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Roger Stone is nothing but white trash trailer trash punk.
Someone should take him out.
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You're wonderful and beautiful.

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So the prosecutors who worked for Robert Mueller had a temper tantrum because the Department of Justice thought 9 years in jail is too stiff a penalty for Stone's "crime". While I think Stone is nothing more than a self promoter, lets be honest, he didn't hurt anyone and he wasn't accused of doing so. While people who hate Trump want to see him die in jail, I question their idea of fair and just. That is why I present the following question.

IF Durham proves that Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign (a flagrant crime) for political reasons, would you support them going to jail for 10 years? We know Hillary Clinton illegally removed classified information from the government and put it on her personal server, the penalty for which is at least a decade in jail. Would you support her being jailed for that long?

I am not asking this question of partisans, I am asking it of it of independents. Would this country really benefit from seeing Hillary jailed for ten years? Will the country really be safer if Stone is in jail for ten years? Be careful what you asked for, you may have to live with it.

Here is truth. If Obama were convicted of spying on Trump's campaign, Trump would pardon him, same for Hillary. Some of us remember when Nixon was pardoned. It was the right thing to do. Sometimes to heal a nation, you have to move on.
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IF Durham proves that Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign (a flagrant crime) for political reasons, would you support them going to jail for 10 years? We know Hillary Clinton illegally removed classified information from the government and put it on her personal server, the penalty for which is at least a decade in jail. Would you support her being jailed for that long?

Yes.. and add a few more decades. NO PARDONS.

You seem to forget, those are not the only crimes those individuals are guilty of. Their crimes go well beyond making the wrong phone call. They are murderers, they have hurt and KILLED other people.
That cannot go unpunished.
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Barry the Imposter will never be charged.
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Tactically and strategically, creating a martyr for the left could have negative consequences.

Liberals/leftists already are drunk on pity parties and woe-is-me victimization.

If one of their beloved stars is under the crackdown of an anti-corruption sweep, the left will haul out their "no justice, no peace" Stalinism/Hitlerism/Castroism/Maoism/Maduroism upon America.

People of the left, after all, are wonderful and beautiful.

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True. But that will destroy them even faster, because the rest, lets face it they are the minority, will see justice served.

Loss in the faith of our institutions is exactly what the treasonous left wants. Not giving justice for treason destroys faith in our government institutions and that is far worse than blue haired morons screaming at the sky.
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So the prosecutors who worked for Robert Mueller had a temper tantrum because the Department of Justice thought 9 years in jail is too stiff a penalty for Stone's "crime". While I think Stone is nothing more than a self promoter, lets be honest, he didn't hurt anyone and he wasn't accused of doing so. While people who hate Trump want to see him die in jail, I question their idea of fair and just. That is why I present the following question.

IF Durham proves that Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign (a flagrant crime) for political reasons, would you support them going to jail for 10 years? We know Hillary Clinton illegally removed classified information from the government and put it on her personal server, the penalty for which is at least a decade in jail. Would you support her being jailed for that long?

I am not asking this question of partisans, I am asking it of it of independents. Would this country really benefit from seeing Hillary jailed for ten years? Will the country really be safer if Stone is in jail for ten years? Be careful what you asked for, you may have to live with it.

Here is truth. If Obama were convicted of spying on Trump's campaign, Trump would pardon him, same for Hillary. Some of us remember when Nixon was pardoned. It was the right thing to do. Sometimes to heal a nation, you have to move on.
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Have you all read about the stinking vile head juror ? She ran as a democrat for Congress and posted anti Trump rants before during and after the trial. Roger should request a mis trial.
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OP sounds like one of the ROLCON fakes that write at places like the National Review and other pro-war shill joints. No deals. Payback is due.
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I must admit, I don't know what ROLCON is. I assume it is not a compliment. Personally, I am against unnecessary wars AND don't believe in "payback", I prefer actions that benefit the country.
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GOOD!, so you agree.. Putting those people in prison for life is something that would be benefit, good for the country.

It would reinstate Americas faith in law and order and a REPUBLICAN form of government in our country.

And before your liberal ass starts blathering on about our democracy.. I suggest you read the fucking constitution, within it you will find we are guaranteed a REPUBLICAN form of government.

These collectivist criminals cannot be let off the hook as it erodes everyones faith in the institutions of government which is NOT GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY!
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OP sounds like one of the ROLCON fakes that write at places like the National Review and other pro-war shill joints. No deals. Payback is due.
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I must admit, I don't know what ROLCON is. I assume it is not a compliment. Personally, I am against unnecessary wars AND don't believe in "payback", I prefer actions that benefit the country.
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“Benefitting the country” includes severe penalties for crimes committed by politicians and bureaucrats to help prevent it happening so often and so egregiously.
 Quoting: MarPep


Precisely this, but of no consequence to the OP as it is not what he wants to hear and not the agenda he is pushing in this thread.
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OP, the dems have been trying to delay justice for 3 years now.

The "insurance policy" is a bust.

Now the pain comes ...
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Here is the answer to your question OP... Unambiguious.

OP is conflating the pardon of Nixon, after being hounded from office by butthurt pro-war Dems under the guise of a fake left counter-culture wave... To a potential pardon of an actual traitor and foreign agent in the person of Obama.

It's not an honest intellectual excercise. It's a typical incoherent diversionary linguistic exercise. It's a hypothetical political "trade" based on trading a innocent dead guy who the Dems screwed over, to a live criminal Dem who's still screwing people over.

The obvious answer is no deal.

Now go learn some logic. Throwing dust in the air only works until it doesn't.
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Again another non responsive answer. A critique to be sure; but, not a response. While you mentally masturbate over yourself, you do not deal with the issue presented. I shall simplify it for you. Assume Stone and Obama are both guilty, would you still wish them to go to jail till they die for being political whores? Does that help you?
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Your ENTIRE premise is flawed.. stone never took an oath to support and defend the constitution and to faithfully execute the laws of the United States.

So how bout you start out by comparing apples and apples?

you are conflating one with the other and doing it intentionally because thats how your type muddies the waters trying to keep others from seeing clearly.
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Yes, I'd support all of them going to jail for 10 years but more than that I'd support hanging for conspiring with each other to over throw a duly elected POTUS. Public hanging is what they deserve.

And yes the country would benefit because schumer, Nadler, schiff, and pelosi continue to carry on the flagrant, proven lies of the Russian collusion theory against a duly elected POTUS by using the lie everyday to to steer and divide the nation further.
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Now, that is an answer to what I asked. All of the, I assume includes Stone.
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I cannot seem to find the exact charges filed against roger stone....if someone could post them that might help.

I see a lot of speculation about what the charges might be but not what they actually are and what they relate to specifically.

It matters.....
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Full indictment pdf
24 pages:

[link to d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net (secure)]

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TU. Yeah. That does not look good on paper...
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Your post sounds logical but to be honest its far too liberal for my liking.

The traitors who spied on President Trump who made up fake Russian lies, who pursued to Impeach him on false claims, who investigated him for two years spent 25 million of our tax dollars all to UNSEAT a duly elected president committed TREASON and they should all be hung !


This isn't' going to stop the assault on President Trump but by damn if justice were to prevail as our forefathers intended Unless these people are sentences harshly there will be more and more of this bias partisan assault on our republic.
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OP sounds like one of the ROLCON fakes that write at places like the National Review and other pro-war shill joints. No deals. Payback is due.
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I must admit, I don't know what ROLCON is. I assume it is not a compliment. Personally, I am against unnecessary wars AND don't believe in "payback", I prefer actions that benefit the country.
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“Benefitting the country” includes severe penalties for crimes committed by politicians and bureaucrats to help prevent it happening so often and so egregiously.
 Quoting: MarPep


And yet, nations that devolve into jailing the opposition quickly devolve into tyranny. That is most certainly the problem with the impeachment of Trump, we shall now see it happen to all Presidents regardless of the validity of such things.
 Quoting: myquestion


And there it is folks!!

hey, jackass.. you are the one who said you are not about "revenge" in your OP..

Yet YOU are the one framing any arrest and conviction of these government criminals to revenge.

Those of us with an understanding of CIVICS and morality fully realize revenge has nothing to do with the RULE OF LAW under a REPUBLICAN form of government.

Your poor actors are not immune from being held accountable and neither are you.
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So the prosecutors who worked for Robert Mueller had a temper tantrum because the Department of Justice thought 9 years in jail is too stiff a penalty for Stone's "crime". While I think Stone is nothing more than a self promoter, lets be honest, he didn't hurt anyone and he wasn't accused of doing so. While people who hate Trump want to see him die in jail, I question their idea of fair and just. That is why I present the following question.

IF Durham proves that Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign (a flagrant crime) for political reasons, would you support them going to jail for 10 years? We know Hillary Clinton illegally removed classified information from the government and put it on her personal server, the penalty for which is at least a decade in jail. Would you support her being jailed for that long?

I am not asking this question of partisans, I am asking it of it of independents. Would this country really benefit from seeing Hillary jailed for ten years? Will the country really be safer if Stone is in jail for ten years? Be careful what you asked for, you may have to live with it.

Here is truth. If Obama were convicted of spying on Trump's campaign, Trump would pardon him, same for Hillary. Some of us remember when Nixon was pardoned. It was the right thing to do. Sometimes to heal a nation, you have to move on.
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Another question for OP; how is it that another person, in the same court, not long ago was sentenced to two months for the same crime?
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I'll bet a stale donut that the person was another commie fellow traveler..
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Why do you ask?
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Because I believe Stone will go to jail and I believe the others will be faced with similar charges and believe the people praying for Stone to die in jail will say the "opposition" should be reprieved for the same crimes.
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Good luck
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Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign Fact.

The penalty is clear for such a crime and it's not prison
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Again, not what I asked. Is anyone capable of having an actual conversation about my original question?
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You can't handle and are not willing to accept any answer except your own so why bother.
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What question do you think you have answered, not the one I asked.
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He was just smart enough to go a step further in your game here..
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Understanding our status in the world and how it would look... seriously, do we not look bad already by ignoring the criminals.

If we do not treat it as the crime that it is, then, we do not have an equal justice system at all.

If we want the criminals at the top, to stop or to be stopped, we must prosecute.

Then and only then, we can talk about forgiveness and moving on.
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Why does he not file an emergency motion to recuse the judge and delay the hearing.
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because in kangaroo courts, the same "judge" will "rule" on the motion..

It would go nowhere and be a waste of time paper and ink.
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To serve as just one example of how ridiculous this sentencing recommendation HAD been;

I witnessed a murder once in which a guy shot an unarmed man in the back. Stone cold murder, right?

Well, to make a long story short after I had already testified they suddenly stopped the trial as the prosecution and defense had reached a plea agreement in the case.

The "harsh" penalty for our cold blooded murderer? 10 YEARS!!!!! TEN Years for shooting a man in the BACK? Oh but it gets better....that was ten years (PROBATION)oh yeah...you read it correctly. But if that wasn't enough it included DEFERRED ADJUDICATION!!!

So, was the Prosecutions recommendations regarding Mr. Stone a "little harsh"? Yeah...I think just a little rockon
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So the prosecutors who worked for Robert Mueller had a temper tantrum because the Department of Justice thought 9 years in jail is too stiff a penalty for Stone's "crime". While I think Stone is nothing more than a self promoter, lets be honest, he didn't hurt anyone and he wasn't accused of doing so. While people who hate Trump want to see him die in jail, I question their idea of fair and just. That is why I present the following question.

IF Durham proves that Comey, Brennan, Clapper and Obama conspired to spy on the Trump campaign (a flagrant crime) for political reasons, would you support them going to jail for 10 years? We know Hillary Clinton illegally removed classified information from the government and put it on her personal server, the penalty for which is at least a decade in jail. Would you support her being jailed for that long?

I am not asking this question of partisans, I am asking it of it of independents. Would this country really benefit from seeing Hillary jailed for ten years? Will the country really be safer if Stone is in jail for ten years? Be careful what you asked for, you may have to live with it.

Here is truth. If Obama were convicted of spying on Trump's campaign, Trump would pardon him, same for Hillary. Some of us remember when Nixon was pardoned. It was the right thing to do. Sometimes to heal a nation, you have to move on.
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Stone was charged with a "process crime" for lying about talking to Assange. Hitlery was responsible for illegal arms sales and the deaths of Americans in the cover-up. How can you equate those two crimes? The Hill-dog lied to to Congress many times when asked about Benghazi, but she was never charged. Stone lied once, and they want to put him in prison for the rest of his life. How is that justice?

By the way, I am an independent, and have been a registered independent since my first presidential election, in 1972. I am, however, not a fan of Hellary, or the Clinton crime family. Slick Willie was not too bad, because he stayed the subject of the economy. His wife, on the other hand, is pure evil. She should rot in prison for the rest of her putrid life!
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And that's the thing....assange is still a mystery, an unproven variable at this point. This was a fishing expedition and stone got himself in the middle of it. What a douche...anyway. It's kind of tough for me to take it serious when it was all based on a lie from the beginning by the DNC and the FBI, doj(Obama) knew it.
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Roger Stone is nothing but white trash trailer trash punk.
Someone should take him out.
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Oh shut the fuck up hillary, you lost.
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So you think an old man telling fibs is equivalent to treason and a coup? And all should be forgiven no matter what to heal a nation.

I tell you what. Smoke another hawgsleg and go meditate. It is this mentality that brought us laws where you cannot punish a black kid in school because "we have to heal the divide".

stfu
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Another genius not reading what I said or asked. I didn't compare the crimes. I asked about jailing politicians. How is this complicated?
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"Would this country really benefit from seeing Hillary jailed for ten years? Will the country really be safer if Stone is in jail for ten years? Be careful what you asked for, you may have to live with it.Here is truth. If Obama were convicted of spying on Trump's campaign, Trump would pardon him, same for Hillary. Some of us remember when Nixon was pardoned. It was the right thing to do. Sometimes to heal a nation, you have to move on."


You asked a question then gave your statement and then your truth. This genius read what you wrote and responded in kind.

Your question really isn't a question but a statement disguised as a question. Its how lefty brains work.
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Stone isn’t going to do any time.
Word in DC is that Barr is beginning the purge and this is part of it.
He’s clearing out these Obammunist judges and prosecutors that he has dirt on and they aren’t happy about it.

Some of you don’t understand that this should have happened years ago. But it couldn’t because B Hussein had so many evil fuckers in positions of power. He enabled an entire network and our Gov became very much a politburo. Barr is now able to finally clean house.

This is why they were desperate to get Trump impeached.
These judges all revolve around a loose interpretation of rule of law and handcuffing Trump anyway they could.
Now that they lost, its all over.
Barr is cleaning house.

I’ve watched numerous mid level staff and attorneys working for the DOD get their walking papers this week. And that’s just here. It’s happening all over DC, folks. Lots of turnover, and more coming.
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Again, not what I asked. Is anyone capable of having an actual conversation about my original question?
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You can't handle and are not willing to accept any answer except your own so why bother.
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What question do you think you have answered, not the one I asked.
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He was just smart enough to go a step further in your game here..
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Easy...tounge I am proud to be 50 and still not completely jaded by humans.
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Stone isn’t going to do any time.
Word in DC is that Barr is beginning the purge and this is part of it.
He’s clearing out these Obammunist judges and prosecutors that he has dirt on and they aren’t happy about it.

Some of you don’t understand that this should have happened years ago. But it couldn’t because B Hussein had so many evil fuckers in positions of power. He enabled an entire network and our Gov became very much a politburo. Barr is now able to finally clean house.

This is why they were desperate to get Trump impeached.
These judges all revolve around a loose interpretation of rule of law and handcuffing Trump anyway they could.
Now that they lost, its all over.
Barr is cleaning house.

I’ve watched numerous mid level staff and attorneys working for the DOD get their walking papers this week. And that’s just here. It’s happening all over DC, folks. Lots of turnover, and more coming.
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clappa

Please bring some of that joy to the state level. Maryland needs it bad.

Baltimore has a big problem with judges giving 16 yr olds caught with illegal handguns writing assignments as a lesson. I mean she could have atleast assigned him 200 hours of sitting with mothers of deceased children shot by stray bullets from illegal guns as a lesson.
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"Assume Stone and Obama are both guilty, would you still wish them to go to jail till they die for being political whores? Does that help you?"

"Assume" = making an ass out of you & me...

Only a fool would argue with an ass...

And I am neither and You are both.
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Some of the actions by some of them appear to be Treasonous. Don't think Stones meet that threshold.
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What has happened to stone is blatant over prosecution of process crimes. He was put in a perjury trap.

What Obama, Clinton, Comey, Lerner, holder, etc have been doing for decades is breaking down our system of government. They and the deep state through all possible manners of criminal behavior and treason have attacked the very safeguards the framers put in the Constitution.

This is fact. They weaponized govt agencies against political enemies, most recently having weaponized the house of Representatives against the sitting president.

Pardoning them would not "heal the country". It would signal half the population that it's pitchfork and torch time. It would be actual proof that the rule of law is dead, proof that checks and balances are gone, and proof that the Constitution is gone.

I accept and tolerate the fact that any govt system is going to have corruption. I would say most people can tolerate "garden variety" corruption. What these people have done goes so far beyond, and has such dire consequences that there just be punishment levied and carried out.

That would only be step one though. I believe we need a constitutional convention of the states to add an amendment that enforces term limits on congress. Just like FDR gained too much power in his 4 terms, these career politicians have gained and consolidated too much power. They have made laws that circumvent or flat out defy the checks and balances. They have turned the FBI, CIA, NSA into the proletariate.
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I would like to see all of the Obama people, especially Hillary, DIE in jail if that could be possible. Roger Stone has done literally NOTHING. Nothing but be a supporter of Trump, that is LITERALLY his only "crime".

But Bill and Hillary Clinton literally sold out this country to the Communist Chinese so he could get elected back in the early 90s and continued to sell it out. They have also sold us out to other governments. Many people, thousands, all around the world are dead because of the Clintons military adventures, especially when Hillary was SoS. She helped murder Gaddafi through her proxies and destroyed the country of Libya. Much of the refugee crisis that has plagued Europe is a DIRECT result of the policies of Obama & Clinton (and Kerry) and they should PAY for this. This is on top of her legion of financial crimes and security crimes. If she were accurately sentenced for all the terrible things she's done by herself or with others, the penalty would indeed become a life sentence.

As for Obama and his minions, they have worked STEADFASTLY to undermine and destroy the American electoral system and to stage a coup against a sitting POTUS, which is SEDITION. I believe they have worked with FOREIGN countries to do this, which is TREASON. Both of these are punishable by death, and I would definitely have them in jail until they ROT.


Please do not create a FAKE EQUIVALENCE between the NON-CRIME of Roger Stone, and the many DECADES of crime of the Clintons, the Obamas and their allies. There is NONE.
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In fact, I actually believe that until Hillary Clinton is dead, or so afflicted that she might as well be, this country will not know peace. She is the single most evil person in the history of this country. I literally mean and believe that and I can back it up.
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What I say is not merely about revenge, although I like revenge too and I freely admit it.

What is IS most about is RETURN OF JUSTICE AND RULE OF LAW. We cannot allow people who have worked to undermine and destroy the rule of law, some of them for decades now, for their own gain, go get away with this. SOMEONE MUST PAY FOR WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. That restores the balance.

The rule of law must be re-established. For this to happen, the Clintons - at least Hillary - and Obama and his minions - MUST BE PROSECUTED, TRIED AND PUNISHED. We can't let them get away with a legion of crimes against individuals and the USA and other countries.





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