Yet another seriously disturbing thing I'm realizing about this virus VS Influenza | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good breakdown, you should post a few links or else you'll most likely get dogpiled by the fluther crew. nah, not worth the effort I'm finishing a 1/2 hour long video meta-analysis on 100 papers on infectious pathogens, shortly, as well as a complex explanation of the lipid chemistry of micron and sub-micron micelle generation in the alveoli Going to break it down simply for all those people comparing things |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This right here is what the virus both attacks and clogs [link to d1j63owfs0b5j3.cloudfront.net (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah, it's really quite an interesting virus, thats for certain I'm getting the idea that genetically engineered pigs in china were perhaps involved in some sort of recombination in the wild The M ( membrane ) protein in it, is most closely related ( The homology ) to more pig viruses than anything ( PRRSV, etc ) china's been using genetically engineered pigs since the early 90's, and had to keep developing vaccines because the viruses had to keep evolving to attack the genetically engineered pigs, in turn helping the viruses to become more virulent ..much in the same way bacteria develop resistance to antibiotics But where they say the horseshoe is the source of the coronavirus you have to ask, ...what do horseshoe bats eat ? The eat insects, mainly and china has ( or had ) vast pig farms.....huge but we all saw the pig viruses wiping out their pork industry ( and most of of saw the animals being buried and or burned in pits ) so....if you've ever been on a pig farm ( I have ), you know how many bats come out at night because of all the fucking insects coming to feed on the nasty shit you encounter on pig farms so between bats, insects, pig farms, recombination and vaccines.....it would have made a perfect environment for the virus to evolve naturally.... ....except that strange Herpesvirus-8 cancer virus protein (ORF10)that muffles the cellular immune system from putting out the call for help ( the reason for the long asymptomatic periods ) .....that's a weird one to find in a virus that had evolved in an environment with pigs and bats .............. dunno at this point, it's a very odd virus.....perfect storm it's the locus of many things that normally are not that bad by themselves but when combined together.......very bad very very bad |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2019-nCov is not bloodborne, ( Infecting blood cells ), but exploits the circulatory system, obviously, because the first place viruses are going to end up after an infected cell finally bursts in the lungs is in the nephron tubules of the kidneys ( The waste handlers ) |
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User ID: 77955198 United States 03/06/2020 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, do you think high dose vitamin C (or liposomal C) could help kidneys? Quoting: oscarsucks Some have recommended it for cytokine storms caused by virus. well, this may not get me many fans, but cannabinoids inhibit pro‐inflammatory cytokines Whatever works - Thanks! Don't Trust the Vaccine!!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here Cannabinoids, immune system and cytokine network [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] -------------------- Interaction between cytokines, cannabinoids and the nervous system [link to www.sciencedirect.com (secure)] Abstract: Cytokines play important roles in neuroinflammation and neurodegeneration. The endocannabinoid system (ES) is comprised of the CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors, endogenous ligands, and proteins involved in endocannabinoid synthesis and inactivation. The ES participates in the regulation of immune responses in the nervous system. Activation of the cannabinoid system is associated with therapeutic effects that may be mediated by the down-regulation of cytokine expression. Here we review the findings from studies on the reciprocal regulation of the immune and cannabinoid systems, which is based on functional as well as anatomical connections. We then discuss mechanisms involved in the reciprocal regulation of cytokines and the ES. -------------- Use scihub to read the papers |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78017652 United States 03/06/2020 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, do you think high dose vitamin C (or liposomal C) could help kidneys? Quoting: oscarsucks Some have recommended it for cytokine storms caused by virus. The way I understand it, it helps the body's immune system to be ready to launch a response, by way of heightened production of something called Interferon alpha/beta ( A cytokine ), so it probably prevents severe Interferon II flood ( the cytokine storm ), Interferon I that normally binds to neighboring cells and starts the exponential growth of the alarm of invasion, is prevented by 2019-nCov Interferon I binds to Lyphocyte Interferon II and this is when the immune system officially gets the chemical message cells are under attack ( Body's immune response gets the message from the cellular immune response, just two molecules binding ) ascorbic acid will increase lymphocyte production, but there still needs to be a messenger molecule from the infected cells.....and this virus stops them from putting it out 2019-nCov is actually a variable pH virus, and not dependent on specific pH like Influenza is ( Low pH needed to enter cells, this weakens cell membranes ), so varying blood pH with vitamin is likely not going to have an effect on the ability of the virus to gain entry to cells ( Influenza uses a different type of receptor ) so....vitamin C will at least help keep your immune system at the ready |
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User ID: 73053785 United States 03/07/2020 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, do you think high dose vitamin C (or liposomal C) could help kidneys? Quoting: oscarsucks Some have recommended it for cytokine storms caused by virus. The way I understand it, it helps the body's immune system to be ready to launch a response, by way of heightened production of something called Interferon alpha/beta ( A cytokine ), so it probably prevents severe Interferon II flood ( the cytokine storm ), Interferon I that normally binds to neighboring cells and starts the exponential growth of the alarm of invasion, is prevented by 2019-nCov Interferon I binds to Lyphocyte Interferon II and this is when the immune system officially gets the chemical message cells are under attack ( Body's immune response gets the message from the cellular immune response, just two molecules binding ) ascorbic acid will increase lymphocyte production, but there still needs to be a messenger molecule from the infected cells.....and this virus stops them from putting it out 2019-nCov is actually a variable pH virus, and not dependent on specific pH like Influenza is ( Low pH needed to enter cells, this weakens cell membranes ), so varying blood pH with vitamin is likely not going to have an effect on the ability of the virus to gain entry to cells ( Influenza uses a different type of receptor ) so....vitamin C will at least help keep your immune system at the ready Thank you OP. Good research! Interleukin 10 and 6 control cytokine storm response. These are in turn controlled by lactobacillus and streptococcus bacteria (probiotics) in the gut. Provetella bacteria that this thing supposedly rises on (found in the large intestine) controls illiciting immune response and resulting in a cytokine storm..which is controlled by il 10 and 6. I dont doubt cell remnants clog up the kidneys and lungs. Most likely in phase 2 (relapse) the heart gets over loaded too which is why they die from a heart attack (phase 2 is not recorded as a death by coronavirus only phase 1). So keeping the body detoxed would be important. Cannabis is an interesting idea. I know that besides keifer most just about all probiotics have been sterilized. Governments really dont like anything that can keep you alive. Last Edited by Wind Tracker on 03/07/2020 01:39 PM Wind Tracker |