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Transformation First... Then 30 days later The Rapture...And The Revelation 12 sign in 3 Minutes!!

 
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WHAT IF...WE have it all wrong.....

When Jesus came the first time, what was being taught about His coming? We now, know they had it all wrong.

So just imagine, as much as I love current teachings about the scriptures, what if WE are off a little?

What IF God, just because of His nature, does the most unexpected thing for His Body; who by the way is 100% identifiable, only by Him.

What if that old song "Handel's Messiah" is more prophetic than we thought? "The kingdom of this world;
is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ".

But what if it happens in the present time, not off in the future.

What if the transformation occurs in the twinkling off an eye, and the rapture follows 30-40 days later? That would fit the pattern we see in the life of Jesus, after His resurrection.

Would NOT that transformation set the world on fire, separating sheep from goats, wood from stubble?

Would that not cause the world to fight against Christ, as they do not want to loose their kingdoms?

I'm just raising the issue, as I hear these kinds of questions on the inside, for that is where the kingdom is.

This transformation will be like when Jesus came out of the tomb. A supernatural body.


Remember when these videos were made, how crushed many people were, when it seemed nothing happened?

Well I think something did happen and its not fulfilled yet, Jesus (The body of Jesus/the baby) was found / revealed at 3-4 yrs old.

Will the man-child also be revealed 4 yrs later after this sign, the sign shown in this video.


The Revelation 12 sign in 3 Minutes!!



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I believe Jesus has a body on this earth, a group of people, a little flock in comparison to the church at large.
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This worlds kingdoms are the enemy of Christ and they are being removed
At the rapture we will Witnesses Babylons destruction. The Synagogue of Satan which controls today’s governments end is at hand.
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This worlds kingdoms are the enemy of Christ and they are being removed
At the rapture we will Witnesses Babylons destruction. The Synagogue of Satan which controls today’s governments end is at hand.
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Yes Satan's end is at hand, but what method will God use, have we figured God out? I don't think so, doctrines don't seem to pass the test of time.
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Can you fathom the possibility of you to be totally wrong?
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Just asking those who care to think this over, what if none of what we believe about the end times come about the way we have thought.

Doctrines are best seen in hindsight.

Of course we believe the ones that cannot be contested, Jesus born of a virgin, died and rose again.

But I'm talking about end times, Daniel and the book of revelation.
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Can you fathom the possibility of you to be totally wrong?
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Of course I can....Only God knows for sure. But many are devoted to their dogmas, doctrines, and their denomination, or even their favorite preacher.
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What if the transformation occurs in the twinkling off an eye, and the rapture follows 30-40 days later? That would fit the pattern we see in the life of Jesus, after His resurrection.

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This is key, we see patterns and types ALL throughout the scriptures.

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These types and shadows are very prominent especially in the OT...
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Jesus came the first time as a baby, he went to the cross, then rose from the dead.

Now this body of His on the earth, they are NOT Jesus, but they are His body.

I believe Rev CH 12 describes this body, from the woman (no not Jesus and Mary, why not? Because the scriptures state the whole book is future, and prophetic, and prophetic is always future.
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Any "christian" that believes in a pre trib rapture is an idiot that can't read a bible.

Plain and simple.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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Any "christian" that believes in a pre trib rapture is an idiot that can't read a bible.

Plain and simple.
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Time will tell, you might be right and you could be wrong, many people better than you and I believe in the many versions of the rapture debate.
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Any "christian" that believes in a pre trib rapture is an idiot that can't read a bible.

Plain and simple.
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Time will tell, you might be right and you could be wrong, many people better than you and I believe in the many versions of the rapture debate.
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There is a rapture event, it's just not pre tribulation.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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I believe Jesus has a body on this earth, a group of people, a little flock in comparison to the church at large.
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From Dr. Stephen Jones;

....I find it interesting that Ursa Major (big bear) and Ursa Minor (little bear) are the better-known names of the constellations, but that their names were originally the Greater Sheepfold and the Lesser Sheepfold. They were not bears at all, but became bears by usurping the position of those truly called. This usurpation is part of the picture that reveals another side to this whole issue. On June 20 we discussed and dealt with "the usurpers."

The two constellations are in the sign of Cancer--not the disease, but from the Latin word Cancer. That Latin word is in turn derived from the Arabic Khan = "an Inn," and Ker or Cer = "encircling." It describes a sheepfold that encircles the sheep for their protection while they rest.

The various stars in Cancer also describe sheepfolds. The brightest star in Ursa Minor is Dubeh, "a herd." In Arabic, Dubah means "cattle." In Hebrew, Dober means "a fold" and is derived from the word dobe, "rest or security."

But here is where the confusion and mistake arises, because the Hebrew word for "bear" is dob. So instead of seeing the constellation as a sheepfold, they ended up picturing it as a bear, because of the similarity of the Hebrew words. This was all in the divine plan, of course, but nonetheless, the original meaning and significance in the Star Gospel was hidden by this usurpation. God allowed this to occur in order to show us what was happening on a prophetic and spiritual level--with the two bears of Revelation 13 usurping power over the Church (the Greater or larger Sheepfold) and the Remnant Overcomers (the Lesser or smaller Sheepfold)....

From [link to gkmnetsite.godskingdom.org]
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I believe Jesus has a body on this earth, a group of people, a little flock in comparison to the church at large.
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From Dr. Stephen Jones;

....I find it interesting that Ursa Major (big bear) and Ursa Minor (little bear) are the better-known names of the constellations, but that their names were originally the Greater Sheepfold and the Lesser Sheepfold. They were not bears at all, but became bears by usurping the position of those truly called. This usurpation is part of the picture that reveals another side to this whole issue. On June 20 we discussed and dealt with "the usurpers."

The two constellations are in the sign of Cancer--not the disease, but from the Latin word Cancer. That Latin word is in turn derived from the Arabic Khan = "an Inn," and Ker or Cer = "encircling." It describes a sheepfold that encircles the sheep for their protection while they rest.

The various stars in Cancer also describe sheepfolds. The brightest star in Ursa Minor is Dubeh, "a herd." In Arabic, Dubah means "cattle." In Hebrew, Dober means "a fold" and is derived from the word dobe, "rest or security."

But here is where the confusion and mistake arises, because the Hebrew word for "bear" is dob. So instead of seeing the constellation as a sheepfold, they ended up picturing it as a bear, because of the similarity of the Hebrew words. This was all in the divine plan, of course, but nonetheless, the original meaning and significance in the Star Gospel was hidden by this usurpation. God allowed this to occur in order to show us what was happening on a prophetic and spiritual level--with the two bears of Revelation 13 usurping power over the Church (the Greater or larger Sheepfold) and the Remnant Overcomers (the Lesser or smaller Sheepfold)....

From [link to gkmnetsite.godskingdom.org]
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Interesting. I think they did the same thing with the calendar, trying to hide truth from those who looked for it
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Can you fathom the possibility of you to be totally wrong?
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Of course I can....Only God knows for sure. But many are devoted to their dogmas, doctrines, and their denomination, or even their favorite preacher.
 Quoting: rod777


Does that includes you? Are you willing to put your life and your family's life on the line for what you believe?
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OP never said he fully believed this

He is tossing around different options and weighing them out because he appears to be strong enough to question things. OP appears to be looking for truth and answers, while you seem to have been glued into your perspective by fear.

Whhat if YOURE wrong? ever think of that, or are you too controlled by fear to question it?
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What if this transformation causes the gathering together?

This new body that is supernatural and can exist here and in heaven.

Like the body Jesus had after the Resurrection, he ate, and walked thru walls.
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WHAT IF...WE have it all wrong.....

When Jesus came the first time, what was being taught about His coming? We now, know they had it all wrong.

So just imagine, as much as I love current teachings about the scriptures, what if WE are off a little?

What IF God, just because of His nature, does the most unexpected thing for His Body; who by the way is 100% identifiable, only by Him.

What if that old song "Handel's Messiah" is more prophetic than we thought? "The kingdom of this world;
is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ".

But what if it happens in the present time, not off in the future.

What if the transformation occurs in the twinkling off an eye, and the rapture follows 30-40 days later? That would fit the pattern we see in the life of Jesus, after His resurrection.

Would NOT that transformation set the world on fire, separating sheep from goats, wood from stubble?

Would that not cause the world to fight against Christ, as they do not want to loose their kingdoms?

I'm just raising the issue, as I hear these kinds of questions on the inside, for that is where the kingdom is.

This transformation will be like when Jesus came out of the tomb. A supernatural body.

 Quoting: rod777


Oh of course, you think you know the time. Did you NOT understand what the new testament taught you? "no man knows the hour" all those who claim to know, are FALSE prophets. Like you now eh?
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... op ... of this I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN ...
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... read Revelation carefully and at Seal 6 and you will see that those before The Throne are from the GREAT TRIBULATION ...
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... in the Hebrew "great" does not have to only mean extreme ... it can also mean a long period of time ...
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... from the time Yeshua returned to Heaven to when Seal 6 occurs we are probably looking at the GREAT-IN-LENGTH-OF-TIME Tribulation ...
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... some teachers say that NO SEALS have opened yet ... I'm thinking we are already at Seal 5 with Seal 6 being the next event ... where the wonderful rejoicing occurs before The Throne ...
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... can't be longer to wait anymore than a decade! ...
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bump
For later reading. Great info in this thread!
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... op ... of this I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN ...
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... read Revelation carefully and at Seal 6 and you will see that those before The Throne are from the GREAT TRIBULATION ...
.
... in the Hebrew "great" does not have to only mean extreme ... it can also mean a long period of time ...
.
... from the time Yeshua returned to Heaven to when Seal 6 occurs we are probably looking at the GREAT-IN-LENGTH-OF-TIME Tribulation ...
.
... some teachers say that NO SEALS have opened yet ... I'm thinking we are already at Seal 5 with Seal 6 being the next event ... where the wonderful rejoicing occurs before The Throne ...
.
... can't be longer to wait anymore than a decade! ...
.
 Quoting: wisconsin



Thanks for kind reply....In the 70's the Jesus People were convinced Jesus would come no later than the yr 2000.

I hope your right, but we just don't know. I never thought I'd see my last B-day, when I met Jesus in 1974, but here we are.

Also many in the NT church thought Jesus would return at anytime.

Then we had Hal Lindsey, and many preachers who thought they knew.

BUT I don't claim to know the day or the hour, and I leave it to smarter people than myself to know the season (WE can know the season)....And we are commanded to LOOK.

BUT do we know for sure? no.
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bump
For later reading. Great info in this thread!
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COOL
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WHAT IF...WE have it all wrong.....

When Jesus came the first time, what was being taught about His coming? We now, know they had it all wrong.

So just imagine, as much as I love current teachings about the scriptures, what if WE are off a little?

What IF God, just because of His nature, does the most unexpected thing for His Body; who by the way is 100% identifiable, only by Him.

What if that old song "Handel's Messiah" is more prophetic than we thought? "The kingdom of this world;
is become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ".

But what if it happens in the present time, not off in the future.

What if the transformation occurs in the twinkling off an eye, and the rapture follows 30-40 days later? That would fit the pattern we see in the life of Jesus, after His resurrection.

Would NOT that transformation set the world on fire, separating sheep from goats, wood from stubble?

Would that not cause the world to fight against Christ, as they do not want to loose their kingdoms?

I'm just raising the issue, as I hear these kinds of questions on the inside, for that is where the kingdom is.

This transformation will be like when Jesus came out of the tomb. A supernatural body.

 Quoting: rod777


Oh of course, you think you know the time. Did you NOT understand what the new testament taught you? "no man knows the hour" all those who claim to know, are FALSE prophets. Like you now eh?
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Sir this does not as you suppose show I'm trying to trick anyone, or deceived...

What it does show is that you are ignorant of what this verse was talking about in the NT.

The verse is referring to a festival that lasted 2 days, the high priest (A type of God) was the only one who knew on which of the 2 days he would blow the horn (this means he knew the hour and day he would sound the trumpet, and this was kept secret).

So the NT disciples could say to you, "we know he is going to blow the trumpet today or tomorrow, so we know the season, we just don't know which day or hour"...
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This body plural is many membered and NOT the body of Christ (singular) as that body came to be a sacrifice for many.

These many members of the body of Christ at this time are hidden, hidden from themselves, and hidden from one another.

But I believe the revelation 12 sign that was their announcement, as was the star that led the wise men to the baby Jesus 4 years later, after His birth.

So 4 years or so after the Rev 12 sign, will there be a revealing of this body of Christ, to the wisemen, who seek Him

Then we will see what comes next as the churchianity kingdoms find themselves in the same position as the pharisees kingdoms when the body of Christ came (singular) to go to the cross.

Jesus ruined them, and their kingdoms came to an end, will that happen again? I think so.
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I watched a sermon today out of Nashville. The pastor had similar thoughts regarding the body. Still Waters is the channel on you tube. Good thread. Deep thoughts.
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I watched a sermon today out of Nashville. The pastor had similar thoughts regarding the body. Still Waters is the channel on you tube. Good thread. Deep thoughts.
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Thanks I will check it out
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I watched a sermon today out of Nashville. The pastor had similar thoughts regarding the body. Still Waters is the channel on you tube. Good thread. Deep thoughts.
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would you be so kind as to give the video link here, that you watched?

Thanks...
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Thank You.
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What will happen when its obvious that some in a church assembly have not been transformed.

Lots of crying I bet, and possibly some anger too.
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What will happen when its obvious that some in a church assembly have not been transformed.

Lots of crying I bet, and possibly some anger too.

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Only God knows who will be transformed and who will not be transformed.
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Just asking those who care to think this over, what if none of what we believe about the end times come about the way we have thought.

Doctrines are best seen in hindsight.

Of course we believe the ones that cannot be contested, Jesus born of a virgin, died and rose again.

But I'm talking about end times, Daniel and the book of revelation.

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