blatant hypocrisy. I've been trying to understand the Leftist mind for several years now and this adds a new dimension of understanding. These are people who typically side with feminists and BLTGQ people, and yet, they also side with Islamists. The contradiction is massive, yet invisible to them. They are presumably against robbing banks, but at the same time, have no problem with illegal aliens being released without notification to ICE, even they just finished serving a sentence for rape or violent assault, both of which are far more harmful to individuals than a bank robbery. They're also against the "1%" while favoring products made by Apple, the wealthiest company in the world, that also uses exploitative Asian labor. I've always said they don't "think - they feel". It's also been fairly clear that in their youth, these were the people who when treated "unfairly" by a small group, would not just go and find people more compatible or equitable, they would summon an authority figure to intervene on their behalf. These are people who want a Nanny State - an all powerful authority figure to make everything fair and to ensure their well-being. (Witness the support for Bernie, and why they support him.) I've know they operate from a base of fear, most likely based on something traumatic from their childhood where they needed someone else to step in and handle a situation, but I couldn't understand how the hell they could always avoid any rational thought on important subjects. But it's starting to come together now with this idea of them not thinking logically/analytically/verbally - combined with fear/empathy as the primary factors in their thought processing. Consider this statement by Trump: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” A logical person had no problem understanding that. Mexico is offloading it's undesirables into the U.S and we're getting their drug dealers, criminals, and rapists, etc. A Leftist's response is not logical: He just called all Mexicans rapists! OMG. Half of all Mexicans are female. He's such a racist! And so it began. (And it auto-expanded to include that Trump hates black people, which is utterly baffling if you're a logical thinker.) As for the law aspect of securing the border, the Leftist can't process the concept of border security, national sovereignty, and the ramifications of millions of people entering the country without proper screening for illnesses and criminal records, etc. They just visualize a mother and her small children. All of them SCARED - which the Leftists always feels at his core - and then some big mean racists assholes stopping the poor, scared people fleeing DANGER, and telling them, "NO! Go back where you came from, you filthy Mexicans!" This results in an animalistic rage toward the president and anyone who supports him. And they're absolutely convinced that they're the morally superior ones. And to top it all off, they KNOW they're right, because they FEEL what they're talking about. And if they can feel it, then it's real. And reality trumps everything anyone can say to them about it. Now, the only question is, can anything be done to help them, aside from therapy for the root cause of their need for Marxism, and if that was resolved, would it do anything to overcome a lifetime of "thought" based on wrongly fixed ideas? gnostic9 |
Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 78176490 United States 02/05/2020 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here’s something else freaky. I’ve met people who say they never experience visual or auditory effects when taking LSD. WTF?! Why the hell do they bother tripping then?!?! Quoting: Rev Woo-Woo I've never had visual or auditory effects with LSD, peyote, mescaline, or shrooms. I expected them with LSD, but nothing happened. I did them because I wanted to experience the altering of consciousness, which I did, changing the nature or focus of my thoughts, and leading me to concepts I might not have thought of otherwise, and seeing things in different ways, etc. All of that was more meaningful (and less fun) than a light show in my mind. Now I'm wondering if it's the same people who think verbally/analytically that are less likely to have visual hallucinations. Interesting hypothesis. I’ve always tested right down the middle, being both right and left brained so I experience both sensual and consciousness altering effects. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77568399 United States 02/05/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've assumed that we experience consciousness more or less the same way, including an internal monologue or maybe dialogue. Apparently not. Quoting: Huck Fillary Who are the people that don't have an internal voice? Are they also color-blind? Are they more likely to be progressives or JW's or alcoholics? Maybe they're NPCs. In jewish mysticism there are NPC people. Doesnt mean they arent real. they just dont have a soul |
BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States 02/05/2020 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well us ADHD type and bi-polar people think you are strange. We have lots of different voices and monologs going all the time. It is why we frequently jump from one task to another without finishing. Quoting: My Fear Not finishing a task is just lazy...often the hardest part is where your scattered brain diverts to a new task that might be easier to accomplish... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
BRIEF
User ID: 39607259 United States 02/05/2020 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ADD, ADHD, bi-polar, are all excuses for people to say they don't know how to control their brain...you had to learn how to walk, so you must also learn to use your brain... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Rev Woo-Woo
User ID: 78176490 United States 02/05/2020 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ADD, ADHD, bi-polar, are all excuses for people to say they don't know how to control their brain...you had to learn how to walk, so you must also learn to use your brain... Quoting: BRIEF Meditation helps as well as Neurofeedback. Or combine the 2 with a neurofeedback device like Muse. [link to choosemuse.com (secure)] “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78377646 United States 02/07/2020 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What good is this inner voice? Does it help in any way? Have you ever tried to shut down the voice and just relax? Quoting: Pilgrim001 Often, when I have a design problem or need to get an idea or make a decision, it happens. I go with those ideas a lot. When I ask myself a question, such as why something is the way it is - I just get an answer and it's correct. |
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