History repeats - Spanish "Flu" of 1918 was in fact BACTERIAL PNEUMONIA, NOT VIRAL. | |
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User ID: 78348103 Canada 02/16/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newscientist.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78157381 Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic. Government efforts to gird for the next influenza pandemic – bird flu or otherwise – ought to take notice and stock up on antibiotics, says John Brundage, a medical microbiologist at the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center in Silver Spring, Maryland. Brundage’s team culled first-hand accounts, medical records and infection patterns from 1918 and 1919. Although a nasty strain of flu virus swept around the world, bacterial pneumonia that came on the heels of mostly mild cases of flu killed the majority of the 20 to 100 million victims of the so-called Spanish flu, they conclude. “We agree completely that bacterial pneumonia played a major role in the mortality of the 1918 pandemic,” says Anthony Fauci, director of National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease in Bethesda, Maryland, and author of another journal article out next month that comes to a similar conclusion. Meaning what right now? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76969464 United States 02/16/2020 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was VIRAL NOT bacterial, and indeed pneumonia! By the way, I am Jewish, my people are gathering today at the Western/Wailing wall to pray to HaShem for the world that HE stops this virus! PLEASE search your heart about us! What you are being told about us is a LIE! Shalom! Katorah |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78157381 United States 02/16/2020 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mild virus + aerosolized bacterial bio weapon = Jewish-Communist "Epidemic" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76969464 United States 02/16/2020 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOOK OP, after that last reply, all I can ask is "are you STUPID"? This has NOTHING to do with my tribe, you ANTI-SEMITE ! In case you can't grasp the concept of evil, take a look in the mirror, there you will find the reflection of EVIL staring back at you! -KaTorah (Ps....I am NOT a descendant of the old Jewish ways, I was BORN for this moment and people like you! |
First Born Son
User ID: 78068241 United States 02/16/2020 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This article is absolute bullshit. I am going to pick up the phone and call the fuckers who are mentioned in this article tomorrow. SERIOUSLY! Cytokine Storm is almost ALWAYS the cause of death from FLU. Secondary infections from bacteria CAN become established after the patient has recovered from the actual virus. This is due to the death of tissue in the lungs due to the build up of fluid and Bacteria then moves in to do it's job. Problem is the bacteria keeps going, enters the blood stream and the patient becomes septic. This would kill pretty almost 100% of the people infected in 1918. The problem is, people got sick once, and died. If it were bacteria, people would get sick, then get better, then get sick again, and die. It would have been a protracted process that took well over a week from the first fever to death. Sometimes well over a month before death. The Spanish flu was reported as making ppl sick, then killing them. Even the descriptions of the bluing of the lips is indicative of a death by cytokine storm. Not a secondary infection. I'm going to read this article a few more times to see if it was manipulated or these sources are simply that stupid. For example I could say... some people thrown out of a airlock would die from a heart attack before the vacuum of space caused tissue damage. But I'd be a piece of shit to state the majority of space deaths are from heart attack. This article is such bullshit and I promise I will actually pick up the phone and call these ppl to see if they've been miss-quoted. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78157381 United States 02/16/2020 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP the viruses causes a secondary infection of Bacterial Pneumonia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75953087 Many people died from that. The virii alone don't do shit. They are a prep and also a cover for being DELIBERATELY SPRAYED WITH PNEUMONIA-CAUSING BACTERIA. NO DELIBERATE SPRAYING = NO PNEUMONIA EPIDEMIC |
electron microscopy User ID: 70118178 United States 02/16/2020 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newscientist.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78157381 (...)“We agree completely that bacterial pneumonia played a major role in the mortality of the 1918 pandemic,” (...) Kind of ... I cannot see it so it is not there. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (...) The first images of viruses were obtained upon the invention of electron microscopy in 1931 by the German engineers Ernst Ruska and Max Knoll. In 1935, American biochemist and virologist Wendell Meredith Stanley examined the tobacco mosaic virus and found it was mostly made of protein. A short time later, this virus was separated into protein and RNA parts. The tobacco mosaic virus was the first to be crystallised and its structure could therefore be elucidated in detail. The first X-ray diffraction pictures of the crystallised virus were obtained by Bernal and Fankuchen in 1941. On the basis of her pictures, Rosalind Franklin discovered the full structure of the virus in 1955. (...) """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" :-/ |
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First Born Son
User ID: 78068241 United States 02/16/2020 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This article is absolute bullshit. Quoting: First Born Son I am going to pick up the phone and call the fuckers who are mentioned in this article tomorrow. SERIOUSLY! Cytokine Storm is almost ALWAYS the cause of death from FLU. Secondary infections from bacteria CAN become established after the patient has recovered from the actual virus. This is due to the death of tissue in the lungs due to the build up of fluid and Bacteria then moves in to do it's job. Problem is the bacteria keeps going, enters the blood stream and the patient becomes septic. This would kill pretty almost 100% of the people infected in 1918. The problem is, people got sick once, and died. If it were bacteria, people would get sick, then get better, then get sick again, and die. It would have been a protracted process that took well over a week from the first fever to death. Sometimes well over a month before death. The Spanish flu was reported as making ppl sick, then killing them. Even the descriptions of the bluing of the lips is indicative of a death by cytokine storm. Not a secondary infection. I'm going to read this article a few more times to see if it was manipulated or these sources are simply that stupid. For example I could say... some people thrown out of a airlock would die from a heart attack before the vacuum of space caused tissue damage. But I'd be a piece of shit to state the majority of space deaths are from heart attack. This article is such bullshit and I promise I will actually pick up the phone and call these ppl to see if they've been miss-quoted. Here you go: Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center in Silver Spring, Maryland. GO AHEAD YOU JEWISH SHILL PIECE OF SHIT. YOU'VE BEEN FUCKING EXPOSED! OMG, I didn't realize you had so many screws loose. You think I'm in Maryland? And I'm Jewish? AWESOME! I did not know that. Anyway, I stand my ground and this is absolute proof that anything you read online is probably complete bullshit. I am in mourning as I always had a high regard for The New Scientist. I'm guessing a "billionaire" From China bought them? This article is actually laughable. Did you read it OP? |
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First Born Son
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User ID: 78068241 United States 02/16/2020 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would say that a person with a existing H-Pylori infection MIGHT have a issue with a large amount of lung damage. Obviously, a TB patient is going to have problems. But WAY more ppl died of the Spanish Flu than did those who died from TB in 1918. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78442360 United Kingdom 02/16/2020 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are lots of viruses which can cause flu like symptoms most people who die from 'flu '-regardless of the initial viral pathogen don't die in the viral influenza stage - usually they did of bacterial pneumonia which is secondary cytokine storm is when there is massive lysis by white cells of invading pathogen while in the blood stream - aka sepsis and yes , that's what usually triggers disseminated intravascular coagulation and death so some of what you are saying is correct but mostly , it's not |
First Born Son
User ID: 78068241 United States 02/16/2020 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | influenza ( flu ) is a viral infection which damages the lung tissue making it susceptible to bacterial invasion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78442360 there are lots of viruses which can cause flu like symptoms most people who die from 'flu '-regardless of the initial viral pathogen don't die in the viral influenza stage - usually they did of bacterial pneumonia which is secondary cytokine storm is when there is massive lysis by white cells of invading pathogen while in the blood stream - aka sepsis and yes , that's what usually triggers disseminated intravascular coagulation and death so some of what you are saying is correct but mostly , it's not Sorry Friend, I literally just got off the phone with a friend, She is a epidemiologist with the CDC. Spanish Flu Deaths were from a virus. She guessed, based on 100 years of flu data, that MAYBE 5% of those who survived the Virus; got sick from the latent fluid in their lungs. And would have died from a bacterial infection. So 5% of those AFTER they recovered. This'll be my last post in this moronic thread. Oh, and some ppl KNOW that this is my line of work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77512413 Australia 02/16/2020 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newscientist.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78157381 Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic. Government efforts to gird for the next influenza pandemic – bird flu or otherwise – ought to take notice and stock up on antibiotics, says John Brundage, a medical microbiologist at the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center in Silver Spring, Maryland. Brundage’s team culled first-hand accounts, medical records and infection patterns from 1918 and 1919. Although a nasty strain of flu virus swept around the world, bacterial pneumonia that came on the heels of mostly mild cases of flu killed the majority of the 20 to 100 million victims of the so-called Spanish flu, they conclude. “We agree completely that bacterial pneumonia played a major role in the mortality of the 1918 pandemic,” says Anthony Fauci, director of National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease in Bethesda, Maryland, and author of another journal article out next month that comes to a similar conclusion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77540441 Canada 02/17/2020 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic. Government efforts to gird for the next influenza pandemic – bird flu or otherwise – ought to take notice and stock up on antibiotics, says John Brundage, a medical microbiologist at the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center in Silver Spring, Maryland. Brundage’s team culled first-hand accounts, medical records and infection patterns from 1918 and 1919. Although a nasty strain of flu virus swept around the world, bacterial pneumonia that came on the heels of mostly mild cases of flu killed the majority of the 20 to 100 million victims of the so-called Spanish flu, they conclude. It's their bacterial spores that they spray your neighborhoods with that kill you, not the virus |
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User ID: 75973915 United Kingdom 02/23/2020 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | influenza ( flu ) is a viral infection which damages the lung tissue making it susceptible to bacterial invasion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78442360 there are lots of viruses which can cause flu like symptoms most people who die from 'flu '-regardless of the initial viral pathogen don't die in the viral influenza stage - usually they did of bacterial pneumonia which is secondary cytokine storm is when there is massive lysis by white cells of invading pathogen while in the blood stream - aka sepsis and yes , that's what usually triggers disseminated intravascular coagulation and death so some of what you are saying is correct but mostly , it's not Sorry Friend, I literally just got off the phone with a friend, She is a epidemiologist with the CDC. Spanish Flu Deaths were from a virus. She guessed, based on 100 years of flu data, that MAYBE 5% of those who survived the Virus; got sick from the latent fluid in their lungs. And would have died from a bacterial infection. So 5% of those AFTER they recovered. This'll be my last post in this moronic thread. Oh, and some ppl KNOW that this is my line of work. Its amazing how you all are so well connected all the time haha By the way most flu deaths do indeed come from secondary infections. Hell every bad time with a cold or flu I've had has been from secondary infections. Same as everyone else. You are the CEO of your own wellness. You need to take back your health from the disease-care system |
Nagabonar666
User ID: 78513002 Indonesia 02/23/2020 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A comprehensive list of herbals which have anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory properties while suppressing pro-inflammatory Cytokine build up to prevent Cytokine storm (Turmeric is my favourite one): Thread: A little Herb Summary vs COVID-19 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77517665 United States 02/23/2020 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A comprehensive list of herbals which have anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory properties while suppressing pro-inflammatory Cytokine build up to prevent Cytokine storm (Turmeric is my favourite one): Quoting: Nagabonar666 Thread: A little Herb Summary vs COVID-19 Bullshit. It's bacterial pneumonia from an airborne bacterial weapon. Fuck your (((cytokine storm))) you shill fuck. |
Nagabonar666
User ID: 78513002 Indonesia 02/23/2020 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A comprehensive list of herbals which have anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory properties while suppressing pro-inflammatory Cytokine build up to prevent Cytokine storm (Turmeric is my favourite one): Quoting: Nagabonar666 Thread: A little Herb Summary vs COVID-19 Bullshit. It's bacterial pneumonia from an airborne bacterial weapon. Fuck your (((cytokine storm))) you shill fuck. I never deny your statement that its bacterial pneumonia, but i neither deny that its Cytokine storm. Both you and i dont know the truth until we see it with our own eyes, hence i write "anti-bacterial" Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/23/2020 09:11 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75971947 United States 02/23/2020 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newscientist.com (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78157381 Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic. Government efforts to gird for the next influenza pandemic – bird flu or otherwise – ought to take notice and stock up on antibiotics, says John Brundage, a medical microbiologist at the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center in Silver Spring, Maryland. Brundage’s team culled first-hand accounts, medical records and infection patterns from 1918 and 1919. Although a nasty strain of flu virus swept around the world, bacterial pneumonia that came on the heels of mostly mild cases of flu killed the majority of the 20 to 100 million victims of the so-called Spanish flu, they conclude. “We agree completely that bacterial pneumonia played a major role in the mortality of the 1918 pandemic,” says Anthony Fauci, director of National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease in Bethesda, Maryland, and author of another journal article out next month that comes to a similar conclusion. Meaning what right now? Shut the fuk up queer 33 no wonder nobody here likes you you're nothing but a little punk |
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User ID: 78259322 United States 02/23/2020 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... AMEN! and AMEN! to praying for The Sovereign Creator of All to deliver us from this evil ... . Last Edited by wisconsin human on 02/23/2020 10:59 AM . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |