Transformation First... Then 30 days later The Rapture...And The Revelation 12 sign in 3 Minutes!!

I believe Jesus has a body on this earth, a group of people, a little flock in comparison to the church at large.

This worlds kingdoms are the enemy of Christ and they are being removed
At the rapture we will Witnesses Babylons destruction. The Synagogue of Satan which controls today’s governments end is at hand.

Can you fathom the possibility of you to be totally wrong?

Any "christian" that believes in a pre trib rapture is an idiot that can't read a bible.

Plain and simple.

There is a rapture event, it's just not pre tribulation.

From Dr. Stephen Jones;

....I find it interesting that Ursa Major (big bear) and Ursa Minor (little bear) are the better-known names of the constellations, but that their names were originally the Greater Sheepfold and the Lesser Sheepfold. They were not bears at all, but became bears by usurping the position of those truly called. This usurpation is part of the picture that reveals another side to this whole issue. On June 20 we discussed and dealt with "the usurpers."

The two constellations are in the sign of Cancer--not the disease, but from the Latin word Cancer. That Latin word is in turn derived from the Arabic Khan = "an Inn," and Ker or Cer = "encircling." It describes a sheepfold that encircles the sheep for their protection while they rest.

The various stars in Cancer also describe sheepfolds. The brightest star in Ursa Minor is Dubeh, "a herd." In Arabic, Dubah means "cattle." In Hebrew, Dober means "a fold" and is derived from the word dobe, "rest or security."

But here is where the confusion and mistake arises, because the Hebrew word for "bear" is dob. So instead of seeing the constellation as a sheepfold, they ended up picturing it as a bear, because of the similarity of the Hebrew words. This was all in the divine plan, of course, but nonetheless, the original meaning and significance in the Star Gospel was hidden by this usurpation. God allowed this to occur in order to show us what was happening on a prophetic and spiritual level--with the two bears of Revelation 13 usurping power over the Church (the Greater or larger Sheepfold) and the Remnant Overcomers (the Lesser or smaller Sheepfold)....

From [link to gkmnetsite.godskingdom.org]

OP never said he fully believed this

He is tossing around different options and weighing them out because he appears to be strong enough to question things. OP appears to be looking for truth and answers, while you seem to have been glued into your perspective by fear.

Whhat if YOURE wrong? ever think of that, or are you too controlled by fear to question it?

Oh of course, you think you know the time. Did you NOT understand what the new testament taught you? "no man knows the hour" all those who claim to know, are FALSE prophets. Like you now eh?

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... op ... of this I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN ...
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... read Revelation carefully and at Seal 6 and you will see that those before The Throne are from the GREAT TRIBULATION ...
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... in the Hebrew "great" does not have to only mean extreme ... it can also mean a long period of time ...
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... from the time Yeshua returned to Heaven to when Seal 6 occurs we are probably looking at the GREAT-IN-LENGTH-OF-TIME Tribulation ...
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... some teachers say that NO SEALS have opened yet ... I'm thinking we are already at Seal 5 with Seal 6 being the next event ... where the wonderful rejoicing occurs before The Throne ...
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... can't be longer to wait anymore than a decade! ...
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For later reading. Great info in this thread!

Thanks for kind reply....In the 70's the Jesus People were convinced Jesus would come no later than the yr 2000.

I hope your right, but we just don't know. I never thought I'd see my last B-day, when I met Jesus in 1974, but here we are.

Also many in the NT church thought Jesus would return at anytime.

Then we had Hal Lindsey, and many preachers who thought they knew.

BUT I don't claim to know the day or the hour, and I leave it to smarter people than myself to know the season (WE can know the season)....And we are commanded to LOOK.

BUT do we know for sure? no.

I watched a sermon today out of Nashville. The pastor had similar thoughts regarding the body. Still Waters is the channel on you tube. Good thread. Deep thoughts.

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Prophecy is only rightly understood after it has been fulfilled.