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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am a female. Member of Mensa and intertel. Which means I scored in the 98th and 99.9th percentile iq wise. So there are my papers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14931885 There is a high organization that can help you deal with high iq. Mensa. In its hey day they had lots of special interest groups and were a great support to me when I was raising high IQ kids. They had high iq psychologists. Kids with high iq need those as do parents. The psychology is very different. I found the writing in Mensa magazine fascinating and wish I had old copies. If you can find any you would learn a lot. Maybe Mensa put them all on a cd. That would be a pot of gold. Maybe there could be a high iq support group on line. Sounds like we need it. As far as dealing with regular people remember this line. Anyone can teach anyone else something. So yes your brain has a huge hard drive and a boat load of memory. You do process info at the speed of light. I’ll give you thst. However you are not omnipresent. Other eyes have also learned things. Maybe not as fast as you but they still have absorbed things you have not. My best advice to You is to seek out others with high iq. And when you find them worship them and wash their feet. They can be your true teachers. Life is too short to dance with dumb men or women. So please stop. It’s so painful to watch. I forgot about Mensa. I wonder if they keep all the invites they send or if I have to test again. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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User ID: 77416429 United States 03/17/2020 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And, yes, I expect a bunch of low IQ people to come in here all butt hurt and offended. After all, they're everywhere. You'll have to excuse me if I do not engage. I'm just too bored with that shit now. There are only so many times an adult can play peekaboo before they have to take a very long break. Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 03/17/2020 06:06 AM How bout a PIN instead...and this Ask Alice when she's 10ft tall This is a battle for the future of civilization. If free speech is lost even in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead. Elon Musk |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing really pissed me off when I was little. I had taught myself to read quite fluently by the time I was four. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78567484 By the age of five, when I started school, I realised I was well ahead of the other kids in that respect (except for one who was my friend and was smarter than me). We had to read out simple stuff (Dick and Dora) from our little readers, in turn around the class. I was so proud to get up and read it fluently for the teacher, but it seemed I did the wrong thing. Because I did it so well, I was never asked to read anything out again. Forced to inch along at the snail's pace of everyone else. I became so bored with school. Adults would laugh and make jokes about me swallowing a dictionary. Sometimes it feels like I live in a world inhabited by retards and unless I dumb myself down to their level, they resent me. Meh... but I got used to it. Now I just study people for my own entertainment. Anyway, I can see where you're coming from OP. But are you really entertained? Because once I've done the basic analysis and gotten what data I can from them, I pretty much want to pull my hair out if I spend much more time around them than that. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lol. It's a matter of having a wide lexicon, and being able to use it. Doing so gives you a broader range of options to describe... Well, anything. Much like knowing a second language, it's a matter of who understands it. If no-one does, you're forced not to use it, and it withers away. Hence the "dumbing yourself down". If that insults you... Might be something to look at Allow me to explain: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75727122 We who score 130 or above on IQ tests keep forgetting that long and complex sentences are incomprehensible to most other people, because they're perfectly comprehensible to us. ^^^^ These I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And, yes, I expect a bunch of low IQ people to come in here all butt hurt and offended. After all, they're everywhere. You'll have to excuse me if I do not engage. I'm just too bored with that shit now. There are only so many times an adult can play peekaboo before they have to take a very long break. Quoting: FeedYourHead Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 03/17/2020 06:06 AM How bout a PIN instead...and this I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78567484 Australia 03/17/2020 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing really pissed me off when I was little. I had taught myself to read quite fluently by the time I was four. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78567484 By the age of five, when I started school, I realised I was well ahead of the other kids in that respect (except for one who was my friend and was smarter than me). We had to read out simple stuff (Dick and Dora) from our little readers, in turn around the class. I was so proud to get up and read it fluently for the teacher, but it seemed I did the wrong thing. Because I did it so well, I was never asked to read anything out again. Forced to inch along at the snail's pace of everyone else. I became so bored with school. Adults would laugh and make jokes about me swallowing a dictionary. Sometimes it feels like I live in a world inhabited by retards and unless I dumb myself down to their level, they resent me. Meh... but I got used to it. Now I just study people for my own entertainment. Anyway, I can see where you're coming from OP. But are you really entertained? Because once I've done the basic analysis and gotten what data I can from them, I pretty much want to pull my hair out if I spend much more time around them than that. Heh, well yes I'm entertained in a certain way. Everyone's different. It's not so much about interacting with them... more just observation. I people watch and form theories about their psychological makeup. Stuff like that. Ego is a very interesting study, I find. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78128618 United States 03/17/2020 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are differing types of intelligence. E.g., I've heard people who, by their education and work, were extremely smart, say they most ludicrous things. And I've heard uneducated people with no special trade say simple but wise things. Some people are gifted in the conceptual world, some are gifted in the creative world, some are gifted in the social world, some are gifted in the "real world", etc. But few in any are gifted in all those "worlds". But to your point about Facebook and people as a whole today - I think some of it is that most people in the past had a good bit of common sense, because it was still necessary to have to survive and hope to thrive in a world where most things were not a given. Today, most people in the West are brought up in a world where survival (until maybe now) was assumed a given and the "struggle for life" was all about thriving, i.e., how much stuff could be collected. Those you referenced on Facebook are still locked into that mode of "thinking". |
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Bassfiddler User ID: 78121764 United States 03/17/2020 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are a high IQ, than you will realize that it is just as much of a curse as a blessing. Ever think about the statement "ignorance is bliss"? It was written by a brilliant person. Quoting: bassfiddler 78121764 If you have a high IQ you can.... 1. Do your own taxes 2. get really good at things easily 3. Always get the results you are looking for 4. Fix almost anything 5. Make a lot of money But I have also found that I don't experience as much joy as those without the high IQ. I have always viewed it as a curse. I, like you, can fit in. I can attempt "small talk". But it is just faking it. Not getting the joy most people get in it. Just going through the motions. For this reason, I found a wife that is the opposite of me. She is lovable, funny and happy almost all of the time. She has people swarm her just to be around her. She is hunny to all the bees. I am not. I was smart enough to find somebody like her to enhance my life, but I an NOT smart enough to be her. I don't have the ability to be sporadic, or make mistakes just to see where it will leave me. I over plan EVERYTHING to achieve the outcome I desire. I know no other way. And it has left me empty inside. I live through her. Being a musician, I look at us as Ricky and Lucy. And yes, I love Lucy. In our 25 year marriage, we have accomplished so much. Each of us using our God given talents to enhance the other. But if I could pick a role, I would be her. She is so much happier than I am. But we are a team, so I get to be around all the bees that come to be around her. That is the best I could do with this life. I wish I could be more, but I am just me. So if you are really as smart as you claim, you will see the double-sided sword that you have been given. Do the best with it you can. And never forget, Ignorance is a bliss. Learn how to deal with your constant depression. She sounds like hell I've done the popularity thing. At the end of the day, unless the conversation was good, it just wasn't fulfilling. I've been a leader. I thought I taught the flock something. But the second I left to go wander the country, they simply found the first persuasive person to follow and all of my teachings were undone. They hadn't actually learned anything. They had just been following me. Now, they were following someone else, and when that person left, they found someone else to follow. They could never be taught to be independent or thinkers. I don't want to lead permanent children. I want them to grow up and learn how to fly like the adults they appear to be. Wow, how old are you? First, she is my Heaven, not my Hell. Second, you go around creating a "flock" to teach? You think you have it all figured out? You know what everybody else should do with their lives? you should use that big brain of yours to look outside of yourself. Did you ever think what the world would be like if everybody was "high IQ"? It would be Hell on earth. A world full of "Spocks" would be boring and unfulfilling to me at the least. I find our differences beautiful and life enhancing. The last thing I want is people following me around trying to be like me. I want them to be them. To believe you have some form of superiority to others due to a gift that you didn't earn is just ridiculous. You may be intelligent, but you are not wise. One last point. If you use your "high IQ" as a weapon to those without it, you will find yourself in a very bad place. Trust me. |
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User ID: 1812489 United States 03/17/2020 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, I was scrolling through Facebook the other day looking at reactions to the virus (mostly "Oh no, my trip to the Canaries has been canceled. Can I rebook for two weeks from now?)... Quoting: TlvmmCpoft And I noticed that, from my perspective, only one in fifty people had a rational or intelligent reaction to information about the virus. That's when I remembered that only around one in fifty people have an IQ over 130 and realized I was essentially watching forty-nine dumb blondes run into a horror movie forest while the one guy stayed back at the cabin to rig the truck ignition and drive his ass out of the movie. Ordinarily, average people only slightly irritate me, but in a crisis they become painful to watch and interact with. I'm highly considering cutting off contact with them nearly entirely at this point to avoid the developing migraine. ..... As for my own IQ, I score around 130 on a bad day and too high to measure on a good day. I learned that it's more about social anxiety over performance than anything. Ordinary people have this unrealistic expectation of genius. They think we get everything right the first time and just instantly know all the answers. They don't realize that actual analysis is a process and that it often takes looking at all the data points, and not just one, to come to a conclusion. When I went in to test knowing that they were expecting that from me, I worried over each question and what it would mean to their perception if I got it wrong - and that slowed me down to 130. When I went into the test not giving a damn (yeah, I have those days too), I scored too high to accurately measure, i.e. I aced the IQ test. ...... It's led to an interesting life. On one hand, I had to start paring back my language by age eight because none of the other children (or many of the adults) could understand me. They complained that my words and sentence structure were too complex and long. I regret bending to them on that. I miss the language. It also meant I spent a lot of my life faking dumb to fit in. On the other hand, it granted me access to a lot, including Yale. I lived in their library stacks for years just absorbing everything I could. The think tanks were divine. I mean, genuinely divine. I loved those moments I had a chance to interact with other thinking people and I could actually see the cogs working in their minds instead of the usual series of roadblocks that most people have. ....... Which all brings me to this point. I may not have very many years left on this planet. Why am I spending it with idiots? It's difficult not to. After all, they're literally everywhere you turn, but I think this is the turning point in which I need to part the moronic seas instead of swimming in them. Thoughts? And, yes, I expect a bunch of low IQ people to come in here all butt hurt and offended. After all, they're everywhere. You'll have to excuse me if I do not engage. I'm just too bored with that shit now. There are only so many times an adult can play peekaboo before they have to take a very long break. Yeah, people are.... on a very wide bell curve when it comes to almost everything. What’s up with the bolded sentence? Everything okay? I've been coughing for seven and a half weeks in the middle of a red zone of our dear modern plague. If nothing else, we can assume I'm going to have some lung scarring. Oh my, I hope that’s not the case. While I can’t hope for smarter people, or even an increase in tolerance in them, I can hope that your health gets better. Be well. I’d miss you coming here if your health declined. *INTJ* If life is so short, why do we do so many things we don’t like and like so many things we don’t do? Who keeps leaving egg related karma?? Why? |
FeedYourHead
User ID: 77416429 United States 03/17/2020 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And, yes, I expect a bunch of low IQ people to come in here all butt hurt and offended. After all, they're everywhere. You'll have to excuse me if I do not engage. I'm just too bored with that shit now. There are only so many times an adult can play peekaboo before they have to take a very long break. Quoting: FeedYourHead Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 03/17/2020 06:06 AM How bout a PIN instead...and this Just quit complaining you OLD FART! As I watch so called "society" deteriorating on a daily basis I have become more convinced this is why God invented death! He knew we old farts could only take so much. Last Edited by FeedYourHead on 03/17/2020 09:22 AM Ask Alice when she's 10ft tall This is a battle for the future of civilization. If free speech is lost even in America, tyranny is all that lies ahead. Elon Musk |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77743250 United States 03/17/2020 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One last point. If you use your "high IQ" as a weapon to those without it, you will find yourself in a very bad place. Trust me. Quoting: Bassfiddler 78121764 But what if people want to run through the woods like wolves and you are a hare, if they want to fly like eagles and you are a swan, sun like reptiles when you are an otter... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78636485 United States 03/17/2020 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I envy you that time in the library. Quoting: Bodhi Sita Being brilliant is a gift. What you do with it is your gift to the world. READ ECCLESIASTES (ALL OF IT) Written by one of the wisest men who ever lived, King Solomon. Ecclesiastes 12 11 The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. 12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. |
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TlvmmCpoft
(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are a high IQ, than you will realize that it is just as much of a curse as a blessing. Ever think about the statement "ignorance is bliss"? It was written by a brilliant person. Quoting: bassfiddler 78121764 If you have a high IQ you can.... 1. Do your own taxes 2. get really good at things easily 3. Always get the results you are looking for 4. Fix almost anything 5. Make a lot of money But I have also found that I don't experience as much joy as those without the high IQ. I have always viewed it as a curse. I, like you, can fit in. I can attempt "small talk". But it is just faking it. Not getting the joy most people get in it. Just going through the motions. For this reason, I found a wife that is the opposite of me. She is lovable, funny and happy almost all of the time. She has people swarm her just to be around her. She is hunny to all the bees. I am not. I was smart enough to find somebody like her to enhance my life, but I an NOT smart enough to be her. I don't have the ability to be sporadic, or make mistakes just to see where it will leave me. I over plan EVERYTHING to achieve the outcome I desire. I know no other way. And it has left me empty inside. I live through her. Being a musician, I look at us as Ricky and Lucy. And yes, I love Lucy. In our 25 year marriage, we have accomplished so much. Each of us using our God given talents to enhance the other. But if I could pick a role, I would be her. She is so much happier than I am. But we are a team, so I get to be around all the bees that come to be around her. That is the best I could do with this life. I wish I could be more, but I am just me. So if you are really as smart as you claim, you will see the double-sided sword that you have been given. Do the best with it you can. And never forget, Ignorance is a bliss. Learn how to deal with your constant depression. She sounds like hell I've done the popularity thing. At the end of the day, unless the conversation was good, it just wasn't fulfilling. I've been a leader. I thought I taught the flock something. But the second I left to go wander the country, they simply found the first persuasive person to follow and all of my teachings were undone. They hadn't actually learned anything. They had just been following me. Now, they were following someone else, and when that person left, they found someone else to follow. They could never be taught to be independent or thinkers. I don't want to lead permanent children. I want them to grow up and learn how to fly like the adults they appear to be. Wow, how old are you? First, she is my Heaven, not my Hell. Second, you go around creating a "flock" to teach? You think you have it all figured out? You know what everybody else should do with their lives? you should use that big brain of yours to look outside of yourself. Did you ever think what the world would be like if everybody was "high IQ"? It would be Hell on earth. A world full of "Spocks" would be boring and unfulfilling to me at the least. I find our differences beautiful and life enhancing. The last thing I want is people following me around trying to be like me. I want them to be them. To believe you have some form of superiority to others due to a gift that you didn't earn is just ridiculous. You may be intelligent, but you are not wise. One last point. If you use your "high IQ" as a weapon to those without it, you will find yourself in a very bad place. Trust me. Guess I ruffled a few feathers of yours. I told the "flock" of a few hundred in a community not to use crack. They listened for years. When I left, they started using crack. Yep, I do believe I was intelligent enough to make that decision for them. And as I stated, I wish they had been wise enough to also make the decision for themselves, as I had originally thought they were. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
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User ID: 70630844 United States 03/17/2020 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP you brought back memories for me. I too remember dumbing down my language to as a kid for other kids and for adults too, faking dumb to fit in, explaining complicated plots for movies to adults especialy my mother and explaining assembly instructions for things she bought and needed to put together. Most everything in school was way too easy and pace far too slow. Last Edited by telling it straight on 03/17/2020 09:36 AM |
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(OP) User ID: 77347043 Poland 03/17/2020 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are differing types of intelligence. E.g., I've heard people who, by their education and work, were extremely smart, say they most ludicrous things. And I've heard uneducated people with no special trade say simple but wise things. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78128618 Some people are gifted in the conceptual world, some are gifted in the creative world, some are gifted in the social world, some are gifted in the "real world", etc. But few in any are gifted in all those "worlds". But to your point about Facebook and people as a whole today - I think some of it is that most people in the past had a good bit of common sense, because it was still necessary to have to survive and hope to thrive in a world where most things were not a given. Today, most people in the West are brought up in a world where survival (until maybe now) was assumed a given and the "struggle for life" was all about thriving, i.e., how much stuff could be collected. Those you referenced on Facebook are still locked into that mode of "thinking". Can you imagine a world in which Walmart is the only reasonable option for food? No hunting, no growing, no cooking, no trading, no foraging, nothing. Just Walmart. I can see how an easy life may have given people a limited perspective, and even less tools than that. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75158899 United States 03/17/2020 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Myself and my sibs all have IQs > 130 with mine personally being 159 as last measured just before college, which was a loooong time ago. It's certainly a mixed bag and looking at our lives in aggregate you make not think much of us. I'm the only one to have graduated from college for example. My mom put my much older sibs in excellerated programs, skipped them grades etc. But the end result were kids who got exposed to very adult type things way too early. Overall it did them way more harm than good. So she kept the information from my little sister and I. She didn't reveal to us until we were both out of the house. You can't imagine the huge relief because make no bones about it, I'm a wierd freaking dude. I've been painfully aware that something about me was very very different my entire whole life. My entire early school life, three or four times a year, I would be called out of class and tested. Sometimes the tests were given in the school and other times I was taken in a bus somewhere like a University. There were usually a few other kids in the room and they were always either "special ed" or "hard case" type kids who were often the ones getting in trouble and in the low-math/low-reading classes. I knew I wasn't dumb but this told me I was different somehow. The end result of that though, is I started hanging out with those kids. To me there wasn't much difference between the "normal" kids and the "dumb" kids anyway. I was used to always being the smartest person in the room by age 8 or so, hehe! And the so-called dumb kids were way more excepting of my being a wierd-o and they always had a lot more fun. I don't care about Mensa or any special clubs and I never advertise it because I don't have too. It's hard to hide. I'm super fortunate to work in a kick-ass field with other people who I can also just tell are themselves geniuses and probably faced similar things. It's not something you can fake. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74533487 United States 03/17/2020 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do believe experience makes us wiser, regardless of the brain we started out with. I disagree. I believe that experience adds to compassion and it is knowledge that adds to wisdom. Pain points to something that needs your attention. You could say that if someone continues to experience the same pain that it's because they never learn. They never get the message. (That pain is mental). edit: missed a word |