US Manufacturing Plant Supply Chain Issues - Coronavirus

Thread: Why are some Trump supporters resulttards? (Theory here...)

Glad they already installed mine then!

Yep, American industry shot itself in the foot offshoring its production overseas chasing slave labor. Now the slaves are dying. Just in time manufacturing and not warehousing inventory is now going to sink it.

We should gave never became so dependent on Chinese goods as a nation.

Just need to bring all the manufacturing back stateside, goods may cost more but at least we aren't feeding the dragon anymore & taking advantage of slave labour..

At least we have our steel.

Cheap Gas again!

Oh Well! If we are all dead in a couple weeks, what difference does it make? THE END



Reality

Well Trump did good not wasting time building up our military then. And getting US steel back to work.

Obama wasted 8 years saying manufacturing was never coming back and did NOTHING to encourage it either.

This pretty well sums it up.

We are in for one hell of a ride people!

They are a throw it away generation. They will be visiting grandma soon for stuff she didn't throw away.

Economies will die from Inertial Inflation, and that happens in the blink of an eye. The only way out will be to index contracts by physical gold (pay attention to the word: physical).
In the blink of an eye everyone will be absurdly poor. Think of Zimbabwe, this is America in May.

Inertial inflation is a situation where all prices in an economy are continuously adjusted with relation to a price index by force of contracts.

Changes in price indices trigger changes in prices of goods. Contracts are made to accommodate this price-changing scenario by means of indexation. Indexation in a high-inflation economy is evident when, for instance, a given price must be recalculated at a later date, incorporating inflation accumulated over the period to "correct" the price.

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For a lot of things, yes it would take that long, even longer for some items, or they may just never happen at all, unless it absolutely HAD to happen, like world war effort happen.

It isn't only that the tooling to manufacture some items, especially large cast, forged, metal parts has been shipped to China, it's the manufacturing of machine tools that are needed to make the tooling has been outsourced to china and most of our large foundries and steel production facilities have been shut down and broken down and scraped as a result.

Production Tooling, the things such as molds, dies that mold and stamp out the bazzillions of small parts take a fairly long time to make, weeks for just one moderately complex production tool. Those pieces of tooling have to made on even larger and complex machine tools, machines such as metal lathes, milling machines, grinders, EDM machines and a long list of other precision metal working equipment.

We don't cast very many, or essentially at all, the large pieces of iron and process the large steel pieces that it takes to build the machines that are needed to make things. If the machines needed to make the tooling cannot be bought, or the supply chain for parts needed to keep the machines running that we do have shuts down, we are dead in the water. We can't even begin to "Tool up" if we can't get, maintain or make the machines that make the tooling.

Just think about how many small parts are in just one cell phone, a remote control, a coffee maker, any appliance, a power drill, computer, pretty much anything that is in your home. Hundreds or thousands for something larger. All the pieces that make up that microwave oven or toaster are mostly unique and people somewhere along the manufacturing chain have to make the tools that make those parts and those tools have to produce thousands or millions of those parts.

Those tools have to run in precision production machinery, big metal stamping presses, injection molding machines, die casting machines etc etc. They have to be made of tool steels that are tough enough to stand the rigors of production.

All these things have to be present and happen in a line. You have to have the machines to cut and shape the metal to make the tools, the tool steel has to be available to make a tool out of, have the production machines to run the tools in after you make them and you have to have the materials to make a part out of that will work for your application.

That production chain has to have all the links, or you have no chain and no production. A lot has to happen and it has to happen right, or no final product.

The above also doesn't include the skills and expertise required to design the tooling, operate all those machines through the chain and on down the line. Those skills are sorely lacking in the amount that would be required in the USA if we ever did have to "Re-Tool" on any sort of even a fairly large scale.

Over the past 30 years or so most of that production and most importantly the production capability has been off-shored to mostly 3rd world countries with cheap labor, China being at the forefront.

We can still do "some" for sure, but the mass production ability on a large scale is essentially just gone from the USA, it doesn't exist here anymore.

If anyone thinks we could just simply nut up and git er done in any sort of a time frame that would be even close to reasonable, they would be sadly mistaken.

How much the inability to manufacture anything in quantity will spread across huge sectors of the huge infrastructure machine that our civil society is, you can use your imagination for that. Just think about hospitals not being able to scan, run tests, do surgery etc because their equipment is broken down. Mechanics cannot repair your vehicle because replacement parts are not available, trucking starts to shut down, Heat and air conditioning not being repaired, refineries for fuel and raw plastics break down, servers shut down, electrical switch gear and grid in jeopardy or dead, emergency services with no functional gear, on and on. The amount of critical sectors that rely on a supply chain which is absolutely dependent on foreign sourcing is staggering. And then the WORST could happen.

McDonlads fryers, breweries and twatter are toast.
That's when things go biblical and not the good bible with the wine and sushi parties, the BAD BIBLE with the smotting, plagues, lepers, turn you into pillar of salt, floods, fires, rains of frogs, DOOM all over the place, THAT one.

Worst case is worse than most people can dream of in their nightmares.

Grab your camping gear and get the hell out of the city.

Yep. All started with Clinton and Nafta and then letting China in the WTO. Ross Perot warned about that HUGE SUCKING SOUND of jobs leaving, but nobody listened.
And FYI for those that don't know, he was with the Reform Party which is the party Trump tried his first run with.
I'm glad Trump is the President to help us through this time. He has foresight. Something sorely lacking in the Dem and R party.

3D printing might solve some of missing parts.

Actually it started with the japs after WWII. You are probably too young to remember "cheap made in Japan" crap, but some are old enough to remember.

We rebuilt their raw manufacturing, after we destroyed it. Not long after, some people somewhere thought, hmmm, this is pretty sweet having the japs willing to make stuff for us on the cheap and we don't have to even get our hands dirty?

We can expand on this! Where else can we do it?

The rest is history.

I remember that specifically.

It exposes America's dependence on China.

For a very small percentage of what we need it could be made to work, but the time frame for producing anything on a 3d printer is appallingly slow and that process, as well as the materials used also have their limitations, just like any other process.

Trickle down was and is a sham . It was when Regan did it and it is with these bs tax cuts trump made.

Why would it take 10 years? Couple weeks to months in an emergency.

Why don't you take the advise of your name and you will figure out this so called virus is just a cover for the economic collapse!!! They need to blame it on something rather than be blamed for their corruption that is causing it!!!!

I want Trump to be elected again before anything happens to the economy.

What's amazing is how small the party is our economy is that is really essential, especially the buying and selling of goods and services. Most of our economy is just a meaningless make-work parade. Life will go on. People will eat and sleep and watch screens. That's 90 percent of life these days anyways.

What have "they" been promoting over the last 8-10yrs? That 90% of Americans would die within a year if we had an EMP event???

Well, might not be EMP; but if the utilities go down, what happens to the cities?

If the WuHuFlu is real, and plenty of Americans die and many more get sick and require home attendance by family etc... How will the cities continue to function?

Electric companies depend on their field employees and those maintaining their power acquisition and production facilities. Wha Hoppen when 70% are sick or dead? The power grid will go down...


How many military are there to keep society functioning? Out of the maybe 5 million active military, most are in logistic support and administration. Will they be immune to the WuHuFlu? Pretty unlikely. Even if they were, how many of their personnel would be needed to keep NYC, LA, DC, Chicago etc functioning? How many of maybe 1 million field personnel available from military ranks will be needed to keep America Functioning? Do we cannibalize our military fighting strength to keep the cities going????

How critical is sanitation and clean water? Probably more critical to a city than electricity... Still need electric to provide both, but sewage and garbage disposal must continue or Cholera and other diseases will become widespread.



The ONLY WAY through this infrastructure collapse is going to be by Self-Sufficiency. Few have it now. Even fewer will be able to arrange it in time...


Got your own septic tank or other sewage disposal means?
Got your own water well or other water source?
Own livestock, grain reserves or have months of food storage on hand NOW?
Got solar, wind, or generators with fuel to make your own electric?
Got weapons and medicines/remedies to defend your health and your homestead?
Got references and experience to enable maintaining your home?


What happens when many production related business have to close when they lose too many employees or cannot get parts and supplies to continue functioning?

How long will banks allow funding and operations to continue at these businesses which are inoperative due to "Force Majeur"???

How long will banks remain open when the stock of their collateral has declined 90% or more in value?


Everything in Modern Society was stretched to the breaking point for maximum efficiency, but nobody saw this coming...

I want my Mommy!

That's what I have been saying. Economic lapse. It is all connected, little things ripple and big ones create waves.

Fuk China and their shit parts

That is why he gave foreign business million dollar contract for face masks?

Capitalism says wages would go up to attract labor instead of hiring illegals to suppress wages.